Capel to get 2 more years?
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GOOD??? Average at best. They have to replace 42ppg and 3 starters. Your looking at a team that might be just as good, a tad worse or a tad better than this years team. Allen isn't better than Garrett.
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I don't think the dropoff will be much for A&M, Baylor, OSU or Texas...
In the case of Baylor, they add in Miller, Franklin, Bello...If Acy comes back along with AJones...that's probably a better team. I think Dunn leaving is better than most think. Some guys are cancers even if they put up 20 ppg.
Texas has really good recruits coming in. They're going to the NCAA tourney again.
OSU has LaBryan Nash...I don't think they'll get much better, but I don't think they'll be much worse either.
A&M has a good coach and good continuity in their program right now. They'll still have a good nucleus of Loubeau, Roberson, Harris, Hibbert, Turner and they're bringing in two talented guards (Jgreen & Jbranch). I wouldn't expect too much of a drop.
In the case of Baylor, they add in Miller, Franklin, Bello...If Acy comes back along with AJones...that's probably a better team. I think Dunn leaving is better than most think. Some guys are cancers even if they put up 20 ppg.
Texas has really good recruits coming in. They're going to the NCAA tourney again.
OSU has LaBryan Nash...I don't think they'll get much better, but I don't think they'll be much worse either.
A&M has a good coach and good continuity in their program right now. They'll still have a good nucleus of Loubeau, Roberson, Harris, Hibbert, Turner and they're bringing in two talented guards (Jgreen & Jbranch). I wouldn't expect too much of a drop.
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Not to start an argument (again), but I never said ISU will be better, just good. Which to me means that they are in no way a team we need to mark down as a win. Allen is a really good player and I'd agree, he's not better than Diante. That said, now their offense will open up a little more and a lot more guys can get involved. That's why I (somewhat) dislike scoring Pgs. I'll always take a passing pg over a scoring pg...Royce White should come in and score 7-10 ppg, Babb is better than people think and Booker will be a force down low...all they need is someone to distribute the ball.
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A&M is a bad matchup for us, same with Texas. Both programs have a defensive system. We can't play defense to really hang around with those 2. Same with Kansas. We can probably beat OSU, Baylor, Tech, and Iowa State at least one time. If we split all of those and sweep one of those that's 5 games right there.
I think the best we can hope for against KSU is a split. They've created a home environment that it is hard for just about anyone. Same with Missouri. We can win in Norman won't win in Missouri
I don't see us beating Kansas, Texas, Texas A&M at all. If we win 1 out of these 6 that's a bonus to me.
The most we can win is probably 8. I would pick 6 right now, but it's still too early to tell. If we schedule easy enough out of conference we could win somewhere around 17 or 18 games which could get us an NIT bid.
I think the best we can hope for against KSU is a split. They've created a home environment that it is hard for just about anyone. Same with Missouri. We can win in Norman won't win in Missouri
I don't see us beating Kansas, Texas, Texas A&M at all. If we win 1 out of these 6 that's a bonus to me.
The most we can win is probably 8. I would pick 6 right now, but it's still too early to tell. If we schedule easy enough out of conference we could win somewhere around 17 or 18 games which could get us an NIT bid.
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Isn't Korie Lucious looking at ISU too?
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Yes.
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Yes he is. I don't know if he'll have to sit out though. If he plays, OU will lose both, IMO.
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ISU will be better next year, no question. Garrett has been a pretty average player for 4 years, he just gets a chance to shine more now because of a lack of talent. They have 3 D1 transfers becoming eligible, including a guy that will be the preseason newcomer of the year in Chris Allen. He was a key cog for a Final Four team, so his role should be much bigger at ISU.
PG: Tyrus Mcgee
-Averages 20.3 points, 6 rebounds, and 3.4 assists per game for Cowley CC in Kansas. Possibly the best 3pt shooter in juco basketball, and is 104-206 from the 3pt line this year (nearly 51%).
SG: Chris Allen
-Started 27 games and averaged 8.2 points to help the Spartans reach their second consecutive Final Four...led the team in 3-pointers made with 53, connecting on 39.8 percent of his shots from downtown...averaged 2.8 rebounds and was third on the team in assists with 73. played in 14 NCAA Tournament game in his career.
SF: Melvin Ejim
-Starting every game this year as a true freshman for ISU, averaging 11 points and 7 rebounds per game. Was Gatorade Player of the Year for his state in high school.
PF: Royce White
-Originally chose to play at Minnesota over offers from Arkansas, Illinois, Michigan State, USC and Wisconsin. ranked No. 19 and No. 2 small forward in the final Rivals.com ratings of 2009...Scout.com ranked him as the 10th-best power forward. named Mr. Basketball in the state of Minnesota in 2009.
C: Anthony Booker
-Named to the Missouri Valley’s All-Bench Team after averaging 6.4 points and 4.1 rebounds...led the team and ranked fifth in the MVC in blocks at 1.0 bpg...shot 48.4 percent from the field (77-159 FG)...started six games and recorded two double-doubles...had nine double-digit scoring outings...tallied 14 points and 11 boards vs. Bradley...recorded 13 points (5-7 FG) and seven boards vs. Illinois State.
And I am not mentioning Scott Christopherson, a great shooter off the bench and Chris Babb, who averaged 11 ppg at Penn State in Big 10 basketball.
That team is better at every position on the floor compared to OU next season, unless Cameron Clark comes back much better and Ejim doesnt get better at all. Of course, that could change if OU signs some better players this offseason.
I also think OU made a mistake not recruiting Tyrus Mcgee, who is an Oklahoma kid.
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If he was dismissed early enough I think he'll only have to sit out half the year.
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Looks like Iowa State is a Big 10 team. They could make the tourney next year. To me, on paper, they're better than OU, OSU, Tech and are closer to Baylor, KSU, KU, A&M, Texas, Mizz...will be fun to watch.
KSU will not make the NCAA's next season.
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OU better beat Tech twice next year. Tech is not good this year and loses Tairu, Singleterry, Roberson, Reese and Roberts. All of those guys have three letters and they are 5 of the top 6 guys in minutes (and 4 of 5 starters). The only returning guy that plays more than 20 minutes a game is Lewendowski.
A&M won't have a drop off..they should be at least as good as they are this year...maybe even better. They need to find someone to replace Holmes scoring. Maybe Hibbert can be that guy. But in the end...there not putting a team that will dominate this league
I totally disagree with your Baylor conclusion. Calling Dunn a cancer is ridiculous. They would have a worst record than us if they didn't have him. They don't have any guards on the team or that their bringing in that will match what Dunn brings to that team...especially since Dennis won't be back(not saying he was going to be near as good but he was at least an option). Miller won't replace what they are losing in Jones. Also lets not forget that Miller has torn his ACL and will have missed an entire season of bball. And Miller and Bello are not better than Dunn and Jones. Baylor will struggle worse than they are struggling now.
Agree with Texas, about going to the tournament...but they are def. losing Hamilton and Johnson is a senior. If Thompson leaves, They will have no post threats what so ever. And they have 1 great recruit and the others being decent recruits. And Since Kabongo is a guard, he's less of a threat b/c he will be splitting time with Joseph and Brown.
As for OSU...They lose 3 solid post for sure(Moses, Pilgrim and Johnson-b/c he's not coming now). They may lose a 4th in Williams. As for Nash...as good as he is, his production will not be better than what Moses was bringing in for them this year. And as of right now...With them looking like they are only going to have Shaw and Cobbins...I would bet anything that we will see Nash playing the 4 and even some 5 for the majority of his playing time next season. As for them not being worse..They definatly won't be any better and with their production this year...thats not a good sign.
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Why do you think that?
Their roster next year....
Guards...
McGruder - 11.2 ppg, 6 rpg (6'4)
Spradling - 6.2 ppg (6'3)
Russell - 4.6 ppg (6'4)
Myles - 2.2 ppg (6'1)
Peterson - 1.7 ppg (6'3)
Irving - 4.6 ppg (6'1)
Williams - 2.3 (talented but suffered concussions, medical redshirted) (6'5)
Rodriguez - incoming recruit (5'11)
total g points returning - 32.8
Forwards/Centers...
Samuels - 9 ppg, 5 rpg (6'7)
Southwell - 1.4 ppg (solid defender) (6'6)
Potuzak - (6'9)
Ojeleye - 2.0 ppg (6'6)
Henriquez-Roberts - (7'0) 3.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg
Gipson - Incoming recruit (6'7)
Diaz - incoming recruit (6'11)
total f/c points returning - 15.9
Total = 48.7 ppg....or 66% of their offense from this year (73.2 ppg)
I'm not touting KSU to be a NCAA team...just think they'll be better than expected. Martin will get this team close to 20 wins again, just watch.
Side note: Asprilla is going to Canisius, unsure about Judge.
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Anyone know what the word on Knight is? Is he a walking dead man?
I like how you guys think that you can replace a bunch of scorers from the season before, especially from a team that isn't that good and expect to be supreme...its unreal how unrealistic you guys are.
And I don't care what White was ranked...his production is all that matters.
I love how you think that they are better than us at every position...comical right there. But we will see...right now I can see them being better than TT and KST.
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Dunn being a cancer was meant in this respect...His attitude rubs off on his team from a personality standpoint. Baylor was expected to contend this year but instead has looked like a thuggish reflective of their leaders, Drew/Dunn.
You actually like KSU next year? I mean really? NO PULLEN, NO KELLY, NO JUDGE. NO CHANCE!!!!!
We'll find out how good Mcgruder really is w/o Pullen taking the pressure off of him.
