Capel to get 2 more years?

[thebigabd]

I like how you guys think that you can replace a bunch of scorers from the season before, especially from a team that isn't that good and expect to be supreme...its unreal how unrealistic you guys are.

And I don't care what White was ranked...his production is all that matters.

I love how you think that they are better than us at every position...comical right there. But we will see...right now I can see them being better than TT and KST.

It helps that the players being mentioned arent true freshman...

-ISU is adding a 9ppg scorer, leading assist guy, leading 3pt guy from a team that went to two consecutive final fours. You cant even place value on a guy like that, with that kind of experience.
-Babb averaged 11 ppg at Penn State in the Big 10.
-Booker spent 2 years at Southern Illinois.
-Royce White is a year or two removed from high school, and a very highly ranked player.
-Mcgee is probably the best 3pt shooter in juco basketball, and a pretty good athlete as well. He will be a junior.

At what position, and be honest, will OU be better than ISU on paper heading into next season?

 

[bgrch1350]

Dunn being a cancer was meant in this respect...His attitude rubs off on his team from a personality standpoint. Baylor was expected to contend this year but instead has looked like a thuggish reflective of their leaders, Drew/Dunn.

Baylor on paper should contend every year...but instead they don't. They were lucky last year b/c they brought in Udoh who turned out to be a beast. They are struggling b/c they don't have Tweety Carter. And they won't have him next year. And A. Jones is worthless...The kid is 6'9 and is afraid of contact. They will have no bench just like this year.

 

[Sam]

OSU is gonna sign 3-4 more players, and have 2 guys coming off redshirt. We need to see who they sign first before writing them off.

Who are the Pokes going to get rid to get those 3-4 others? With Nash coming in they only have one of open ship as Moses and Pilgrim are there only two SRs (since the Dork is off ship)?

 

[StoopsBros]

You actually like KSU next year? I mean really? NO PULLEN, NO KELLY, NO JUDGE. NO CHANCE!!!!!

We'll find out how good Mcgruder really is w/o Pullen taking the pressure off of him.

Samuels will improve his game as will Spradling & McGruder. I can easily see those three improve their averages by 3-4 ppg each. Southwell is getting better and is an adequate defender, Hen-Roberts is 7'0 and just produced 9 and 6 against Mizzou (who on OU's team will stop him from getting 12-15 and 9?), Russell is a big-bodied guard, Irving/Williams are both talented....

Suffice to say, KSU is above average and yes I like their roster better than OU's. Go ahead and say, "well cheer for KSU then"...Martin is a better coach than Capel and has recruited a lot better. Don't sleep on those hispanic kids coming in...they can play

 

[bgrch1350]

OSU is gonna sign 3-4 more players, and have 2 guys coming off redshirt. We need to see who they sign first before writing them off.

You've apparently written us off

 

[Section31]

You've apparently written us off

Ding, ding, ding, ding!!!!!!

 

[StoopsBros]

Baylor on paper should contend every year...but instead they don't. They were lucky last year b/c they brought in Udoh who turned out to be a beast. They are struggling b/c they don't have Tweety Carter. And they won't have him next year. And A. Jones is worthless...The kid is 6'9 and is afraid of contact. They will have no bench just like this year.

Franklin can play and will start (probably a 10 ppg guy), Heslip will be a spot shooter, Jones will improve his average to probably 11 ppg (not saying he's all that good), Walton sucks but may get better, Cory Jefferson is really talented, Morgan is a big body, Love will get better, Ellis plays his role, Acy (if he returns) will bang and will give you 12-15 ppg, there's a 7-footer on the roster, Miller is going to give you 15 ppg and Bello is going to be Dunn Jr. (although not 20 ppg yet.)....

I don't see the difference really. BUT of course, I think Dunn is the PROBLEM.

 

[bgrch1350]

It helps that the players being mentioned arent true freshman...

-ISU is adding a 9ppg scorer, leading assist guy, leading 3pt guy from a team that went to two consecutive final fours. You cant even place value on a guy like that, with that kind of experience.
-Babb averaged 11 ppg at Penn State in the Big 10.
-Booker spent 2 years at Southern Illinois.
-Royce White is a year or two removed from high school, and a very highly ranked player.
-Mcgee is probably the best 3pt shooter in juco basketball, and a pretty good athlete as well. He will be a junior.

At what position, and be honest, will OU be better than ISU on paper heading into next season?

I will take Pledger, Clark, and Fitz for sure in my starting lineup over Allen at the 2, Ejim at the 3 and take your pick in the post. They might be better rebounders than Fitz, but they won't be better scorers. And Fitz has proven that he can score in many ways against good defenders. And Thats w/o knowing what White, Mcgee, Goff, Babb, Osby and Booker truly bring to the table. B/c I know all about the guys that we have coming back besides Osby...and I know all about what they have and Allen. I've watch MSU all the time.

 

[StoopsBros]

I will take Pledger, Clark, and Fitz for sure in my starting lineup over Allen at the 2, Ejim at the 3 and take your pick in the post. They might be better rebounders than Fitz, but they won't be better scorers. And Fitz has proven that he can score in many ways against good defenders. And Thats w/o knowing what White, Mcgee, Goff, Babb, Osby and Booker truly bring to the table. B/c I know all about the guys that we have coming back besides Osby...and I know all about what they have and Allen. I've watch MSU all the time.

No way.
Allen>Pledger and it isn't close
Ejim=Clark...if Clark tries harder
White/Booker>Fitz...Fitz may give you some points but he's a huge liability on defense and rebounding.

 

[Sam]

It helps that the players being mentioned arent true freshman...

-ISU is adding a 9ppg scorer, leading assist guy, leading 3pt guy from a team that went to two consecutive final fours. You cant even place value on a guy like that, with that kind of experience.
-Babb averaged 11 ppg at Penn State in the Big 10.
-Booker spent 2 years at Southern Illinois.
-Royce White is a year or two removed from high school, and a very highly ranked player.
-Mcgee is probably the best 3pt shooter in juco basketball, and a pretty good athlete as well. He will be a junior.

At what position, and be honest, will OU be better than ISU on paper heading into next season?

Didn't you use the same argument last season?
Lets look at this.

- OU has a guy coming back who averaged 9 points a game as a freshman and shot 37% from 3
- Romero Osby is three years removed from high school and was a top 40 guy!
- OU has a post player who scored 14 a game as a sophomore in the Big 12!
- A returning point guard with 4.5 assists per game!
- Former Oklahoma Player of the year with a career high of 16 points!
- A 35% shooter from 3 point shooting guard who also averaged 11 points as a Sophomore with a career high of 38!

The big reason the numbers on the ISU list look impressive is because the majority of us have not watched those players and know their strengths and weaknesses. If some ISU fan made the argument for OU to be a tournament team on their board based only on those stats I think some would buy into it. As on paper OU looks to be a young and promising team when put into a vacuum with just stats and accolades. Similar to ISU and all their newcomers.

 

[bgrch1350]

Samuels will improve his game as will Spradling & McGruder. I can easily see those three improve their averages by 3-4 ppg each. Southwell is getting better and is an adequate defender, Hen-Roberts is 7'0 and just produced 9 and 6 against Mizzou (who on OU's team will stop him from getting 12-15 and 9?), Russell is a big-bodied guard, Irving/Williams are both talented....

Suffice to say, KSU is above average and yes I like their roster better than OU's. Go ahead and say, "well cheer for KSU then"...Martin is a better coach than Capel and has recruited a lot better. Don't sleep on those hispanic kids coming in...they can play

Theres always a possibility they can be good...but your expecting those guys to be better than this year...And no one will be better than Kelly or Pullen. And H-R...1 game isn't going to change my mind about him...he's going to have to prove it. And what if Martin starts sitting his players again next year....no way they can recoup from that.

 

[StoopsBros]

Theres always a possibility they can be good...but your expecting those guys to be better than this year...And no one will be better than Kelly or Pullen. And H-R...1 game isn't going to change my mind about him...he's going to have to prove it. And what if Martin starts sitting his players again next year....no way they can recoup from that.

I agree on that Martin part at the end. Maybe he learned some lessons from sort of underachieving this year.

I don't think the 'Cats are necessarily a tourney team, I just wouldn't be surprised if they are. They play defense first and offense second so losing Pullen may not hurt them so much. Kelly/Judge are probably the biggest losses in my eyes. So if they can find capable (which I think they will) posts, they'll contend for 3-6th in the Big 12. The same as usual.

 

[bgrch1350]

Franklin can play and will start (probably a 10 ppg guy), Heslip will be a spot shooter, Jones will improve his average to probably 11 ppg (not saying he's all that good), Walton sucks but may get better, Cory Jefferson is really talented, Morgan is a big body, Love will get better, Ellis plays his role, Acy (if he returns) will bang and will give you 12-15 ppg, there's a 7-footer on the roster, Miller is going to give you 15 ppg and Bello is going to be Dunn Jr. (although not 20 ppg yet.)....

I don't see the difference really. BUT of course, I think Dunn is the PROBLEM.

If it meant the world to have a 7 footer on the roster, than every top program would have several of them....but it doesn't.
Morgan sucks. he takes up space but nothing to brag about.
Franklin seems more like a cancer...the kid loses his starting spot and then he transfers.
Jefferson will have to prove that he's good before I start saying he's talented.

 

[bgrch1350]

Ding, ding, ding, ding!!!!!!

Thats why I don't take you serious.

 

[StoopsBros]

If it meant the world to have a 7 footer on the roster, than every top program would have several of them....but it doesn't.
Morgan sucks. he takes up space but nothing to brag about.
Franklin seems more like a cancer...the kid loses his starting spot and then he transfers.
Jefferson will have to prove that he's good before I start saying he's talented.

Okay I can concede that we view things differently. That's fine. I've never liked Dunn and if I were a Baylor fan, I'd be happy.

7'0...I know not at all of those guys are impact players but it's better than not having any, see: OU. As bad as Morgan sucks, how much of an impact would he make on OUr team? 5-7 ppg, 5-7 rpg in 10-20 mpg? I think OU wins 2-5 more games with a 7-footer like him that is at least serviceable. I'm not talking about a guy like OAllen, that dude sucked (sorry for being negative). Sometimes "taking up space" is all you need. If the opponents can't drive, they take a multitude of bad shots. I like that alternative over letting guys drive/post at will, see: Morris twins.

I don't know the story on Franklin's departure so I won't pretend to. Talent-wise, I remember him as a HS prospect. He was really good. He averaged 9 or so ppg as a true frosh at Cal...on the court, his skills should translate to 10-12 ppg for Baylor next year...

Baylor just needs a PG that can pass without turnovers and they'll be set.

Jefferson, I agree, wait and see approach.

 

[DenverSooner]

OSU is gonna sign 3-4 more players, and have 2 guys coming off redshirt. We need to see who they sign first before writing them off.

Yes but would you rather have OU or OSU's lineup knowing what you know today? I would have to take OU's lineup.

 

[bgrch1350]

Yes but would you rather have OU or OSU's lineup knowing what you know today? I would have to take OU's lineup.

Agree.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Didn't you use the same argument last season?
Lets look at this.

- OU has a guy coming back who averaged 9 points a game as a freshman and shot 37% from 3
- Romero Osby is three years removed from high school and was a top 40 guy!
- OU has a post player who scored 14 a game as a sophomore in the Big 12!
- A returning point guard with 4.5 assists per game!
- Former Oklahoma Player of the year with a career high of 16 points!
- A 35% shooter from 3 point shooting guard who also averaged 11 points as a Sophomore with a career high of 38!

The big reason the numbers on the ISU list look impressive is because the majority of us have not watched those players and know their strengths and weaknesses. If some ISU fan made the argument for OU to be a tournament team on their board based only on those stats I think some would buy into it. As on paper OU looks to be a young and promising team when put into a vacuum with just stats and accolades. Similar to ISU and all their newcomers.

Probably a little out of date, but I'm new to the internets. But somebody just got pwned. Tech was supposed to be good, Nope. State was supposed to be good, Nope. Same old same old. The fact is that OU is going to have 3-4 Jr./Sr. post players instead of basically two right now. That will help.

 

[Section31]

Thats why I don't take you serious.

WHAT??? I was agreeing with YOU!!!!

 

[Mr.B!!!]

WHAT??? I was agreeing with YOU!!!!

It's just gotten confusing. Everyone says the team is going to completely suck becuase we have no talent, then they are "somewhat" right and then blame the coach. Then you throw in how great Baylor, oSu and Tech were supposed to be based on their talent, but not producing and it gets even more confusing.

I tried to make it simple above, Capel is likely getting at least next year and nobody here has any say in it, but its the internet's man, no making any sense. If any fan base should be pissed, it should be Baylor, TT or oSu's...talk about a crappy job of coaching or character evaluation.