Capel's future = recruiting success this spring

[StatGeek]

Blake is great, but he is no where near as great as he is right now in the NBA. You also need to remember that he wasn't 1 of the top 25 players in the country his freshman year. That 1 in a lifetime player wasn't even top 15 in his own class and he was borderline top 10 after his freshman year.

I've give Capel a lot of credit for the progress that Blake made from year 1 to year 2. I've seen players make great improvement in the 5 years hes been here.

And Blake was great his sophmore year...but no better than Hansbrough, Noah, and horford was before him. Remember, blake is 2 years removed from OU. He's gone thru 2 more offseason training.

this was too egregious to let slide

Hansborough (So) 18.4ppg 7.9reb 1.2ast .525fg%
Noah (So) 14.4 ppg 7.1 reb 2.1ast .627fg%
Horford (So) 11.3ppg 7.6reb 2.0ast .608fg%

Griffin (So) 22.7ppg 14.4reb 2.3ast .646fg%

And only one of these players left college after their Sophmore season and that player is the only one who went #1 overall in the draft, which took place immediately after his OU career ended, not 2 years later. Your argument lacks merit get a new one.

 

[StoopsBros]

Wait, are we filling out a NBA roster or a college roster? I just thought the question was implying, would you take Tyler's 4 year production versus Blake's 2 year production. I don't think anyone is arguing Blake vs Tyler in overall talent. That's a win for Blake. Tyler accomplished more in a collegiate uni.

 

[bgrch1350]

this was too egregious to let slide

Hansborough (So) 18.4ppg 7.9reb 1.2ast .525fg%
Noah (So) 14.4 ppg 7.1 reb 2.1ast .627fg%
Horford (So) 11.3ppg 7.6reb 2.0ast .608fg%

Griffin (So) 22.7ppg 14.4reb 2.3ast .646fg%

And only one of these players left college after their Sophmore season and that player is the only one who went #1 overall in the draft, which took place immediately after his OU career ended, not 2 years later.

I like stats too...hansbrough fr(18.9ppg and 7.8rpg) Blake 14.7ppg and 9.1rpg
Your comparing hansbrough who also had thompson and Davis on that squad and 3 other solid guards that scored as well. Same thing for Noah and Horford...They could have averaged more if they didn't have a squad taking away points from each other.

So throw your stats out the window.

 

[Big Old Booger]

This just isn't accurate. Blake was great from day 1. Go back and watch the A&M game or several others from his freshman season. Blake was doing exactly what he is doing in the NBA. He was physically dominating his opponents. Sure he has gotten better but the kid was great from the start.

He was also a top 10 after his freshman season. He was a lotter pick and he would have gone higher than the fools calling games project because the NBA drafts on potential. The don't care what Hansborough has done in college because they know that is all he will ever do.

I agree. Blake really started getting his groove in January of his frosh year right before he suffered the injury. He had just scored 28 or so on KSU and Beasley and outrebounded him in an epic game at the LNC of 2 gladiators going at it.

I remember he hurt his knee early in the KU game and Bill Self said after the game that his team was upset they didn't get to play against Blake because of his talent.

I also remember him playing at Waco on basically one leg and still owned Baylor that day.

 

[bgrch1350]

this was too egregious to let slide

Hansborough (So) 18.4ppg 7.9reb 1.2ast .525fg%
Noah (So) 14.4 ppg 7.1 reb 2.1ast .627fg%
Horford (So) 11.3ppg 7.6reb 2.0ast .608fg%

Griffin (So) 22.7ppg 14.4reb 2.3ast .646fg%

And only one of these players left college after their Sophmore season and that player is the only one who went #1 overall in the draft, which took place immediately after his OU career ended, not 2 years later. Your argument lacks merit get a new one.

I'm not trying to take away what Blake did by any means; but your comparing Blake stats where he only had 1 guy average over 10ppg to other guys that had 4 to 5 guys average over 10ppg

 

[StatGeek]

I like stats too...hansbrough fr(18.9ppg and 7.8rpg) Blake 14.7ppg and 9.1rpg
Your comparing hansbrough who also had thompson and Davis on that squad and 3 other solid guards that scored as well. Same thing for Noah and Horford...They could have averaged more if they didn't have a squad taking away points from each other.

So throw your stats out the window.

You said Griffin was no better than these players during their sophmore seasons. I corrected you. Stats aside which of these players were consensus national player of the year after their sophomore season? If these players were as good why didnt they get drafted as high? Again stats aside.

And Since you like stats too.....here's a serving just for you:

Noah (FR) 3.5ppg 2.5reb
Horford (FR) 5.6ppg 6.5 reb

was your post asinine?

 

[colston15]

I would say he was one year older not light years better. The guy was great from day one. He averaged 14 ppg and 9 boards as a true freshman. He was incredible his freshman year.

He averaged 22 and 14 his sopohomore. You're nuts if you think the two years were close to the same.

 

[trueou]

Just as a further statement, I would say that if not for Blake's concussion at UT we would have played for the National Championship his sophomore year. Losing to Texas and Kansas that year kept us from being a 1 seed and caused us to get NC in the Elite Eight game.

 

[chewy75]

If Capel signs the PG from CA and the monster juco post player plus another guy that could help tomorrow he might just save his job for another year. Again last night it was clear we don't have the roster to compete under Capel. The two guys sitting out are not enough to make us competitive. This team doesn't understand its important to play defense all 40 minutes.

Samspon would make this team a winner but Capel needs superior talent, at the very least equal talent to be competitive.

Then again Capel's track record suggests he is in over his head at OU. His roster lacks talent, his team doesn't seem to have a clue on offense and the team lacks defensive want to. A team takes on the personality of the coach. Capel's never had to fight against superior talent to win as a player or coach until he stepped on the court at OU.

recruiting will decide 100% what happens

 

[Big Old Booger]

I'm not trying to take away what Blake did by any means; but your comparing Blake stats where he only had 1 guy average over 10ppg to other guys that had 4 to 5 guys average over 10ppg

This is a good point. Blake had to score for us to have a chance that year as evidenced by our performance when he wasn't 100%, or out.

 

[StatGeek]

This is a good point. Blake had to score for us to have a chance that year as evidenced by our performance when he wasn't 100%, or out.

Your also talking about different systems and different styles. Do you honestly think Blake's numbers would have been worse than Hansborough's? BG took 1.33 more FGA's per game. When accounting for his .646fg% this would have dropped his PPG to 21.0ppg.

With that said you have to think BG would have benefited from having more talent around him to help shift the opposing teams focus and I guarantee Ty Lawson would have set BG up for many highlight reel dunks. Plus BG definitely runs the floor better than TH, and in that offense that translates to more scoring opportunities.

Plus I am pretty sure WWIII avg about 15ppg, so the OU only had one scorer argument is factually wrong.

More scorers argument is a failure.

 

[Section31]

Yea, the TH v. BG straight up argument is not a great one.

If you watched them play head to head, it looked like a man playing with a child out there. Forget the stats, just watch the game action. Blake looked as though he could've literally destroyed TH at any time. Fouls and surrounding talent kept that from happening. TH had LITTLE to do with BG not completely going off in that game.

With that said, I'd take a 4-yr TH ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, on ANY Sooner team past or present. Dude could ball and there's no shame in being dominated "by THE great athlete"...

 

[buttermaker1]

Its not like he was able to keep Reynolds and/or James. So what he did before Blake was get Sampson's crappy leftovers to 500 record. He managed to do that w/ Nate Carter.

You are either on Capel's payroll, family or really a OSU fan. No sane person without an agenda can possibily make some of arguments you make defending Capel's lack of success. Three of Capel's five years have been more than a road bump. They are an embarrassment to OU's success since 1977.

 

[Big Old Booger]

You are either on Capel's payroll, family or really a OSU fan. No sane person without an agenda can possibily make some of arguments you make defending Capel's lack of success. Three of Capel's five years have been more than a road bump. They are an embarrassment to OU's success since 1977.

You should go and read the last few pages of the game thread from last night. One of his arguments was so bad it's not even funny. He admitted he would rather have 2 consecutive losing seasons after an elite 8 appearance than to have 3 consecutive NCAA tournament appearances.

His reasoning was so that when he fills out his brackets in march he can pencil in the sooners for the elite 8 or final 4 once in a while instead of always thinking we will lose in the 1st or 2nd round.

 

[Section31]

You are either on Capel's payroll, family or really a OSU fan. No sane person without an agenda can possibily make some of arguments you make defending Capel's lack of success. Three of Capel's five years have been more than a road bump. They are an embarrassment to OU's success since 1977.

The only season, IMO, that has been inexplicable was last year. Now, the first year and this year are disappointing, but there have been some circumstances, much of Capel's own doing; some not, that attributed to those teams' success. No need to rehash what all he's responsible for and not as we've been thru this time and time again. Some of us will agree on where the fault lies on each "event" and some us won't.

 

[WaymanFan]

I disagree with buttermaker a lot, but not on the premise of this thread. If Coach Capel does not have a good spring with recruiting, then OU will likely experience only modest improvement over next year. That means it will be his last season at OU. He needs Guerrero and Jurick, or comparable players (if there are any at this point) for OU to at least get on the NCAA bubble next season.