Congrats to Travis Ford and OSU

Stout,

Be sure to vote in the massive fire Ford poll over on OP.com. Pull the log out of your own eye before you come on here complaining about the speck in ours.

Hope Ford gets canned so Marcus Smart never makes it on your campus. That would be sweet justice for the dirty recruiting tactics of Butch and the boys in orange.

BTW, Santa Clara says to tell New Mexico hello. They destroyed them earlier this year. And I can't be sure, but, I think we mauled Santa Clara....
 
Oral Roberts beat this mighty Missouri St. team he's bragging about.

Also, he needs to get off this rpi or strength of schedule kick. It is way too early to be putting any stock in those numbers, haven't been enough games played, not enough data yet.
 
Oral Roberts beat this mighty Missouri St. team he's bragging about.

Also, he needs to get off this rpi or strength of schedule kick. It is way too early to be putting any stock in those numbers, haven't been enough games played, not enough data yet.

ORU just beat Xavier...
 
And UTSA beat ORU, so logically, OSU is the best team.
 
Stout,
BTW, Santa Clara says to tell New Mexico hello. They destroyed them earlier this year. And I can't be sure, but, I think we mauled Santa Clara....

....Santa Clara won in OT. You're better than that Big Time.
 
You know OSU is struggling when their fans have to resort to bragging about a win over Missouri State.

LOL.

I'm still waiting to see a competent OSU squad show up this season. Wasn't this supposed to be Ford's "most talented team"? He's proving once again that he's a mediocre coach.
 
Get your dogs off the porch and play somebody fella. I didn't know OU would stoop to the OSU approach to pre-conference scheduling.

FIFY

I was going to insert "Mike Gundy" but Les Miles did the same thing, and I'm sure Bob Simmons and whoever preceded him did too.
 
Heard from someone at the game that Cezar Salad threw a towell at an OSU assistant coach at one point in the second half.

I saw him throw a towel and stomp off on TV but you couldn't see where he threw the towel nor where he stomped off to. LOL!
 
Folks in Albuquerque are quite pleased tonight, but they know they didn't beat an elite Big 12 team either. Been listening to the post-game call-in show on the Lobo flagship.

I'm also curious about the Ag-lovers in the OKC media are taking it that they got beat by double-digits by a school that I doubt they can differentiate with the one 225 miles south in Las Cruces (NMSU). Someone might have to talk their various columnists off a ledge in Bricktown or something.

There was nothing negative about the cowgirls in the daily disappointment today. What else is new???
 
My prediction is that Ford will last a few years only because osu can't afford to let him go this soon and that osu doesn't care about basketball anymore since they are a 'football power' now!!!

:ez-roll::ez-roll::ez-roll:

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FIFY

I was going to insert "Mike Gundy" but Les Miles did the same thing, and I'm sure Bob Simmons and whoever preceded him did too.

Starting with Gundy's 3rd season his non-con schedules have been:

@ Georgia (11-2)
Florida Atlantic (8-5)
@ Troy (8-4)
Sam Houston State

Washington State (2-11)
Houston (8-5)
Missouri State
Troy (8-5)

Georgia (8-5)
Houston (10-4)
Rice (2-10)
Grambling State

Washington State (2-10)
Troy (8-5)
Tulsa (10-3)
@ ULL (3-9)

ULL (9-4)
Arizona (4-8)
@ Tulsa (8-4)


How is that easy non-conference scheduling? I'm not saying it is a murderer's row, by any means, but it surely isn't the hyperbole you like to say over and over.
 
OU was do to play new Mexico. But they lost to the Santa Clara team we drilled the ext day
 
Starting with Gundy's 3rd season his non-con schedules have been:

@ Georgia (11-2)
Florida Atlantic (8-5)
@ Troy (8-4)
Sam Houston State

Washington State (2-11)
Houston (8-5)
Missouri State
Troy (8-5)

Georgia (8-5)
Houston (10-4)
Rice (2-10)
Grambling State

Washington State (2-10)
Troy (8-5)
Tulsa (10-3)
@ ULL (3-9)

ULL (9-4)
Arizona (4-8)
@ Tulsa (8-4)


How is that easy non-conference scheduling? I'm not saying it is a murderer's row, by any means, but it surely isn't the hyperbole you like to say over and over.

The only big time program they scheduled since 2007 has been Georgia (which they do deserve credit for scheduling the Dawgs). And a few of those mid major programs surpassed expectations going into those respective seasons (i.e. Houston, ULL, etc.) I don't think it's unfair to view those lineups as "easy" non-conference scheduling at the time the schedules were established, sans Georgia.
 
It is easy for me to admit that Kreuger has OU playing much better than OSU as a team. All you have to do is watch them. OSU has more talent and better depth than OU. The question is whether or not Ford can get them to play. The bottom line is this. Travis Ford should have his type of players in place however Lon on the other hand is just getting started. As an OSU fan I am very concerned about the future because I know Lon Kreuger can coach and he will recruit well to OU. Ford on the other hand seems to be able to recruit but his coaching ability seems to be in question. I personally will take the coach over the recruiter always.
 
The only big time program they scheduled since 2007 has been Georgia (which they do deserve credit for scheduling the Dawgs). And a few of those mid major programs surpassed expectations going into those respective seasons (i.e. Houston, ULL, etc.) I don't think it's unfair to view those lineups as "easy" non-conference scheduling at the time the schedules were established, sans Georgia.

Washington State just happened to be having the worst span in their entire history. They had been to the Rose Bowl 5 years earlier. Mike Stoops had it finally looking like he was getting Arizona going, then they collapsed. Troy consistently wins their conference. How early do BCS non-con games get scheduled in advance? Seems pretty far, in most cases. I'm sure OU didn't schedule Miami (FL) planning on them being Randy Shannon's misfits, or to get to play 0-12 Washington, But, if that's your argument, scheduling BCS schools, planning them to be an easy win, does that mean Stoops scheduled them planning on easy wins, which they were (sans @Miami, without Bradford)?

In fact, OSU has played 5 non-con games against BCS schools the last 5 years, one each year. I'm not willing to do the research past the Big XII, but here are the teams that have not done the same:

Kansas (plus a year when Duke was their non-con BCS opponent)
Kansas State
Baylor
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Iowa State and Missouri aren't on the list, but the only BCS non-con games they've played have been vs Iowa (for ISU) and vs Illinois (for MU).

So, that's half of the Big XII, and I'd assume that most other BCS conferences would have about the same ratio. Heck, OU played 7 non-con BCS games the last 5 years, three were against jokes: (a previously mentioned) 0-12 Washington, a non-bowl Miami and a horrible Cincinnati team. Besides that, the only games worth mentioning (besides Tulsa, I suppose, but OSU played them several times as well) were a game each against BYU, TCU and Air Force, the latter two in Norman. With TCU being the one exceptional opponent. BYU and Air Force compare pretty well to Houston and Troy.

So, I don't see how OU's non-con football schedule is incredibly different than OSU's.

So is OSU's non-conference scheduling easy, relative to others? Or to skyvue's own personal standard of 'easiness'?
 
Jurick may not be a great offensive player but he has zero points b/c Ford doesn't want him doing anything on the offensive end except put-backs.

As often as they miss he should be averaging a double-double then!
 
Washington State just happened to be having the worst span in their entire history. They had been to the Rose Bowl 5 years earlier. Mike Stoops had it finally looking like he was getting Arizona going, then they collapsed. Troy consistently wins their conference.

Fair enough on Mike Stoops, though I think "getting Arizona going" is up to semantics, considering the fact that their apex under his tenure (the last few seasons) was still seen swimming in mediocrity.

As for Washington State, come on. They had a solid run with Price for a couple years, but was that when OSU scheduled them? Or did OSU schedule them when they were absolutely pathetic for a few years, past their 2003 season? WSU has hardly ever been relevant in college football, at least when measuring their performances over the last 50 years. And I think you may be grasping for straws when referencing Troy's propensity for winning the Sun Belt Conference as an integral part of a debate.


How early do BCS non-con games get scheduled in advance? Seems pretty far, in most cases. I'm sure OU didn't schedule Miami (FL) planning on them being Randy Shannon's misfits, or to get to play 0-12 Washington, But, if that's your argument, scheduling BCS schools, planning them to be an easy win, does that mean Stoops scheduled them planning on easy wins, which they were (sans @Miami, without Bradford)?

Advanced scheduling varies. Some are only after a year, some aren't set to take place for almost 10 years. And your presumption is correct, OU scheduled Miami in the early 2000's (when they were arguably the alpha dog of college football) I believe, not planning on that program struggling a few years down the road.

In fact, OSU has played 5 non-con games against BCS schools the last 5 years, one each year. I'm not willing to do the research past the Big XII, but here are the teams that have not done the same:

Kansas (plus a year when Duke was their non-con BCS opponent)
Kansas State
Baylor
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Iowa State and Missouri aren't on the list, but the only BCS non-con games they've played have been vs Iowa (for ISU) and vs Illinois (for MU).

So, that's half of the Big XII, and I'd assume that most other BCS conferences would have about the same ratio.

That's a fair point, though as previously noted, Washington State (one of your 5 BCS teams) has been regarded as one of the most abhorrent BCS programs for quite some time.

Heck, OU played 7 non-con BCS games the last 5 years, three were against jokes: (a previously mentioned) 0-12 Washington, a non-bowl Miami and a horrible Cincinnati team. Besides that, the only games worth mentioning (besides Tulsa, I suppose, but OSU played them several times as well) were a game each against BYU, TCU and Air Force, the latter two in Norman.

How come Cincinatti in 2008 (#17 in the final polls), at Miami in 2009 (#19 in the final polls) FSU in 2010 (16th/17th), and at FSU this season (currently #25 in the USA Today poll) aren't worth mentioning?

With TCU being the one exceptional opponent. BYU and Air Force compare pretty well to Houston and Troy.

No, Houston and Troy (the years OSU played them) do not compare to 2009 BYU; the Cougars finished right outside the Top 10 in the polls with an 11-2 record. Neither Houston nor Troy were ranked at the end of the season, period.

So, I don't see how OU's non-con football schedule is incredibly different than OSU's.

It's incredibly different, because OU's non-conference schedule has been much more difficult. The past stats I displayed prove that.

Not only has OU's non-conferece schedules been stronger since 2007, but OU has scheduled these teams when they were playing great football more often than not. That's always been that way in the Stoops era.

So is OSU's non-conference scheduling easy, relative to others? Or to skyvue's own personal standard of 'easiness'?

From an outsider's glance, I viewed OSU's non-conference scheduling to be easy "per se". But that stat you gave juxtaposed to other Big 12 teams does bring a valid argument that OSU's schedule isn't really easy (compared to others)... I'll give you that. Nevertheless, there is no comparison between OU's non-conference scheduling tendencies and results, and OSU's.
 
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Stoops4rPres has pretty much covered it; I don't have much to add.

Except it's funny that hohum asks for a pass for oswho on Arizona based on the "Hey, they're usually good, but weren't that year" theory, but isn't willing to offer that same pass on Washington, Miami, Cincy, and other OU opponents.

As for other lesser Big 12 programs, I couldn't care less what other schools are doing. Their fans aren't here talking schedule smack -- an oswho fan is.

I honestly thought hohum's original post was a joke, a tongue-in-cheek acknowledgment that, yes, the aggies do tend to take the easy road when it comes to non-conference scheduling. I was stunned to realize that he was being sincere.
 
OU schedules consistently in football and typically plays one of the tougher schedules in the country. This really isn't debatable as it has been proven by the BCS on two different occassions.

The philosophy for the football team is to play one big name opponent a year, one middle road opponent and hopefully one weaker team (but a school that does well in its conference). This year it was FSU as the big name team, Tulsa as the middle of the road team and Ball State as the weaker team. All of them are in Bowl games.

Tulsa lost four games but if you look at the losses they are actually pretty good having lost to OU, OSU, Boise and Houston. Those schools combined for 5 losses with OU losing three of them. I think Tulsa will win their bowl game because they have played some good teams.
 
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