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steverocks35 said:
This is the dumbest talking point. What do you think this proves? You can be a democratic republic AND a democracy. We are both. The two things are not mutually exclusive.
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We are not a democracy at the national/federal level at all.. you should grab a gov 101 book

"Dumbest talking point" = educating you on our basic system of gov..
 
hoopsaustin said:
We're not a democracy. You're free to move to a country that is :)
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Yes we are. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And people on the Right keeps saying it like it's some kind of amazing point they're making.
 
hoopsaustin said:
We are not a democracy at the national/federal level at all.. you should grab a gov 101 book

"Dumbest talking point" = educating you on our basic system of gov..
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Yes we are a democracy. Seriously, this is so dumb.
 
hoopsaustin said:
Which party wants to impeach a pres for nominating a justice? Add new states? Pack SCOTUS? eleminate filibuster? Change voting laws? Ect. (Cant track them all)
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Hate crime statistics, as provided by the FBI, clearly shows black people are twice as likely to commit hate crime as compared to whites over the past few years based on the relative population size of each ethnicity, and the media, which is overwhelmingly liberal, attempts to paint a picture which is clearly not based on facts and do so strictly to gain executive power. They want to convince black people to fear white people for political purposes only, where actually caring about the people in question is not on the agenda. They are political whores, whores of the truth and just outright whores. They do not care about lives, personal property, social unrest,etc. THEY CARE ABOUT POWER.

proof: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/hate-crimes
 
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steverocks35 said:
Yes a far right-wing one which influences all your views obviously.
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Saying we are a democratic republic is now a far-right position hahaha. You're out of your element, why dont you go back to your public sector PA job :)

And i dont like arguments from authority like it looks like i did in my above post. I just meant to show that its literally my background. Doesnt mean someone is irrefutable tho on the subject matter generally. Here, however, that is the case
 
By the way, here's the dictionary definition of democracy

:a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
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hoopsaustin said:
Saying we are a democratic republic is now a far-right position hahaha. You're out of your element, why dont you go back to your public sector PA job :)

And i dont like arguments from authority like it looks like i did in my above post. I just meant to show that its literally my background. Doesnt mean someone is irrefutable tho on the subject matter generally. Here, however, that is the case
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No, we are a republic, but that doesn't mean we are NOT a democracy. The terms are not mutually exclusive.
 
steverocks35 said:
By the way, here's the dictionary definition of democracy
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Boom checkmate! Well done Steve-o. You've identified that democracy can be and is part of a "democratic republic"! Brilliant. You should contact msnbc with this breakthrough immediately!

Wanna take a survey to learn more and determine if the USA is a democracy or a democratic republic, specifically at the national/fed level (which is the ONLY thing were discussing)?

Okay, ready:

1. Do the people elect a president via overall popular/direct vote?

2. Do the people vote and pass national/federal legislation via overall popular/direct vote?

3. Do the people nominate justices to SCOTUS via overall popular/direct vote?

If you answered "yes", "they should", or abolish the "EC", you are wrong and also an idiot..

If you answered "no", you are right and pass US government 101.
 
steverocks35 said:
Here's a great article on the topic that I've noted before.

https://mises.org/wire/stop-saying-were-republic-not-democracy
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The literal very first sentence makes the article inapplicable.. i never said republic, NOT democracy.

Did you get triggered so YOUR TRUTH is that i DID say that? Ha. If so, go back and read Steve-o. We are a democratic republic and ESPECIALLY in regard to the EC as we are objectively not a true/direct democracy and NEVER WILL BE a true/direct democracy as it relates to electing a president, nor should we be
 
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hoopsaustin said:
The literal very first sentence makes the article inapplicable.. i never said republic, NOT democracy.

Did you get triggered so YOUR TRUTH is that i DID say that? Ha. If so, go back and read Steve-o. We are a democratic republic and ESPECIALLY in regard to the EC as we are objectively and NEVER WILL BE a true/direct democracy as it relates to electing a president, nor should we be
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Yeah but you seem to be saying "We are a democratic republic so we have to keep the electoral college and it would be stupid to get rid of it!" What kind of argument is that? Also, why shouldn't we elect the leader of the nation based on the popular vote? What is the rationale for a guy losing the popular vote by millions and still winning?
 
steverocks35 said:
Yeah but you seem to be saying "We are a democratic republic so we have to keep the electoral college and it would be stupid to get rid of it!" What kind of argument is that? Also, why shouldn't we elect the leader of the nation based on the popular vote? What is the rationale for a guy losing the popular vote by millions and still winning?
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Actually quite the opposite. Its a reactive argument to you derps trying to get rid of the EC SOLELY bc you lost it.. what kind of argument is that?

"This didnt benefit me, we must get rid of it!! We are a DEMOCRACYYYYY. REEEE"

i believe you even said that the EC is anti-democratic or something to that effect. Hence my reactive argument, which is essentially: "even if i assume arguendo that i take your point - thats its not democratic - we are NOT a true/direct democracy anyways (not even in ANY of the other governmental branches). Its not written anywhere that we should be either. We dont even classify as a true/direct democracy. We are a democratic republic.

So why is it on my side that i have to counter your **** arguments? I believe you have the burden as the movant to explain why the system should be TOTALLY changed solely bc your side lost..
 
steverocks35 said:
Yeah but you seem to be saying "We are a democratic republic so we have to keep the electoral college and it would be stupid to get rid of it!" What kind of argument is that? Also, why shouldn't we elect the leader of the nation based on the popular vote? What is the rationale for a guy losing the popular vote by millions and still winning?
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The EC is amazing bc its a plurality of the majority of the states that all have competing and differing regional interests that then all get represented. If 3-4 states (ny florida cali texas) decide the entire election every year, the other states have no social contract to stay in the united states. Your gonna counter that only ba few swing states decide it anyways but even that scenario still allows states to gradually evolve and possibly be swing states. Theres NO argument for why the EC should be abolished
 
hoopsaustin said:
Actually quite the opposite. Its a reactive argument to you derps trying to get rid of the EC SOLELY bc you lost it.. what kind of argument is that?

"This didnt benefit me, we must get rid of it!! We are a DEMOCRACYYYYY. REEEE"

i believe you even said that the EC is anti-democratic or something to that effect. Hence my reactive argument, which is essentially: "even if i assume arguendo that i take your point - thats its not democratic - we are NOT a true/direct democracy anyways (not even in ANY of the other governmental branches). Its not written anywhere that we should be either. We dont even classify as a true/direct democracy. We are a democratic republic.

So why is it on my side that i have to counter your **** arguments? I believe you have the burden as the movant to explain why the system should be TOTALLY changed solely bc your side lost..
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Actually I've been arguing that the electoral college is stupid and undemocratic and should be scrapped since the 1980s but keep making assumptions.

I think it should be changed because it disenfranchises millions of voters and makes the votes of people in a select few states count more, sometimes much more than the votes of people that live in other states.
 
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