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thebigabd said:
Latest regime comments:

"Fraud is all over the place!"
-Donald Trump

"Democrats are rigging our 2020 election!"
-Donald Trump

"We want to make sure the election is honest, and I'm not sure that it can be"
-Donald Trump

"I think there will be a peaceful transfer of power"
-Ted Cruz

"We may have litigation about who won the election, but the court will decide, and if the Republicans lose, we will accept that result.”
-Lindsey Graham

A few others are basically treating the President of the United States like he's their crazy drunken uncle at Thanksgiving....

"He says crazy stuff"
-Ben Sasse

“If you took it seriously it would be alarming. And I don’t think that that's the case.”
-Senator Mike Braun (Republican)
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This is what tinpot dictators do. They say the election was a fraud and declare victory.
 
Analysis of the situation copied over from a site I peruse:

Everyone knows that Donald Trump and his minions will do anything to secure his reelection. And just in case anyone didn't know it, Trump & Co. have been broadcasting their intentions loud and clear, so everyone knows the score.

Let us start with the President. On Wednesday, he was asked whether he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power if defeated in November's election. His answer, equal parts rambling and frightening, was:

Well, we're going to have to see what happens. You know that I've been complaining very strongly about the [mail-in] ballots and the ballots are a disaster. Get rid of the ballots and you'll have a very peaceful—there won't be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation
Trump's message—and this isn't the first time he's said this, in one way or another—could not be clearer:

1. If Joe Biden wins, it will be due to his substantial advantage in mail-in ballots
2. Mail-in ballots are fraudulent
3. Ipso facto, a Joe Biden victory is inherently fraudulent
The first part is absolutely true, but the second part is utterly unsubstantiated by evidence, which makes the conclusion invalid. Of course, Trump's base does not care about evidence, and in making this argument, the President is all but instructing them to turn violent if Biden wins.

Trump's underlings, meanwhile, are doing everything they can to help. In two different items yesterday, we talked about the multiple hundreds of lawsuits that pro-Trump forces have filed, generally with the purpose of limiting mail-in voting or else generally creating an air of chaos and uncertainty (and thus illegitimacy).

Attorney General Bill Barr, who we are increasingly reluctant to call by that title since he's not actually doing the job of an attorney general, took things to a new propagandistic extreme on Thursday when his department issued a press release advising that nine discarded military ballots, all of them marked for Donald Trump, had been found discarded in a northeastern Pennsylvania county. The press release did not specify exactly where they had been found, nor under what circumstances, nor what "discarded" actually means, nor how their authenticity had been validated. Whoever wrote the release also overshot a bit, apparently, since it was later amended to say that only seven of the ballots were for Trump, while the other two were sealed. Naturally, the DoJ has promised an investigation.

The whole press release, of course, stinks to high heaven. As many former DoJ employees pointed out after Team Barr made the announcement, it is wildly inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation, it is even more inappropriate to do it with half-facts and unsubstantiated assertions, and it is more inappropriate still to include the (alleged) candidates' names, since the names don't matter. If there's a crime here, it's a crime regardless of whose names are marked on the ballots. And then there's the small matter that this looks custom-crafted to give Trump and his allies a talking point. Note that the ballots were "found" in Pennsylvania, and not Hawaii or Oregon or Vermont. And indeed, the President has already picked it up and started running with it, as have his adoring fans on Fox News. They, of course, do not care that even if everything here is on the up-and-up, and the ballots really were discarded illegally, 9 ballots out of the 140 million or so expected to be cast is .000006%, and so—in and of themselves—the 9 ballots prove absolutely nothing.

So, that is Trump and his minions. What about his enablers, namely the Republicans in Congress who don't actively aid him in his shenanigans, but don't do much to get in the way, either? Well, on Wednesday, nearly all of them tried to dismiss the President's refusal to commit to a peaceful transition of power as much ado about nothing. By Thursday, some of them had apparently awakened to the fact that undermining faith in elections might not be a good thing for folks who are in the business of getting elected, and so they pushed back, albeit with the force of a gentle spring breeze.

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT), who surely has the money to offer a reward to anyone who finds and returns his spine, said "There's no question ... that all the people who had sworn to support the Constitution would assure that there would be a peaceful transition of power." Sen. John Thune (R-TX) remarked that "Republicans believe in the rule of law and we believe in the Constitution." The careful reader will note that they did not criticize the President at all, and that they also said nothing about what they might do if Trump refused to obey the rule of law. Consequently, this is no different than expressing "concern," as Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) is so fond of doing. And we know how much follow-up there tends to be from Republicans in Congress after they have expressed their "concern" over something Trump did. (Z)

...But Will It Work?
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SoonerBounce13 said:
we don't know why they were thrown away. we do know they were military mail in votes and that 7 of the 9 were for trump. we do not know the other 2 as they were in sealed envelopes and weren't opened i guess. I would guess that the white house has found out about the other 2 votes that were sealed.

Y'all are really naive to think this crap doesn't happen everywhere. I wouldn't be shocked if they happen on the other side as well. With the hate and vile speech against Trump, you really don't htink there are some people that handle mail in ballets that aren't going to do whatever they can to get Biden elected?

Both sides are going to extremes to prove or disprove voter fraud. shocker
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I love how, in order to protect your man, you've basically resorted to saying we no longer have legitimate democracy in the United States... You are basically saying voter fraud is a big issue, its rampant, its happening "everywhere" (your words)...

If that's what you truly believe, then you've basically given up on the country. If this is what you really think, you think our system is not legitimate and that the whole thing is a sham. We can't trust anything.

You don't get to claim what you are claiming on one hand, and then think America is the greatest place ever on the other to defend against people like me who want to make some changes.
 
thebigabd said:
Latest regime comments:

"Fraud is all over the place!"
-Donald Trump

"Democrats are rigging our 2020 election!"
-Donald Trump

"We want to make sure the election is honest, and I'm not sure that it can be"
-Donald Trump

"I think there will be a peaceful transfer of power"
-Ted Cruz

"We may have litigation about who won the election, but the court will decide, and if the Republicans lose, we will accept that result.”
-Lindsey Graham

A few others are basically treating the President of the United States like he's their crazy drunken uncle at Thanksgiving....

"He says crazy stuff"
-Ben Sasse

“If you took it seriously it would be alarming. And I don’t think that that's the case.”
-Senator Mike Braun (Republican)
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LOL...some of the quotes your choose are just ridiculous choices abd.

Someone saying they think it will be a peaceful transfer of power is alarming?
How about the democrats that have already said if trump wins there won't be peace? naw thats not alarming lol
 
thebigabd said:
I love how, in order to protect your man, you've basically resorted to saying we no longer have legitimate democracy in the United States... You are basically saying voter fraud is a big issue, its rampant, its happening "everywhere" (your words)...
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let me stop you right there. STOP putting words in my mouth. i am absolutely sick of it. That is all the left does. Don't do it to me. I very clearly said it is not rampant. I never said it is a big issue. Can we all agree to stop twisting words and assuming crap? No more "you are basically saying..." It is BS. and he isn't "my man". I prefer him 10 fold over Biden and Harris. That doesn't make him my man.

If that's what you truly believe, then you've basically given up on the country. If this is what you really think, you think our system is not legitimate and that the whole thing is a sham. We can't trust anything.
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I think if we go to all mail in voting or all electronic voting I will lose faith in the results. For a side that is so worried about electronic meddling with elections, I find it really odd that your side wants to make it even easier to manipulate. and if you can't even admit that mail in voting is easier to manipulate than in person, we don't even need to discuss this anymore.
 
let me stop you right there. STOP putting words in my mouth. i am absolutely sick of it. That is all the left does. Don't do it to me. I very clearly said it is not rampant. I never said it is a big issue.
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Ok, if I misunderstood your position on this, and you are now saying you don't think it's a big issue, fine... Does that mean you don't agree with what POTUS is saying and doing regarding a rigged and/or fraudulent election?

Here is where I think I got confused by your stance.... I missed the part where you specifically said its not rampant (still can't find it), and your comments kinda made me think you thought it was a big issue.

"Y'all are really naive to think this crap doesn't happen everywhere."
-SoonerBounce

"you really don't htink there are some people that handle mail in ballets that aren't going to do whatever they can to get Biden elected?"
-Soonerbounce

"But both sides are fooling themselves if they think there isn't voter fraud going on. It is quite easy to do"
-Soonerbounce

"The dems brought this all on themselves by for years trying to make it easier to vote (no ids, allowing non citizens,etc)"
-Soonerbounce

"LOL if you really believe there were only 4 counts of voter fraud."
-Soonerbounce
 
thebigabd said:
Ok, if I misunderstood your position on this, and you are now saying you don't think it's a big issue, fine... Does that mean you don't agree with what POTUS is saying and doing regarding a rigged and/or fraudulent election?

Here is where I think I got confused by your stance.... I missed the part where you specifically said its not rampant (still can't find it), and your comments kinda made me think you thought it was a big issue.

"Y'all are really naive to think this crap doesn't happen everywhere."
-SoonerBounce

"you really don't htink there are some people that handle mail in ballets that aren't going to do whatever they can to get Biden elected?"
-Soonerbounce

"But both sides are fooling themselves if they think there isn't voter fraud going on. It is quite easy to do"
-Soonerbounce

"The dems brought this all on themselves by for years trying to make it easier to vote (no ids, allowing non citizens,etc)"
-Soonerbounce

"LOL if you really believe there were only 4 counts of voter fraud."
-Soonerbounce
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None of those quotes should make you assume I think voter fraud is rampant or that it affects the election.

It is an issue and will continue to be an issue...especially as we seem to be moving to methods of voting that are harder to prevent fraud.

I do not put it past any politician to do whatever is needed to win...especially the democrats that will do whatever it takes to take down trump

I don't even know what Trump has said and I don't care. Because anyone that posts them here posts them out of context and twists the meanings.

If I was down in the polls, and my opponent was pushing for mass mail in voting with the BS excuse of COVID, I'd be very very suspect. I don't know if I would go out on Twitter and tweet like Trump has. But i would do everything in my power to point out the potential flaws in mail in voting
 
steverocks35 said:
Oregon has done all of their elections at every level by mail-in ballot since 1998 without any significant problems at all. This is an entirely made-up issue by Trump so he can use it as an excuse to try to steal the election he's overwhelmingly favored to lose.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/07/30/mail-in-voting-oregon-trump-fraudulent/
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It would work great in Oklahoma too...because we are so red.
I'm assuming oregon is so blue

Do you not at the very least see the potential for fraud by mail in voting?

It works until it doesn't. And with how divided this country is, mail in voting seems like a very easy system to scam.

I stick by my statement that if you don't care enough to go to vote in person, you don't need to be voting. I don't want a bunch of uniformed idiots that just have to click a box on their phone to determine how this country is run.
 
steverocks35 said:
They can see the polls and they're desperate. They will do anything to retain power, anything. It's extremely fascistic.
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You are brain dead and can’t think for yourself. TDS has given you brain damage. Keep clinging to your “polls” Hillary. I’m sure they’ll give you comfort when Trump wins again.
 
mict085 said:
You are brain dead and can’t think for yourself. TDS has given you brain damage. Keep clinging to your “polls” Hillary. I’m sure they’ll give you comfort when Trump wins again.
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My offer to bet you $1,000 that Biden wins the popular vote at least stands. Put your money where your mouth is. Please don't kill yourself if Biden wins though like you threatened before.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
It would work great in Oklahoma too...because we are so red.
I'm assuming oregon is so blue

Do you not at the very least see the potential for fraud by mail in voting?

It works until it doesn't. And with how divided this country is, mail in voting seems like a very easy system to scam.

I stick by my statement that if you don't care enough to go to vote in person, you don't need to be voting. I don't want a bunch of uniformed idiots that just have to click a box on their phone to determine how this country is run.
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35% of Oregonians voted for a Republican against Ron Wyden. 37% voted for a Republican against Jeff Merkley.

Oregon has about 1.1 million registered Democrats, and about 715,000 registered Republicans.

Oregon Republicans have no political representation in the US Senate, and 1 of their 5 House members is a Republican. Their house member is Greg Walden, who has held his seat since 1999.

Biden is currently up 12 points on Trump in Oregon, per an average of all polls. Pretty much the same as what Hillary carried the state by. Hillary won Oregon 50% to 39% against Trump in 2016.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
It would work great in Oklahoma too...because we are so red.
I'm assuming oregon is so blue

Do you not at the very least see the potential for fraud by mail in voting?

It works until it doesn't. And with how divided this country is, mail in voting seems like a very easy system to scam.

I stick by my statement that if you don't care enough to go to vote in person, you don't need to be voting. I don't want a bunch of uniformed idiots that just have to click a box on their phone to determine how this country is run.
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Lots of very uninformed idiots drive their car to a polling station and vote. Driving to a church and voting doesn't make you not an uninformed idiot.

My brother-in-law is the very definition of an uninformed idiot, and he will drive to a poll and cast a vote.

That being said... do we have any numbers on this? Isn't it true that right now we have NO IDEA how many people are going to vote in person vs. the mail? It's like everyone is upset about something they don't even know is going to happen. People MIGHT vote by mail, which is their right to do so, but you have no idea how many are going to.
 
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steverocks35 said:
My offer to bet you $1,000 that Biden wins the popular vote at least stands. Put your money where your mouth is. Please don't kill yourself if Biden wins though like you threatened before.
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I never threatened to kill myself. You’re such a triggered snowflake. And a giant douchebag. Trump will win and you can keep your $1000. You think the bet makes you so tough but it doesn’t. Judging from all of your ignorant posts, you’d likely Welch anyway.

Obama is a criminal. We know that now. Biden is a criminal. We know that now. The FBI was ordered by Obama/Biden to frame Flynn and spy on Trump.
 
mict085 said:
I never threatened to kill myself. You’re such a triggered snowflake. And a giant douchebag. Trump will win and you can keep your $1000. You think the bet makes you so tough but it doesn’t. Judging from all of your ignorant posts, you’d likely Welch anyway.

Obama is a criminal. We know that now. Biden is a criminal. We know that now. The FBI was ordered by Obama/Biden to frame Flynn and spy on Trump.
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A totally normal post by a totally normal person. Have a great day!
 
BCSooners said:
Okay well Texas is moving Blue and probably in the next 12-20 years it will be. Then Republicans have almost no shot at the presidency, we'll see if you want to change it then.
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I wont. Its called principles. The only thing i wanna change is make northern california a new state
 
hoopsaustin said:
HAHA. he literally got 3.5 million wired to him from moscow. Derp
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I've explained this. The tech business he was involved in got some investments from a Russian that equaled 3.5 million. He was never "wired" 3.5 million dollars. Derp.

As an aside, it makes me laugh that they use the term "wired" because they think it makes it sound shady.
 
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hoopsaustin said:
Laws only apply to those running for office. Got it
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If Hunter Biden broke some laws then indict him and prosecute him. I have no problem with that. But the report released by the Republican senate committee found no evidence that he broke any laws.
 
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