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Jesse Kelly is giving liberals a piece of their own medicine. It will be interesting to see how they respond. He is going after universities and liberal institutions that are named after slave owners (Yale,, Georgetown, Brown,etc). Calling them to change the name and take down all signs and get rid of anything that has the name on it
 
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Jesse Kelly is giving liberals a piece of their own medicine. It will be interesting to see how they respond. He is going after universities and liberal institutions that are named after slave owners (Yale,, Georgetown, Brown,etc). Calling them to change the name and take down all signs and get rid of anything that has the name on it
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Blowing up Mount Rushmore will likely be on the agenda in short notice. Will it remove gangs from inner cities? Nope. Will it benefit those on the welfare system? Nope. Will it make certain people feel good, temporarily, for getting even? Yes. The delusion that are people has no bounds. What generally holds people back are themselves. Inner strength is what changes this outcome. Some people relish being labeled "the underdog" for it motivates them even more to succeed in endeavors they choose to be a part of.
 
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The dems and their violent antifa brothers want to remove every single piece of American history. They are following the 1984 Orwell playbook. The marxists dems want anarchy and violence.
 
mict085 said:
The dems and their violent antifa brothers want to remove every single piece of American history. They are following the 1984 Orwell playbook. The marxists dems want anarchy and violence.
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ignorant crap like this.
 
I can't really help you if you don't see how hypocritical it is for wealthy people to villainize the wealthy to the less fortunate. It is strictly for votes.
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You are looking at this in a very narrow-minded way..... You are saying "because Bernie Sanders doesn't donate everything he has except for what it costs to pay his bills and buy food, he is a hypocrite".... That is a ridiculous position.

1.) Nobody said it was a problem to be rich. Even the people Bernie attacks, like Jeff Bezos, would be immensely wealthy.

The proposed Bernie tax bracket taxes money over $10 million at 52%.... So lets use the CEO of Aetna as an example. He had a total compensation of $18.7 million last year, which under the Bernie tax plan would be taxed at 52%.

Under the Trump tax plan, its 37%.

So the CEO of Aetna would bring home $8.9 million under Bernie, and $11.8 million under Trump.

Now, Bernie also proposes a tax on "extreme wealth".... People with a net worth under $32 million would not be impacted... The wealth tax is as follows:

1% on net worth from $32 to $50 million... 2% on net worth from $50 to $250 million... 3% from $250 to $500 million... 4% from $500 million to $1 billion... 5% from $1 billion to $2.5 billion... 6% from $2.5 to $5 billion... 7 percent from $5 to $10 billion....and 8 percent on wealth over $10 billion.

So, continuing with the CEO of Aetna, who has a net worth of $180 million... He would fall into the 2% bracket. He would pay $3.6 million annually on his net worth.

Ok, so thats the technical part of it.... What you are saying is that "Bernie has money, if he believes in this he should just give all his money away".... On top of being ridiculous, the impact of such a thing is irrelevant to fixing society compared to what genuine tax reform would accomplish. If Bernie just gives away his money as you are suggesting, that doesn't really accomplish much. If the entire structure of society is changed through a more progressive tax scheme, that opens up thousands of opportunities in many different parts of the country to do more, to do better, etc.

Bernie giving his money away would generate $2 million, ever. Total. The end. The tax plan that Bernie has proposed would generate about $5 TRILLION over a 10 year period. And the people who paid this money would still be immensely wealth, almost beyond comprehension. In my personal view, Bernie didn't go far enough. Keeping in mind, that number is ONLY from the Wealth Tax... it doesn't include what would be raised in tax revenue from the new tax brackets and other proposed taxes that will impact some wealthy folks and corporations.

I will conclude this response by saying the average person really has a hard time even grasping the concept of a billion... It's a hard number to wrap your mind around. But suggesting a single person shouldn't have $100 billion is not an insane or radical notion once you understand the amount of money. Also, once you understand the percentage they pay into taxes, pay into social security, etc compared to YOU, it makes even more sense.

Nothing is unreasonable about this. I am actually stunned that so many people are against it.

Perhaps you can explain why?
 
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The dems and their violent antifa brothers want to remove every single piece of American history.
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I suggest you read my previous post about political parties and associations with Democrats and Republicans. If you want me to re-post, I will...
 
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You are looking at this in a very narrow-minded way..... You are saying "because Bernie Sanders doesn't donate everything he has except for what it costs to pay his bills and buy food, he is a hypocrite".... That is a ridiculous position.
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I guess I need to clarify. I see hypocrisy is railing on the rich while being rich yourself. The Left has villified wealth and those "1%ers". Their solution to the country's economic woes is to tax the rich more. I do not believe that a lack of revenue is the issue. Taxing the rich more will just add to the misuse of revenue. I believe it is immoral to tax people more than what is needed...and I think that grossly happens here. I think America is too big to succeed. A republic is great for a small country. But for a country our size, waste is abundant. I know this got really off track.
 
I just want to add that I can at least see why somebody might believe in the economics of Bernie but if you go and watch their speeches where they rail on the wealthy and corporations, I hope you can see why I think it is hypocritical.

And i also have a hard time believing a socialist has good intentions. Yes, give me more of your money...I'll take care of it for you and distribute it fairly
 
I guess I need to clarify. I see hypocrisy is railing on the rich while being rich yourself.
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He has a net worth of $2 million... This is basically a molecule compared to the type of extreme wealth he is railing against. Also, Bernie is not an employer. He isn't generating wealth off the backs of people he doesn't pay fairly or give proper benefits to. It's apples and oranges.

This is what most people THINK it is:

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This is what it ACTUALLY is:

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Their solution to the country's economic woes is to tax the rich more. I do not believe that a lack of revenue is the issue. Taxing the rich more will just add to the misuse of revenue.

And i also have a hard time believing a socialist has good intentions. Yes, give me more of your money...I'll take care of it for you and distribute it fairly
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You can call it whatever you want, but we absolutely have a glaring tax problem in this country... It causes all sorts of systemic problems. It's an attack on competition in the market, it's an attack on democracy itself, too much wealth and power is concentrated into too few, it creates social unrest, just to name a few.

And, tax revenue is clearly a problem... $22 trillion in debt. The economy will NEVER grow at a rate fast enough to overcome that. It's too volatile. We had crashes in 1989, 2001, 2008, and 2020... There will be recessions, there will be global disasters, etc. You can't grow your way out of this. It's completely illogical, but its pretty much ALL the GOP is selling. It makes no sense whatsoever.

We have serious tax revenue problems. Serious wealth distribution problems. Serious spending problems.
 
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He has a net worth of $2 million... This is basically a molecule compared to the type of extreme wealth he is railing against. Also, Bernie is not an employer. He isn't generating wealth off the backs of people he doesn't pay fairly or give proper benefits to. It's apples and oranges.

This is what most people THINK it is:

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This is what it ACTUALLY is:

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You can call it whatever you want, but we absolutely have a glaring tax problem in this country... It causes all sorts of systemic problems. It's an attack on competition in the market, it's an attack on democracy itself, too much wealth and power is concentrated into too few, it creates social unrest, just to name a few.

And, tax revenue is clearly a problem... $22 trillion in debt. The economy will NEVER grow at a rate fast enough to overcome that. It's too volatile. We had crashes in 1989, 2001, 2008, and 2020... There will be recessions, there will be global disasters, etc. You can't grow your way out of this. It's completely illogical, but its pretty much ALL the GOP is selling. It makes no sense whatsoever.

We have serious tax revenue problems. Serious wealth distribution problems. Serious spending problems.
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I believe Bernie railed against millionaires. When he became one he changed the spelling of millionaires by spelling it with a "B." The art of convenience.
 
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I believe Bernie railed against millionaires. When he became one he changed the spelling of millionaires by spelling it with a "B."
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None of this is about Bernie.... you are trying to make it about Bernie. Is the situation he is describing, and that I am describing, a problem to you or not?
 
thebigabd said:
He has a net worth of $2 million... This is basically a molecule compared to the type of extreme wealth he is railing against. Also, Bernie is not an employer. He isn't generating wealth off the backs of people he doesn't pay fairly or give proper benefits to. It's apples and oranges.

This is what most people THINK it is:

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This is what it ACTUALLY is:

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You can call it whatever you want, but we absolutely have a glaring tax problem in this country... It causes all sorts of systemic problems. It's an attack on competition in the market, it's an attack on democracy itself, too much wealth and power is concentrated into too few, it creates social unrest, just to name a few.

And, tax revenue is clearly a problem... $22 trillion in debt. The economy will NEVER grow at a rate fast enough to overcome that. It's too volatile. We had crashes in 1989, 2001, 2008, and 2020... There will be recessions, there will be global disasters, etc. You can't grow your way out of this. It's completely illogical, but its pretty much ALL the GOP is selling. It makes no sense whatsoever.

We have serious tax revenue problems. Serious wealth distribution problems. Serious spending problems.
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So what is cut off and why? As long as the cutoff is above what the politicians are making right?


I never said let's grow our way out of it. But we have to cut waste and spending. That will be difficult with a country this size.
But your solution won't work either. There will never be enough revenue with unobstructed spending. never. You could tax everyone at 90% and it wouldn't be enough
 
So what is cut off
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On the wealth tax? Net worth of more than $32 million.

and why?
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Numbers.

I never said let's grow our way out of it. But we have to cut waste and spending.
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We need to do the following:

  • Raise taxes on wealth
  • Grow the economy
  • Cut Wasteful Spending
  • Cut spending on some things not deemed wasteful, like military

Same goes with paying more taxes than the next guy
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How about billionaires and corporations paying an equal amount to you, in terms of a percentage?

Society is a bountiful with haves and have nots and not all people become haves or have nots due to the same circumstances thus everyone should not be treated as one the in same even though they might have the same.
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And that won't change... They will still be absurdly wealthy, and we will still be middle class... We will just have more tax revenue for infrastructure, energy, education, healthcare, etc to improve the lives of "the many".
 
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