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[BCSooners]

sometimes that is correct.

So Garner & Floyd's actions warranted them getting killed? The officers were the aggressors in both cases.

 

[WTSooner]

So Garner & Floyd's actions warranted them getting killed? The officers were the aggressors in both cases.

It warranted them being treated how they were treated. Death was a result of a LOT of factors on top of the what the police actually did.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So Garner & Floyd's actions warranted them getting killed? The officers were the aggressors in both cases.

I would not say the officers were the aggressors unless you consider trying to handcuff a guy and arrest them as aggression.

If you watch the GF video from the start, the cops were VERY patient with GF. A lot more patient than I would have been. They did not escalate things.

In the Garner case, I could agree that the one cop escalated it quicker than necessary. But still, if Garner would have let them handcuff him, he wouldn't have been choked

 

[BCSooners]

Safely? Not always. And some of these people that died, died in part b/c they had health issues. No way a normal person not on drugs and worked up dies from what they did to George Floyd. Same can be said about Garner. That choke hold, as short as it was to get him to stop fighting so he could be cuffed, doesn't kill most people. But somebody that is obese? With heart disease? And asthma? Yeah, those actions resulted in his death.

I think quite a few people could die if someone pressed a knee to their neck for 9 minutes. I've yet to see anything Garner did to deserve getting choked out.

Yes the underlying conditions probably effected the cause of death in Garner's case. But both actions by the cops were unnecessary and over the top and they deserved to be charged.

 

[hoopsaustin]

So Garner & Floyd's actions warranted them getting killed? The officers were the aggressors in both cases.

Police get to be aggressors being as they uphold the law and morons try to resist arrest..

 

[WTSooner]

Why did he need to go in the police car at first?

Because he was under arrest, I'd imagine?

Then he was subdued on the ground. After that slap the cuffs on and put him in the police car, don't knee on his neck for 9 minutes. It's absolutely insane to justify that.

Floyd through a FIT when they tried putting him in the car the first time. He fought them. Kicked them. And kept telling them he couldn't breathe IN the car. That is why they took him out, he kept fighting, and he ended up on the ground.

Bad police work to just leave him on the ground and not have also maintain control. Did that control NEED to be a knee on his neck? No, probably not. But it wasn't a knee that was cutting off his ability to breathe. That was the drugs and how worked up he had gotten himself. Again, a cop holds you or I down like that, we don't die. The way some of you tell this story, you'd think the cop had both hands around Floyd's neck literally choking him to death.

 

[BCSooners]

It warranted them being treated how they were treated. Death was a result of a LOT of factors on top of the what the police actually did.

Absolutely not.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Yes because you know what those guys believed in those instances. Even though I strongly disagree with Bounce & WT, at least they make sense in their argument.

So he resisted because he knew it would all be for not? Yeah that makes perfect sense.

 

[thebigabd]

You are part of the problem. Yes, YOU. If you call the police doing their job and confronting people that are doing illegal things harassment, you are just feeding into the incorrect narrative. And let's be honest, the police didn't just show up. They were CALLED. Called to come and do their job.

Don't want to be arrested or go to jail? DON'T BREAK THE LAW. Don't want to be CONTACTED by the police? DON'T BREAK THE LAW. It sounds like you are saying "oh, the black man has been through enough, so police shouldn't bother them when they do things like trespass, commit domestic assault, fight, or pay for their meals with counterfeit money. That is INSANE!

That's not what I am saying at all... I am saying minor offenses like selling loose cigarettes, a fake $20 bill, and whatever this guy were doing at the time shouldn't even involve hand-cuffs, jail, bail, judges, etc... Handle it right there on the street. If the situation isn't safe, escort them home.

We have 4% of the world population and the most people imprisoned on earth for exactly this reason. All roads lead to jail. Selling a loose cigarette gets you handcuffed and send to jail? Give me a freakin break.

That's the point I am making... You are selling loose cigarettes (which would be the equivalent of me reselling Taco Bell sauce packets that are marked "not for resale"), and the resulting action is getting manhandled, handcuffed, stuck in a police car, and input into the criminal justice system. Fingerprints, mug shot, charges filed, put in a cell, and waiting for a court date in front of a judge. During this time I lose my job, I can't be with my kids, etc... All for something that should be a ticket issued right there on the street.

So, if I am a dude who is doing something like selling Taco Bell sauce packets on the side of the street and I realize my life is about to get a lot worse, I can understand the emotional reaction to resist as they try to haul me off to jail.

Then you add in the following:
Generations of mistreatment by the police. AND PLEASE, do not act like as early as ONE GENERATION ago blacks weren't getting beaten, killed, water hosed, etc by police. It wasn't that long ago. My mom was born in 1953, she grew up in a very different world. And that was just one generation ago. My grandparents generation was even worse.

Fear of the police. Fear that you might die in their custody. etc and all the other things we have discussed, and the irrational decision to resist makes a little more sense. Of course, it won't result in anything good for you, that's why its not rational, but I understand it.

In the Garner case, I could agree that the one cop escalated it quicker than necessary. But still, if Garner would have let them handcuff him, he wouldn't have been choked

Translation.... if Garner would have let them ruin his life for selling Taco Bell sauce packets, and take away his freedom, and give him a record, and a mugshot, etc the officer wouldn't have had to murder him.

 

[BCSooners]

Because he was under arrest, I'd imagine?



Floyd through a FIT when they tried putting him in the car the first time. He fought them. Kicked them. And kept telling them he couldn't breathe IN the car. That is why they took him out, he kept fighting, and he ended up on the ground.

Bad police work to just leave him on the ground and not have also maintain control. Did that control NEED to be a knee on his neck? No, probably not. But it wasn't a knee that was cutting off his ability to breathe. That was the drugs and how worked up he had gotten himself. Again, a cop holds you or I down like that, we don't die. The way some of you tell this story, you'd think the cop had both hands around Floyd's neck literally choking him to death.

So he says he can't breathe in the car, so why you don't call and ambulance if you really believe that to be the case. I don't see how a knee to the neck for 9 minutes is the right course of action. He unjustly killed GF.

 

[thebigabd]

So he says he can't breathe in the car, so why you don't call and ambulance if you really believe that to be the case. I don't see how a knee to the neck for 9 minutes is the right course of action. He unjustly killed GF.

And pretty much nobody is defending it, except WTSooner. Not even Donald Trump defended it.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

That's not what I am saying at all... I am saying minor offenses like selling loose cigarettes, a fake $20 bill, and whatever this guy were doing at the time shouldn't even involve hand-cuffs, jail, bail, judges, etc... Handle it right there on the street. If the situation isn't safe, escort them home.

What about on repeat offenses? What if they don't pay for the ticket?

We have 4% of the world population and the most people imprisoned on earth for exactly this reason. All roads lead to jail. Selling a loose cigarette gets you handcuffed and send to jail? Give me a freakin break.

It only leads to jail after multiple offenses and if you resist arrest. I'd imagine, on the first offense, you are given a warning or ticket.

That's the point I am making... You are selling loose cigarettes (which would be the equivalent of me reselling Taco Bell sauce packets that are marked "not for resale"), and the resulting action is getting manhandled, handcuffed, stuck in a police car, and input into the criminal justice system. Fingerprints, mug shot, charges filed, put in a cell, and waiting for a court date in front of a judge. During this time I lose my job, I can't be with my kids, etc... All for something that should be a ticket issued right there on the street.

we have laws for a reason. If you let little stuff go, you won't like the results. I don't mind arguing that some punishments should be less severe. Especially on first offense. But almost all of these high profile cases, the offender has been repeatedly in trouble with the law.

Translation.... if Garner would have let them ruin his life for selling Taco Bell sauce packets, and take away his freedom, and give him a record, and a mugshot, etc the officer wouldn't have had to murder him.

good gravy dude. Ruin his life? The dude had already been arreste THIRTY times. Obviously light punishments do nothing for him.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So he says he can't breathe in the car, so why you don't call and ambulance if you really believe that to be the case. I don't see how a knee to the neck for 9 minutes is the right course of action. He unjustly killed GF.

That's the problem...the cops didn't bleieve he really couldn't breath because he was saying it throughout the whole interaction while at the same time telling other lies. That is why someone used the cry wolf phrase.

Again, go watch the video again...even the people he was with said GF was crazy and high.

 

[sheepdogs1]

So he says he can't breathe in the car, so why you don't call and ambulance if you really believe that to be the case. I don't see how a knee to the neck for 9 minutes is the right course of action. He unjustly killed GF.

When the officers first approached him what was he doing? Sitting in a car.

 

[BCSooners]

Police get to be aggressors being as they uphold the law and morons try to resist arrest..

Police do not just get to be the aggressors, it has to be warranted and within reason. Both those cases the cops obviously took it way to far & the victim did not warrant such violence.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Police do not just get to be the aggressors, it has to be warranted and within reason. Both those cases the cops obviously took it way to far & the victim did not warrant such violence.

Easy to say behind a keyboard.

 

[hoopsaustin]

That's not what I am saying at all... I am saying minor offenses like selling loose cigarettes, a fake $20 bill, and whatever this guy were doing at the time shouldn't even involve hand-cuffs, jail, bail, judges, etc... Handle it right there on the street. If the situation isn't safe, escort them home.

We have 4% of the world population and the most people imprisoned on earth for exactly this reason. All roads lead to jail. Selling a loose cigarette gets you handcuffed and send to jail? Give me a freakin break.

That's the point I am making... You are selling loose cigarettes (which would be the equivalent of me reselling Taco Bell sauce packets that are marked "not for resale"), and the resulting action is getting manhandled, handcuffed, stuck in a police car, and input into the criminal justice system. Fingerprints, mug shot, charges filed, put in a cell, and waiting for a court date in front of a judge. During this time I lose my job, I can't be with my kids, etc... All for something that should be a ticket issued right there on the street.

So, if I am a dude who is doing something like selling Taco Bell sauce packets on the side of the street and I realize my life is about to get a lot worse, I can understand the emotional reaction to resist as they try to haul me off to jail.

Then you add in the following:
Generations of mistreatment by the police. AND PLEASE, do not act like as early as ONE GENERATION ago blacks weren't getting beaten, killed, water hosed, etc by police. It wasn't that long ago. My mom was born in 1953, she grew up in a very different world. And that was just one generation ago. My grandparents generation was even worse.

Fear of the police. Fear that you might die in their custody. etc and all the other things we have discussed, and the irrational decision to resist makes a little more sense. Of course, it won't result in anything good for you, that's why its not rational, but I understand it.



Translation.... if Garner would have let them ruin his life for selling Taco Bell sauce packets, and take away his freedom, and give him a record, and a mugshot, etc the officer wouldn't have had to murder him.

Why use an anology instead of the cigarettes? Lol

If he was scared of going to jail, why doesnt he just not break the law? Theres laws i dont like.. do i wilfully disobey them and expect to not get tickets or arrested? No

 

[thebigabd]

It only leads to jail after multiple offenses and if you resist arrest. I'd imagine, on the first offense, you are given a warning or ticket.

Yea, probably. I would hope so.

we have laws for a reason. If you let little stuff go, you won't like the results. I don't mind arguing that some punishments should be less severe. Especially on first offense. But almost all of these high profile cases, the offender has been repeatedly in trouble with the law.

Yea, with some exceptions. Like Tamir Rice, who was a 12 year old boy who was killed by police because they thought his toy gun was real.

good gravy dude. Ruin his life? The dude had already been arreste THIRTY times. Obviously light punishments do nothing for him.

Conceded.... I forgot that Eric Garner had been arrested so many times.

 

[BCSooners]

That's the problem...the cops didn't bleieve he really couldn't breath because he was saying it throughout the whole interaction while at the same time telling other lies. That is why someone used the cry wolf phrase.

Again, go watch the video again...even the people he was with said GF was crazy and high.

Knee to the neck for 9 minutes while he was already subdued. You can't argue anything else based on the video to justify those actions

 

[BCSooners]

Easy to say behind a keyboard.

Easy to say when cops keep killing people unjustly.