Current Events Thread

[BCSooners]

no murder here. Opened the car door = threat of retrieving weapon. Open and shut

Again, I haven't been talking about this situation. Again, I am waiting for all the information to come out before I form an opinion.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I see all sorts of options there. The shooting was beyond excessive, and the outrage is totally justified.

LOL you changed your mind quick. What made you change your mind?

They didn't want to be arrested or go to jail. They are tired of being harassed by police and the community.

If you break the law, you don't get a choice dude. Do you want to live in a world where minor offenses don't get addressed if the criminal doesn't want to be punished?

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[SoonerBounce13]

Those are what started it and both were unarmed & killed by out of control cops.

No. The out of control are the people resisting arrest.

Don't commit a crime and you won't get arrested
Don't resist arrest and you won't get beaten.

This is really easy guys

 

[SoonerBounce13]

You are part of the problem. Yes, YOU. If you call the police doing their job and confronting people that are doing illegal things harassment, you are just feeding into the incorrect narrative. And let's be honest, the police didn't just show up. They were CALLED. Called to come and do their job.

Don't want to be arrested or go to jail? DON'T BREAK THE LAW. Don't want to be CONTACTED by the police? DON'T BREAK THE LAW. It sounds like you are saying "oh, the black man has been through enough, so police shouldn't bother them when they do things like trespass, commit domestic assault, fight, or pay for their meals with counterfeit money. That is INSANE!

I'll add that people like Big are also the reason that somebody like Trump has a chance to get reelected. Liberals can look in the mirror with how we got someboyd like trump in office

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Arresting people for resisting is absolutely fine, murdering them is not. It's that simple.

This is the flaw...how do you arrest somebody that is resisting? You have to use more force than the person resisting is using to resist

This conversation is unreal

 

[BCSooners]

No. The out of control are the people resisting arrest.

Don't commit a crime and you won't get arrested
Don't resist arrest and you won't get beaten.

This is really easy guys

You can watch both of those videos and say the police's actions were justified to how the guys were acting? I mean it's not close, I still don't even see how GF was resisting.

 

[AdaSooner]

more raw video.

It is weird because the cops were just standing there and he got up. I am guessing they had just tased him and had their guard down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=K0DSTV7XT1E&feature=emb_logo

The unknowns have me torn between overzealous cops who didn’t do everything they could to see this end with an arrest not a shooting, and a man who refused to heed their commands.

I realize there is more to this story than we know. But, I can’t help but wonder why a father would lead police officers with guns in their hands to the worst possible place to keep his three children safe? To be fair, I have a similar question about the police officers? Seems to me no one was as concerned about three innocent children as they should have been.

 

[BCSooners]

This is the flaw...how do you arrest somebody that is resisting? You have to use more force than the person resisting is using to resist

This conversation is unreal

You are saying 4 trained cops can't subdue 1 person without killing them?

 

[sheepdogs1]

This is the flaw...how do you arrest somebody that is resisting? You have to use more force than the person resisting is using to resist

This conversation is unreal

It is unreal because of whom you are dealing with.


Malcolm X said, “The white liberal differs from the white conservative in one way. The liberal is more deceitful and hypocritical than the conservatives. Both want power. But, the white liberal has perfected the art of posing as the negro’s (sic) friend and benefactor.” He accused the liberals of using the black Americans as ‘political pawns’ in their political struggle against the conservatives.

 

[BCSooners]

It is unreal because of who you are dealing with.


Malcolm X said, “The white liberal differs from the white conservative in one way. The liberal is more deceitful and hypocritical than the conservatives. Both want power. But, the white liberal has perfected the art of posing as the negro’s (sic) friend and benefactor.” He accused the liberals of using the black Americans as ‘political pawns’ in their political struggle against the conservatives.

You are saying 4 trained cops can't subdue 1 person without killing them?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

You can watch both of those videos and say the police's actions were justified to how the guys were acting? I mean it's not close, I still don't even see how GF was resisting.

You don't see how he was resisting? Have you watch the full video? The ONLY reason he was on the ground was because he wouldn't go in the police car.

IN regards to the Blake videos, from what we know (he was involved in some type of tussle with police, and tased, and walked away ignoring orders, and reached down into his vehicle) yes it was absolutely justified

 

[sheepdogs1]

You are saying 4 trained cops can't subdue 1 person without killing them?

If the one person believed the 4 could subdue him then why resist the subduing? Because he does not believe they can.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The unknowns have me torn between overzealous cops who didn’t do everything they could to see this end with an arrest not a shooting, and a man who refused to heed their commands.

I realize there is more to this story than we know. But, I can’t help but wonder why a father would lead police officers with guns in their hands to the worst possible place to keep his three children safe? To be fair, I have a similar question about the police officers? Seems to me no one was as concerned about three innocent children as they should have been.

Well i find it hard to imagine why a sweet father of three rapes somebody and has charges for domestic violence as well.

Maybe the cops were trying to protect the children...

And again, they tased him. They tried non lethal methods.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

You are saying 4 trained cops can't subdue 1 person without killing them?

sometimes that is correct.

 

[Sooner04]

There are tens of thousands of traffic stops that go by the book and peacefully every day. I wish we would just punish the police officers who go way too far and get on with our lives.

If you look at these "viral" stops with a modicum of common sense you can separate the meat from the potatoes with ease.

 

[WTSooner]

You are saying 4 trained cops can't subdue 1 person without killing them?

Safely? Not always. And some of these people that died, died in part b/c they had health issues. No way a normal person not on drugs and worked up dies from what they did to George Floyd. Same can be said about Garner. That choke hold, as short as it was to get him to stop fighting so he could be cuffed, doesn't kill most people. But somebody that is obese? With heart disease? And asthma? Yeah, those actions resulted in his death.

 

[WTSooner]

There are tens of thousands of traffic stops that go by the book and peacefully every day. I wish we would just punish the police officers who go way too far and get on with our lives.

If you look at these "viral" stops with a modicum of common sense you can separate the meat from the potatoes with ease.

The problem is the "narrative" being pushed has moved the line, so that they ware wanting things I don't consider racist, or going to far, or whatever label you want to be put on it, to be labeled that way. And it simply can't work that way and keep the police safe, which is something they deserve.

 

[BCSooners]

You don't see how he was resisting? Have you watch the full video? The ONLY reason he was on the ground was because he wouldn't go in the police car.

IN regards to the Blake videos, from what we know (he was involved in some type of tussle with police, and tased, and walked away ignoring orders, and reached down into his vehicle) yes it was absolutely justified

Why did he need to go in the police car at first? Then he was subdued on the ground. After that slap the cuffs on and put him in the police car, don't knee on his neck for 9 minutes. It's absolutely insane to justify that.

For the 90th time, I'm not using this argument for Blake until more information comes out.

 

[BCSooners]

If the one person believed the 4 could subdue him then why resist the subduing? Because he does not believe they can.

Yes because you know what those guys believed in those instances. Even though I strongly disagree with Bounce & WT, at least they make sense in their argument.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Why did he need to go in the police car at first? Then he was subdued on the ground. After that slap the cuffs on and put him in the police car, don't knee on his neck for 9 minutes. It's absolutely insane to justify that.

I think you need to go rewatch the videos. You question doesn't make sense.

For the 90th time, I'm not using this argument for Blake until more information comes out.

my apologies...I thought your comments about the 2 videos was in reference to Blake