Dead Last in SEC Attendance

[TINY]

Toby Rowland mentioned on his show today that OU was DFL in the SEC for attendance. I don’t care who the coach or AD is, that is beyond unacceptable. This fanbase has never really appreciated the success of the basketball program and it is a shame. I fear this program is spiraling around the drain and may never recover.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Toby Rowland mentioned on his show today that OU was DFL in the SEC for attendance. I don’t care who the coach or AD is, that is beyond unacceptable. This fanbase has never really appreciated the success of the basketball program and it is a shame. I fear this program is spiraling around the drain and may never recover.

mens season ticket revenue was down 2.4 mil this season from 4.5 to 2.1 .

and the 4.5 was down from 22-23

 

[cbertus6]

mens season ticket revenue was down 2.4 mil this season from 4.5 to 2.1 .

and the 4.5 was down from 22-23

With a lottery pick on the team, that is almost incomprehensible. Likely due to a combination of the most atrocious home noncon slate I've ever seen coupled with nothing but incompetence in conference play over the last four seasons.

 

[BoulderSooner]

With a lottery pick on the team, that is almost incomprehensible. Likely due to a combination of the most atrocious home noncon slate I've ever seen coupled with nothing but incompetence in conference play over the last four seasons.

and Moser having no (or worse a negative ) connection with the fan base ..

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

mens season ticket revenue was down 2.4 mil this season from 4.5 to 2.1 .

and the 4.5 was down from 22-23

It's possible if we waive the buyout for him to move elsewhere that we make up for it with increased ticket sales with the right new coach.

I don't trust the current AD to make that call, but this is possible.

Our athletic department is about winning, but it's also about the bottom line. The market has spoken.

 

[BoulderSooner]

It's possible if we waive the buyout for him to move elsewhere that we make up for it with increased ticket sales with the right new coach.

I don't trust the current AD to make that call, but this is possible.

Our athletic department is about winning, but it's also about the bottom line. The market has spoken.

very much agree

 

[IndySooner]

It's possible if we waive the buyout for him to move elsewhere that we make up for it with increased ticket sales with the right new coach.

I don't trust the current AD to make that call, but this is possible.

Our athletic department is about winning, but it's also about the bottom line. The market has spoken.

Better yet, what would increasing the NIL amount by $4-5 million do for attendance and the bottom line?

 

[WichitaSooner]

With a lottery pick on the team, that is almost incomprehensible. Likely due to a combination of the most atrocious home noncon slate I've ever seen coupled with nothing but incompetence in conference play over the last four seasons.

Yea, we had zero quality noncon home games. 7 of 8 were Q-4. Then we lose our first two home conference games, one a massive blown lead and the other a no-show against our rival, and it is hard to expect fans to show up. I mean, we lost four of our first six conference home games, and we’ve been bad at home for four years. I wish we had better fans, but hard to pin too much on them this year.

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

Better yet, what would increasing the NIL amount by $4-5 million do for attendance and the bottom line?

That's a great point. Cheaper to bump up NIL than to churn the coaching staff.

But, has Porter permanently lost the fan base? That's the question. So many close losses in big home games, so many losses to rivals.

I will say that the SEC schedule, as great as a lot of those teams are, does nothing to move the needle for our fan base. We couldn't even fill LNC for Kentucky, though that game was at the end of the season when a lot of our fans had given up.

 

[BoulderSooner]

mens season ticket revenue was down 2.4 mil this season from 4.5 to 2.1 .

and the 4.5 was down from 22-23

just to correct this I think this data is the change from 22-23 to 23-24 ...

I think this year 24-35 was even worse ..

 

[IndySooner]

That's a great point. Cheaper to bump up NIL than to churn the coaching staff.

But, has Porter permanently lost the fan base? That's the question. So many close losses in big home games, so many losses to rivals.

I will say that the SEC schedule, as great as a lot of those teams are, does nothing to move the needle for our fan base. We couldn't even fill LNC for Kentucky, though that game was at the end of the season when a lot of our fans had given up.

I don't think the schedule means anything toward filling the LNC. History has proven that. And if Porter has permanently lost the fanbase, that says more about our fanbase than anything.

 

[allday92]

The coach, the performance, the schedule are all things to look at and evaluate.

There are also macro level concerns with younger generations and their waning interest in sports. Nothing about the LNC is an experience for anyone. Irrespective of the product on the court, nothing about going to LNC is memorable. The fact that Joe C couldn't get an on campus replacement for LNC will be a stain on his career. Unacceptable tbh.

 

[Sooner04]

These are chicken and egg arguments and both sides are entrenched. The Thunder make it tougher but, history has proven time and again, if you WIN the fans will show up. It won't be 11,000 every night with SRO along the concourses, but if you WIN the fans will be there for the biggies. That has been true as long as I've been alive, and I've seen a ton of games inside the LNC.

 

[SoonerDutch]

I don't think the schedule means anything toward filling the LNC. History has proven that. And if Porter has permanently lost the fanbase, that says more about our fanbase than anything.

Our fans are pretty shitty but PM’s teams have gone out of their way to let people down right when momentum appears to be building. Outside of the post-UF run this season, it’s almost like he was trying to let people down.

 

[cbertus6]

I don't think the schedule means anything toward filling the LNC. History has proven that. And if Porter has permanently lost the fanbase, that says more about our fanbase than anything.

Again, we are having this conversation across threads now, what has Porter done - historically or at OU - that makes you believe that he is capable of doing so much better even with the external support? He's had fans show up for big games and has laid egg after egg.

The fans have been there in droves for big games over the last four seasons and he has never rewarded them, aside from one random upset win over Bama. We all know OU has a very fickle basketball fanbase. That's been the case for decades and it didn't stop 3 separate coaches since the turn of the century from taking us to at least an elite 8.

Moser is 47-22 at home during his time at OU which sounds nice, but peel back the layers and you'll see his home conference record is 17-19. Why would you expect fans to show up to big games when we can't even win half of them at home? He hasn't beaten Texas at home in four years. Hell he lost to Sam Houston State at home. How can anyone defend that?

 

[IndySooner]

Again, we are having this conversation across threads now, what has Porter done - historically or at OU - that makes you believe that he is capable of doing so much better even with the external support? He's had fans show up for big games and has laid egg after egg.

The fans have been there in droves for big games over the last four seasons and he has never rewarded them, aside from one random upset win over Bama. We all know OU has a very fickle basketball fanbase. That's been the case for decades and it didn't stop 3 separate coaches since the turn of the century from taking us to at least an elite 8.

Moser is 47-22 at home during his time at OU which sounds nice, but peel back the layers and you'll see his home conference record is 17-19. Why would you expect fans to show up to big games when we can't even win half of them at home? He hasn't beaten Texas at home in four years. Hell he lost to Sam Houston State at home. How can anyone defend that?

Three hall of fame coaches. I agree. If we can find a hall of fame coach to take over the reins, let's do it.

Again. If our fanbase is so bad that we need Final Four and Elite Eight runs from hall of fame coaches for them to get excited, that says a lot about our fanbase. And I'll also repeat that our fanbase was NOT excited about Kelvin. And really never has shown up in droves outside of the occasional Kansas/Texas/Oklahoma State game. (I remember being in a half-full LNC for Kenyon Martin back in the day)

 

[TINY]

There is no acceptable excuse to be behind Vanderbilt in attendance.

 

[WTSooner]

and Moser having no (or worse a negative ) connection with the fan base ..

Whether you believe it's deserved or not, that the opinion of a large portion of the fan base.

It's one of the biggest reasons I think moving on from Moser is needed. No way the crowd shows up early next season if Moser is back. He has to know/see that. Why would he want to be here?

 

[IndySooner]

Whether you believe it's deserved or not, that the opinion of a large portion of the fan base.

It's one of the biggest reasons I think moving on from Moser is needed. No way the crowd shows up early next season if Moser is back. He has to know/see that. Why would he want to be here?

And it says more about the fanbase than it does him.

 

[cbertus6]

Three hall of fame coaches. I agree. If we can find a hall of fame coach to take over the reins, let's do it.

Again. If our fanbase is so bad that we need Final Four and Elite Eight runs from hall of fame coaches for them to get excited, that says a lot about our fanbase. And I'll also repeat that our fanbase was NOT excited about Kelvin. And really never has shown up in droves outside of the occasional Kansas/Texas/Oklahoma State game. (I remember being in a half-full LNC for Kenyon Martin back in the day)

Since when was Capel a hall of fame coach? And if Lon gets put in the hall, it'll be from his longevity and taking so many schools to the dance - not because he was ever considered a crazy elite coach. He was also well past his prime during his time at OU.

I don't think our fans need Final Fours or Elite Eights to show up. They just need like a 65-70% home conference win percentage, making the tournament 3 out of 4 years, and an occasional Sweet 16. Oh... and beating our biggest rival at home might help too. None of those things are unreasonable expectations and Moser has been nowhere close to those during his entire time here.

Blame NIL, blame the arena, blame the donors, blame the fans. Anyone but the guy responsible for coaching the team to a 36% win percentage in conference.