Dead Last in SEC Attendance

IndySooner said:
I think it’s very relevant. This fanbase will turn on any coach very quickly.
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You're crazy for this narrative if you think OU basketball fans are tougher on coaches than most fan bases. Texas just fired a guy (rightfully so) who made three tourneys in three years. A vocal minority of KU fans want to move on from Self -- a two-time champ, HOFer, and one of the best coaches ever. KSU fans are on Tang. Tommy Lloyd was getting heat before this season for not getting it done in the tourney. All fan bases do this. That doesn't mean it's wrong when it comes to Moser.
 
WichitaSooner said:
You're crazy for this narrative if you think OU basketball fans are tougher on coaches than most fan bases. Texas just fired a guy (rightfully so) who made three tourneys in three years. A vocal minority of KU fans want to move on from Self -- a two-time champ, HOFer, and one of the best coaches ever. KSU fans are on Tang. Tommy Lloyd was getting heat before this season for not getting it done in the tourney. All fan bases do this. That doesn't mean it's wrong when it comes to Moser.
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I think it’s fair to call ou basketball fans expectations pretty unreasonable when they are dead last in attendance, dead last in arena, bottom 2 in NIL in conference.
It is hard to compare ou to ku, Zona, and now trxas during the NIL era.

On the other hand, I think ou should have already fired the football coach. The expectations are much greater for ou football than basketball.
 
TINY said:
I think it’s fair to call ou basketball fans expectations pretty unreasonable when they are dead last in attendance, dead last in arena, bottom 2 in NIL in conference.
It is hard to compare ou to ku, Zona, and now trxas during the NIL era.

On the other hand, I think ou should have already fired the football coach. The expectations are much greater for ou football than basketball.
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Except OU football didn’t have NIL until this year, either.
 
IndySooner said:
Except OU football didn’t have NIL until this year, either.
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HAHAHA is this also from your sources? Because most sources, including those who are VERY friendly to Venables, have indicated we had top 10 or 15 NIL last season. JFC the length some of you will go to in order to avoid calling out bad coaching when it is staring you in the face.
 
IndySooner said:
Except OU football didn’t have NIL until this year, either.
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Ou had a lot more to offer than the dregs of the big 12 that he lost to with regularity, though. Throw in Navy and Arizona, too. That’s just really bad coaching.
 
The dreadful home performances are hard to ignore as a factor in this, but are we really going to argue OU has SEC-level fan support in any sport outside of softball?

Football is close, but not great as it relates to the SEC.
 
colston15 said:
The dreadful home performances are hard to ignore as a factor in this, but are we really going to argue OU has SEC-level fan support in any sport outside of softball?

Football is close, but not great as it relates to the SEC.
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football is top notch including the sec .. but other then that and softball no is the answer
 
WTSooner said:
Whether you believe it's deserved or not, that the opinion of a large portion of the fan base.

It's one of the biggest reasons I think moving on from Moser is needed. No way the crowd shows up early next season if Moser is back. He has to know/see that. Why would he want to be here?
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Because he’s getting paid $3mm+ annually and has a large buyout if he stays. He’s doing just fine from a financial perspective. That’s more of a literal/sarcastic answer to your question.
 
BoulderSooner said:
this is a different thing (not having nil and not having NIL needed to win a national championship are not the same thing )

OU has been in the top 20 of NIL in Football ALWAYS ... and really much much higher then that ..
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We were so far behind at the beginning. And even if we were Top 20 (we weren’t) since when is Top 20 for anything OU football anything worth being happy with?
 
IndySooner said:
We were so far behind at the beginning. And even if we were Top 20 (we weren’t) since when is Top 20 for anything OU football anything worth being happy with?
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Is it possible - and I know it's a crazy concept so hear me out here - that Joe C has not been great as an AD in the new era of collegiate sports AND Moser/BV have underperformed in their roles given what have transpired under their watches? To be clear, I'm not out on BV just yet depending on how things go this coming season. But Moser? I've seen enough.
 
cbertus6 said:
Is it possible - and I know it's a crazy concept so hear me out here - that Joe C has not been great as an AD in the new era of collegiate sports AND Moser/BV have underperformed in their roles given what have transpired under their watches? To be clear, I'm not out on BV just yet depending on how things go this coming season. But Moser? I've seen enough.
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ding ding ding we have a winner ...
 
BoulderSooner said:
football is top notch including the sec .. but other then that and softball no is the answer
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Football isn't as good as you might think.

Rarely sell out any game other than the really big ones. A lot of no-shows to all but the best games. Not very much demand for selling tickets on the open market.

I mean, it's way better than Vandy or probably Kentucky, but even schools like Tennessee and Ole Miss make us look pretty stupid.
 
cbertus6 said:
To be clear, I'm not out on BV just yet depending on how things go this coming season. But Moser? I've seen enough.
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Vulnerables is closer to John Blake than he is to Gary Gibbs. He probably should have been fired after going 6-7 with one of the easiest schedules in school history in year 1. Vulnerables has had 2 pathetic schedules and still couldn’t come close to meeting expectations. At least Moser has the excuse of having been in the hardest conference every year.
 
WTSooner said:
Football isn't as good as you might think.

Rarely sell out any game other than the really big ones. A lot of no-shows to all but the best games. Not very much demand for selling tickets on the open market.

I mean, it's way better than Vandy or probably Kentucky, but even schools like Tennessee and Ole Miss make us look pretty stupid.
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Ou has like a 25 year sellout streak for football.
 
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