Difference from last year vs K-State?

[61sooner]

Didn't OU beat K-State twice last year. What is the difference this year? OU seems to have a better team than '11-'12 but losses twice to K-State. The shooting was horrendous today and just a bit better at the line would meant a V.

 

[Swans]

If we hit the front end of our 1&1s, we most likley win.

 

[opsooner]

Fitzgerald had a huge game against them in Norman last year. Pledger had big games both times - especially at KSU. They lock down much better this year.

 

[sys]

90% luck, 10% kstate's point guard is a year older.

 

[jerry]

Weber is a better coach all the way around than Frank Martin.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Weber is a better coach all the way around than Frank Martin.

Yes, I agree with this.

Martin is a great recruiter but a little better than average coach. I like him a lot, but Weber is the better coach.

However, Weber is a HORRID recruiter. Look at his career, his best years were with rosters he inherited. His worst were teams he recruited. In 4 years, KSU will be an average talented team but will be a winning team and play in the postseason most years. The years they make the NCAA tourney, they will be an 8 or higher seed (8-12).

 

[StatGeek]

Yes, I agree with this.

Martin is a great recruiter but a little better than average coach. I like him a lot, but Weber is the better coach.

However, Weber is a HORRID recruiter. Look at his career, his best years were with rosters he inherited. His worst were teams he recruited. In 4 years, KSU will be an average talented team but will be a winning team and play in the postseason most years. The years they make the NCAA tourney, they will be an 8 or higher seed (8-12).

I think this analysis is pretty solid.

 

[KBaden145]

Not much to do with last season. Both are completely different teams. They are a bit stronger in most areas of their game than we are in ours. They are much better at PG and rebounding the basketball than we are right now. Their D tonight was awesome. I imagine we will look very similar to this KState team inside of 2 years. Very good defensively, efficient offensively, rebound really well and be a solid top 15-20 team in the nation. I don't think there much doubt they are the 2nd best team in the conference and the race is now for 3rd. Tough loss but onward and upward. Tough one coming at Ames.

 

[sys]

weber had more higher rated recruits at illinois than martin had at kstate. basically every year. so if you're going to call martin a better recruiter, what you mean is a better talent evaluator.

which is entirely possible.

 

[Big Old Booger]

weber had more higher rated recruits at illinois than martin had at kstate. basically every year. so if you're going to call martin a better recruiter, what you mean is a better talent evaluator.

which is entirely possible.

Illinois is easier to recruit to than KSU and most years Illinois will have a better recruiting class.

Illinois is much more populous than Kansas with more inner-city kids than Kansas and like it or not for us Big 12 fans, the Big 10 is a better basketball conference.

So, I stand by my analysis that Weber won't recruit as well to KSU as he did to Illinois and KSU will take a step back over the next 3-4 years. They won't be the 2nd best team in the conference but more like the 5th or 6th.

 

[bgrch1350]

Illinois is easier to recruit to than KSU and most years Illinois will have a better recruiting class.

Illinois is much more populous than Kansas with more inner-city kids than Kansas and like it or not for us Big 12 fans, the Big 10 is a better basketball conference.

So, I stand by my analysis that Weber won't recruit as well to KSU as he did to Illinois and KSU will take a step back over the next 3-4 years. They won't be the 2nd best team in the conference but more like the 5th or 6th.

Weber can recruit. The last 3 years at Illinois he has some solid recruiting classes. Its obvious that he won't recruit as well at K-St as he did at Illinois...but that doesn't mean he can't be a better recruiter than Martin. Weber has proven so far that he's a better coach than Martin b/c Weber has been to the National Championship game...and not very many coaches can say that. And Weber might be able to bring some of those Illinois kids to Manhattan.

 

[sanguinetti]

weber had more higher rated recruits at illinois than martin had at kstate. basically every year. so if you're going to call martin a better recruiter, what you mean is a better talent evaluator.

which is entirely possible.

not sure that is true. only reason Martin got the KSU job was to keep Huggy's top post Beasley recruits on board. wally judge, pullen, etc.

 

[Sawyer]

Weber's style might fit better at ksu than it did at Illinois. He landed some high-profile recruits at Illinois, but they didn't really translate well to the system he runs. Seemed like he felt pressure to go after the in-state 4-star types regardless of fit. That won't be an issue at ksu.

He'll probably sign classes closer to the star ratings of his SIU teams, but they'll work better in his motion offense than what he was able to sign at Illinois.

As for Martin... overrated recruiter (and IMO a likely cheater; he has a history, and with much lower stakes involved) and overrated coach (intimidates his players into playing defense and rebounding but can't coach besides that).

 

[Sawyer]

not sure that is true. only reason Martin got the KSU job was to keep Huggy's top post Beasley recruits on board. wally judge, pullen, etc.

Most of those recruits were Dalonte Hill recruits. Martin was the lead on Pullen, but he was not the primary recruiter for Huggins. That's why they ended up paying Hill an absurd amount to stay on as an assistant.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Weber can recruit. The last 3 years at Illinois he has some solid recruiting classes. Its obvious that he won't recruit as well at K-St as he did at Illinois...but that doesn't mean he can't be a better recruiter than Martin. Weber has proven so far that he's a better coach than Martin b/c Weber has been to the National Championship game...and not very many coaches can say that. And Weber might be able to bring some of those Illinois kids to Manhattan.

I don't know that it proved much considering the entire roster he inherited and all of those players were either recruited to IU by Self with a couple of Kruger leftovers, too.

Martin was very close to advancing to the Final 4 but lost in OT to Butler, the same Butler team that lost to Duke on a last second shot for the NC. However, Martin is foremost a recruiter as opposed to an x's and o's coach. He had a good staff to help him at KSU.

 

[sys]

Weber has proven so far that he's a better coach than Martin b/c Weber has been to the National Championship game...and not very many coaches can say that.

weber has had better years than martin has ever had, and he's had worse years than martin has ever had.

i'm not sure if that says that he's a more inconsistent coach, or just that he's coached longer. and as another poster already stated, his best years were when he was coaching players recruited by a previous coach (not just with self, he also did well with inherited players at siu, and now at kstate). that's a strange pattern, and the only explanation that makes much sense to me is that i should worry about his ability to identify talent.