Dildy to Duke

[Boom Soon]

No one is saying it wasn't a smart move by Dildy. But it hurts our program to constantly lose assistants, regardless of why they are leaving. It's the same in any profession -- experience and continuity matter. If you run a law firm or an accounting office or a bank and constantly have new employees with no institutional knowledge or ties to the company, it takes time to get them up to speed.

I remember a lot of posters suggesting that a reason for the downturn during Lon's last five years was the loss of Hill and Henson. People felt that they never were the same after that. Lon was a very experienced and successful coach, so I don't know how much truth there was to that. But it seems weird that some of the same people are acting like there is nothing to worry about now, with far more turnover in a much shorter period.

I agree with this.

 

[TINY]

I remember a lot of posters suggesting that a reason for the downturn during Lon's last five years was the loss of Hill and Henson. People felt that they never were the same after that. Lon was a very experienced and successful coach, so I don't know how much truth there was to that. But it seems weird that some of the same people are acting like there is nothing to worry about now, with far more turnover in a much shorter period.

Are you going to give him a chance to hire another coach before you complain? So far, he has been doing a good job of hiring talented assistants. I bet he can do it again…

 

[Boom Soon]

This is why, imo, last season was so critical. There needed to be a sense of improvement, stability, progress, etc. within the program. And we got the complete opposite. I'm not saying Dildy stays if OU makes the tourney last year, but there's a feeling of digression and this certainly doesn't help. Players are a revolving door, coaches are a revolving door.. it can't be healthy.

It sounds like Moser is redesigning the offense for next year. That's great if he's got a good group of assistant coaches around him. In fact, I hope that he shows that he's able to adapt to the Big 12/SEC. BUT, now he's gotta redesign the offense, implement it and search for an assistant coach. I don't envy him, but I'm definitely not optimistic about next year.

 

[Boom Soon]

Are you going to give him a chance to hire another coach before you complain? So far, he has been doing a good job of hiring talented assistants. I bet he can do it again…

I'm not sure we can label the assistant coaches any type of way until they've been in the program long enough to make a difference.

 

[TINY]

I'm not sure we can label the assistant coaches any type of way until they've been in the program long enough to make a difference.

That is true.

The market is talking, though. So far his assistants have left for head coaching jobs, promotions, and job offers to blue bloods. None have taken lateral moves.

 

[CoachTalk]

I'm not sure we can label the assistant coaches any type of way until they've been in the program long enough to make a difference.

You’d be wrong. 1-3 they are ranked.

 

[WaymanFan]

Here is the bigger concern in my eyes. All I've heard are rumors, but perhaps someone on here like Coach would be able to give a straight answer to this question: "Is Coach Moser A) more likely to empower his assistants to bring their skill sets to the table and do their jobs or B) micromanage his assistants to follow his instructions?"

Someone like Nick Saban can get away with falling under choice "B", but most head coaches in any sport this day and age will not be able to retain good assistants for very long with that outdated mindset.

 

[Seymore Cox]

The good news keeps on coming.

I realize people will spin this and continue arguing that all/most the assistants who have left have done so for promotions, etc. But whatever slim chance Moser has of building a respectable program decreases each time he loses a coach late in the offseason. KU has had tons of stability in their assistant coaches. Baylor, even before it became an elite program, kept a lot of their guys for many years. Meanwhile, we are a revolving door. Yay us.

That’s the old “stay ahead of getting fired” move.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Are you going to give him a chance to hire another coach before you complain? So far, he has been doing a good job of hiring talented assistants. I bet he can do it again…

They aren't good hires for OU if they never stay. If I hire the best contractor in the city to build a house, but he leaves before he comes close to finishing the job, that isn't a good hire. Just because these guys are "talented" doesn't mean that they are helping our program. That's especially so if their strengths are recruiting and player development, because those things take time to bear fruit. I'd rather he hire an older guy who can help him with in-game strategy, and who may stick around long enough to have to renew his OK license plate.

 

[skyvue]

It seems that either Coach Moser is difficult to work with or he has an exceptional gift for recognizing coaching talent.

 

[Boom Soon]

You’d be wrong. 1-3 they are ranked.

I'm not sure ranking of assistant coaches matters considering there are so many variables program to program. I think 15-17 would support waiting on making judgements on any OU assistant coach.

 

[CoachTalk]

I'm not sure ranking of assistant coaches matters considering there are so many variables program to program. I think 15-17 would support waiting on making judgements on any OU assistant coach.

You can do that but Duke and Kentucky think they are good enough. They judged and thought Porter picks great ones.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

They aren't good hires for OU if they never stay. If I hire the best contractor in the city to build a house, but he leaves before he comes close to finishing the job, that isn't a good hire. Just because these guys are "talented" doesn't mean that they are helping our program. That's especially so if their strengths are recruiting and player development, because those things take time to bear fruit. I'd rather he hire an older guy who can help him with in-game strategy, and who may stick around long enough to have to renew his OK license plate.

Disagree to an extent. It is a bit of revisionist history to claim a hire is bad based on the length of time they are with the team.

 

[Eielson]

UK's longest tenured assistant coach -- 3 years. Calipari must be awful.

Duke has had somebody for 5 years, so Scheyer must be a more pleasant person. The others were hired within the last year, though, so he should probably be on the hot seat.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Disagree to an extent. It is a bit of revisionist history to claim a hire is bad based on the length of time they are with the team.

It isn't revisionist history to argue that the man hiring these coaches should have a very good idea of whether they plan to stick around or bounce as soon as another school comes calling. Especially since Moser constantly preaches about wanting stability and long-term sustainability in a program.

There are two options here: Moser is hiring guys he expects to lose after a year or two, or he is surprised this is happening. If it's the former, it is a very silly approach to take when you haven't yet established a winning culture that can withstand this kind of turnover. If it's the latter, he isn't doing his homework before hiring them.

 

[TINY]

So the coach should aim to hire mediocre assistants that no one else wants for the sake of continuity? That is certainly an “idea”.

 

[Eielson]

So the coach should aim to hire mediocre assistants that no one else wants for the sake of continuity? That is certainly an “idea”.

You could always hire an unambitious 60 year old white guy and hope that he doesn't say anything racist.

 

[CoachTalk]

There are about 10 maybe 20 asst coaches that might… say no to Duke. Maybe!

Once again. Some have no clue about coaching especially assistant coaching in the NCAA.

 

[WichitaSooner]

So the coach should aim to hire mediocre assistants that no one else wants for the sake of continuity? That is certainly an “idea”.

Who said mediocre? Were Baylor’ s guys mediocre? Kansas? The guys on Kelvin’s staff? All the other assistants across the country who have stayed at one place for a long time?

But gosh, thank goodness we had such great assistants. We would have really struggled to win games in our league with a “mediocre” staff.

 

[WichitaSooner]

There are about 10 maybe 20 asst coaches that might… say no to Duke. Maybe!

Once again. Some have no clue about coaching especially assistant coaching in the NCAA.

Once again, you can’t fully read posts and comprehend. Not a single person on this thread has suggested he should have turned them down, or that losing a coach to Duke in and of itself is alarming. You just blow off the fact that it’s a trend and we have lost a ton of coaches in two years.

But hey, I don’t coach college, so what do I know?