Dildy to Duke

WichitaSooner said:
Not a single person on this thread has suggested...that losing a coach to Duke in and of itself is alarming.
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Great, it's settled. Dildy going to Duke isn't alarming.

This offseason can't end soon enough.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Once again, you can’t fully read posts and comprehend. Not a single person on this thread has suggested he should have turned them down, or that losing a coach to Duke in and of itself is alarming. You just blow off the fact that it’s a trend and we have lost a ton of coaches in two years.

But hey, I don’t coach college, so what do I know?
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What trend?

Sac state guy took a head coach and $500k pay cut to do so… But he wanted to be a HC
Turner took uk
Dildy took Duke.

Old dude had an affair he got fired.

What is alarming? Sure sucks. I can completely understand it sucks! He’s a grinder. Some don’t like that.

Timing is awful!!! But Celtics stole so Duke stole.

Ku Baylor staffs are unique. I give you that. Those are more old school 1 job for a long time like the older generations.
 
WichitaSooner said:
It isn't revisionist history to argue that the man hiring these coaches should have a very good idea of whether they plan to stick around or bounce as soon as another school comes calling. Especially since Moser constantly preaches about wanting stability and long-term sustainability in a program.

There are two options here: Moser is hiring guys he expects to lose after a year or two, or he is surprised this is happening. If it's the former, it is a very silly approach to take when you haven't yet established a winning culture that can withstand this kind of turnover. If it's the latter, he isn't doing his homework before hiring them.
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No offense but this is ridiculous
 
CoachTalk said:
What trend?

Sac state guy took a head coach and $500k pay cut to do so… But he wanted to be a HC
Turner took uk
Dildy took Duke.

Old dude had an affair he got fired.

What is alarming? Sure sucks. I can completely understand it sucks! He’s a grinder. Some don’t like that.

Timing is awful!!! But Celtics stole so Duke stole.

Ku Baylor staffs are unique. I give you that. Those are more old school 1 job for a long time like the older generations.
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There is nothing alarming like you said. However, it doesn't appear anyone has the answer for my question listed near the top of this second page. That will determine how things will play out going forward since Coach Moser has now been a head coach for two years at the high D-1 level (so there is now enough of a sample size of his coaching style as a boss).
 
CoachTalk said:
What trend?

Sac state guy took a head coach and $500k pay cut to do so… But he wanted to be a HC
Turner took uk
Dildy took Duke.

Old dude had an affair he got fired.

What is alarming? Sure sucks. I can completely understand it sucks! He’s a grinder. Some don’t like that.

Timing is awful!!! But Celtics stole so Duke stole.

Ku Baylor staffs are unique. I give you that. Those are more old school 1 job for a long time like the older generations.
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IOf course the specifics vary … not every assistant left for the exact same position or reason. That will never be the case. But they all left, and they all left in short order. If Humph were to leave tomorrow, I’m sure you could find a way to distinguish the precise circumstances, too, but it would still be the continuation of a theme.

And as I argued yesterday, if Moser can’t keep the younger coaches, then perhaps it’s time he hire a more experienced coach who can help him more during games. I mean, anyone who can design some BLOB plays or help us inbound the ball against any form of backcourt pressure would be welcome, especially if it’s a guy who wants to stick around.
 
All this shows is that Porter has an eye for coaching talent. Patrick, Turner, and Dildy have strengths in recruiting and relationships which is what OU needs. It will become a disturbing trend when coaches leave for lateral moves or moves that are a step down. Until then, there is no reason to get mad that our head coach is hiring coaches that blue bloods would also want.

Not only did Turner and Dildy leave for blue bloods, they also left for significant raises. Turner left for a 25% raise in year 1, and would be making $150k more this season at Kentucky then he would have at OU. Duke is a private institution, so salaries aren't public, but Dildy is making a lot more...it's Duke. I can't remember the last time the OU board of regents had an emergency session to raise an assistant coaches salary to match a competing offer, especially for basketball.

Think the Baylor and KU comps are baseless. Jerome Tang was coaching small town high school basketball when Drew hired him. He had no choice but to stay. Norm Roberts left KU, became a head coach at St. John's and is now back on staff.

Porter's next assistant should not only be in the same mold of Patrick, Turner, and Dildy but also have a connection to the program so they might be in for the long haul -- Quannas White or Hollis Price. Hard pass on older assistants like Pooh Williamson or Jim Molinari - we'll be stuck on the treadmill of mediocrity forever.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Who said mediocre? Were Baylor’ s guys mediocre? Kansas? The guys on Kelvin’s staff? All the other assistants across the country who have stayed at one place for a long time?

But gosh, thank goodness we had such great assistants. We would have really struggled to win games in our league with a “mediocre” staff.
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One guy Baylor hired ended up staying a long time and was a good assistant but was a HS guy with a mediocre rep among TX high school coaches and didn't have a degree when he was hired. Worked out well for them.

They hired another guy and paid him six figures just to bring John Wall there and he couldn't get that done....stayed a year or two and was out.

Usually guys who stay along time as an asst are guys who are tight with the head coach (long time friends, etc). A lot of the young guys are looking to move up quickly through the ranks. They're hired guns who stay somewhere a couple of years and look to move up. You see it a lot in the coaching world. It's part of the game and the life. Most people who have never been in it don't really know or understand it. It is what it is...and it has gotten worse over the years. It's almost like an AAU mentality. A lot of young coaches today think they should be head coaches right away and move a lot trying to move up quick.

I'd like to see some stability but the real stability in a program comes from the head coach. Assistants come and go. I'd like to see Moser have a couple really good assistants for a while too. Maybe he's tough to work for. I've known several guys who were. Maybe guys are just looking for the next jump. As long as he can replace them with quality guys I'm ok.
 
It probably shows more about the program as a whole than about PM.
We are a stepping stone school now.
Need more investment into bball
 
allday92 said:
All this shows is that Porter has an eye for coaching talent. Patrick, Turner, and Dildy have strengths in recruiting and relationships which is what OU needs. It will become a disturbing trend when coaches leave for lateral moves or moves that are a step down. Until then, there is no reason to get mad that our head coach is hiring coaches that blue bloods would also want.

Not only did Turner and Dildy leave for blue bloods, they also left for significant raises. Turner left for a 25% raise in year 1, and would be making $150k more this season at Kentucky then he would have at OU. Duke is a private institution, so salaries aren't public, but Dildy is making a lot more...it's Duke. I can't remember the last time the OU board of regents had an emergency session to raise an assistant coaches salary to match a competing offer, especially for basketball.

Think the Baylor and KU comps are baseless. Jerome Tang was coaching small town high school basketball when Drew hired him. He had no choice but to stay. Norm Roberts left KU, became a head coach at St. John's and is now back on staff.

Porter's next assistant should not only be in the same mold of Patrick, Turner, and Dildy but also have a connection to the program so they might be in for the long haul -- Quannas White or Hollis Price. Hard pass on older assistants like Pooh Williamson or Jim Molinari - we'll be stuck on the treadmill of mediocrity forever.
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Wow -- that's some kind of spin.

I'm just trying to keep track of all the thing PM is great at. So far, we have had various posters praise him for: his high school recruiting; his portal recruiting; his offensive system; and. now, his ability to hire great assistants. So I guess with great players, a great system, and a great staff, it's no wonder we managed to win 5 of 19 conference games last season, and almost beat Sam Houston State!
 
WichitaSooner said:
Wow -- that's some kind of spin.

I'm just trying to keep track of all the thing PM is great at. So far, we have had various posters praise him for: his high school recruiting; his portal recruiting; his offensive system; and. now, his ability to hire great assistants. So I guess with great players, a great system, and a great staff, it's no wonder we managed to win 5 of 19 conference games last season, and almost beat Sam Houston State!
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I'll never understand the fascination of the sam houston state loss by you and a few others. Aside from it being the first game of the season (tons of odd upsets around the country generally), it was a last second loss against a decent team. No they aren't great, but they were a top 50 team in bpi, top 75 in kenpom, top 55 in rpi. by many metrics, they were rated a better team than we were at the end of the season.
 
NorthCarolinaSooner said:
One guy Baylor hired ended up staying a long time and was a good assistant but was a HS guy with a mediocre rep among TX high school coaches and didn't have a degree when he was hired. Worked out well for them.

They hired another guy and paid him six figures just to bring John Wall there and he couldn't get that done....stayed a year or two and was out.

Usually guys who stay along time as an asst are guys who are tight with the head coach (long time friends, etc). A lot of the young guys are looking to move up quickly through the ranks. They're hired guns who stay somewhere a couple of years and look to move up. You see it a lot in the coaching world. It's part of the game and the life. Most people who have never been in it don't really know or understand it. It is what it is...and it has gotten worse over the years. It's almost like an AAU mentality. A lot of young coaches today think they should be head coaches right away and move a lot trying to move up quick.

I'd like to see some stability but the real stability in a program comes from the head coach. Assistants come and go. I'd like to see Moser have a couple really good assistants for a while too. Maybe he's tough to work for. I've known several guys who were. Maybe guys are just looking for the next jump. As long as he can replace them with quality guys I'm ok.
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Tang: 19 years
Mills: 14 years
Driscoll: 6 years
McCasland: 5 years

All of them left for head coaching jobs. And again, these guys were there (and stayed for a long time) well before Baylor became an elite program. I have read several articles about their time there, and every one of them emphasizes one thing: it didn't feel like they worked for Drew, it felt like they worked with him. He gave them all a lot of responsibility and trusted them.

I have no clue how Moser is with his assistants during practice or off the floor. But his in-game coaching paints a picture of someone who doesn't like giving up much control to anyone. If that's how he is 24/7, I can see it being a tough working environment for assistants.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
I'll never understand the fascination of the sam houston state loss by you and a few others. Aside from it being the first game of the season (tons of odd upsets around the country generally), it was a last second loss against a decent team. No they aren't great, but they were a top 50 team in bpi, top 75 in kenpom, top 55 in rpi. by many metrics, they were rated a better team than we were at the end of the season.
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That last sentence makes my point better than I could make it myself. If the premise is that we shouldn't be so bummed to have blown a big lead and lost at home to SH because they were actually the better team, that says an awful lot about (a) the state of our program, and (b) how far the expectations of the fans have fallen.
 
WichitaSooner said:
That last sentence makes my point better than I could make it myself. If the premise is that we shouldn't be so bummed to have blown a big lead and lost at home to SH because they were actually the better team, that says an awful lot about (a) the state of our program, and (b) how far the expectations of the fans have fallen.
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i think we all agree the state of the program is bad and not acceptable.

But again, hanging onto the sam houston loss is just odd....even if we were a ranked team it isn't something to gripe about. Games like that happen early in the season in college basketball to really good teams
 
WichitaSooner said:
The good news keeps on coming.

I realize people will spin this and continue arguing that all/most the assistants who have left have done so for promotions, etc. But whatever slim chance Moser has of building a respectable program decreases each time he loses a coach late in the offseason. KU has had tons of stability in their assistant coaches. Baylor, even before it became an elite program, kept a lot of their guys for many years. Meanwhile, we are a revolving door. Yay us.
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I live in KC and absolutely HATE ku ball...

but to your point...maybe they are like Cale Gundy....just really enjoy being an assistant making great money on a great program but don't have to put up with the bs of a HC...just a thought.
 
Could it be that when an assistant isn't sure about job security, that is the head coach is on a hot griddle seat, better to get out ahead of the situation rather than suddenly find yourself unemployed.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
i think we all agree the state of the program is bad and not acceptable.

But again, hanging onto the sam houston loss is just odd....even if we were a ranked team it isn't something to gripe about. Games like that happen early in the season in college basketball to really good teams
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Dead wrong here. At ou, we dont know lose to SHSU
 
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