Dildy to Duke

[SoonerBounce13]

Dead wrong here. At ou, we dont know lose to SHSU

You don’t pay attention to early season college bball

 

[WichitaSooner]

You don’t pay attention to early season college bball

You’re comparing applies to oranges. A good (ranked) team getting upset early in the season … yes, that does happen, and it usually isn’t that big a deal in the long run. But our loss to them was a big deal precisely because, as you yourself noted, Sam Houston was likely a better team than we were. That’s the unacceptable part, and it’s why that loss was so telling.

The other thing I’d say about that game is that the way we lost was brutal. Moser had spent the offseason talking about two main goals: cutting down turnovers, and executing better down the stretch. Yet they failed miserably in both categories in blowing a double digit lead late. Not being able to succeed in the areas that you’ve spent an entire offseason working on … it was a terrible start to the season. And it didn’t turn out to be an aberration.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

You’re comparing applies to oranges. A good (ranked) team getting upset early in the season … yes, that does happen, and it usually isn’t that big a deal in the long run. But our loss to them was a big deal precisely because, as you yourself noted, Sam Houston was likely a better team than we were. That’s the unacceptable part, and it’s why that loss was so telling.

The other thing I’d say about that game is that the way we lost was brutal. Moser had spent the offseason talking about two main goals: cutting down turnovers, and executing better down the stretch. Yet they failed miserably in both categories in blowing a double digit lead late. Not being able to succeed in the areas that you’ve spent an entire offseason working on … it was a terrible start to the season. And it didn’t turn out to be an aberration.

So losing to a bad team is ok when you are a good team but not when you are a bad team

Makes perfect sense lol

 

[allday92]

Sam Houston St finished 73rd in KenPom this year. SFA finished 70th in KenPom the year they beat us. It may be a bad loss based on the team name, but they both brought good and veteran squads to Norman.

 

[steverocks35]

Sam Houston St finished 73rd in KenPom this year. SFA finished 70th in KenPom the year they beat us. It may be a bad loss based on the team name, but they both brought good and veteran squads to Norman.

Do you think KU or Duke fans would rationalize a horrible loss like this?

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Every year there are bad losses across the country....we were an average team last year with some good wins and some confusing losses. It happens.

It isn't reserved to just Oklahoma. Duke has had a few over the years, including losses to Mercer and Lehigh on the biggest stage. I saw that Mercer team up close and they were pretty good but they should not have beaten Duke.

I get it...people who want to get rid of Moser want to highlight the bad losses and blow off the successes (i.e. the beat down of Bama). Everyone can focus on whatever games they want to use for their argument. We all want the same thing in the end (more success). Hopefully we start to see more consistency this year.

 

[OkieTC]

Well said. So tired of all the negativity from certain posters. I personally had hoped to replace Moser at the end of last season, even though I kind of like him, but….we didn’t. So let’s see how this seasons team looks after 5-6 games before we start up all the negative talk. I too wish we had picked up a prototype 4 man, but…we didn’t. So let’s see what the guys we did get do. I actually am excited and hopeful that we might see a more athletic and up tempo team this season that maybe wins some of the close ones we lost last year. If we don’t, then let the haters hate.

 

[WichitaSooner]

So losing to a bad team is ok when you are a good team but not when you are a bad team

Makes perfect sense lol

Yes, it does make sense. Flukes happen. If you have one clunker in a long season, that’s understandable. When you are bad for an entire season like we were, that’s clearly worse than having one or two bad nights. Is that a difficult concept?

 

[WichitaSooner]

Every year there are bad losses across the country....we were an average team last year with some good wins and some confusing losses. It happens.

It isn't reserved to just Oklahoma. Duke has had a few over the years, including losses to Mercer and Lehigh on the biggest stage. I saw that Mercer team up close and they were pretty good but they should not have beaten Duke.

I get it...people who want to get rid of Moser want to highlight the bad losses and blow off the successes (i.e. the beat down of Bama). Everyone can focus on whatever games they want to use for their argument. We all want the same thing in the end (more success). Hopefully we start to see more consistency this year.

At least those Duke teams made it to the biggest stage. And I don’t have to focus on one game. I’ll focus on the fact we played 32 games and lost more than we won. Or the fact that we lost 14 of 19 against our league. I mention Sam Houston because it’s especially embarrassing, but I’d be just as happy to cover all the other games. But man I get warm feelings thinking about that Bama game.

 

[Eielson]

Do you think KU or Duke fans would rationalize a horrible loss like this?

I feel like I'm as high as anybody on how historically good OU's basketball program is, but comparing our basketball to KU and Duke is silly.

Nobody is happy with the SHSU loss. Just like we weren't happy with either of the two preceding coaches losing to SFA or the time Lon's squad got run off the court by UT-Arlington.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

At least those Duke teams made it to the biggest stage. And I don’t have to focus on one game. I’ll focus on the fact we played 32 games and lost more than we won. Or the fact that we lost 14 of 19 against our league. I mention Sam Houston because it’s especially embarrassing, but I’d be just as happy to cover all the other games. But man I get warm feelings thinking about that Bama game.

Everyone here gets that you hate Moser like he slept with your wife but man, it has to be hard work looking at EVERYTHING through negative views like that. I'm teasing of course but dude...try to overlook your dislike of Moser to seethe few positives and try to hope for better this year.

Last year sucked....his first year wasn't nearly as bad...I'm hoping this year is a shade better than year one and a LOT better than year two.

 

[mict085]

I wasn’t happy about the Sam Houston loss but I was more unhappy about the 15 losses after that one. It’s not any one game. It’s the sum total which hasn’t been good under moser. If we miss the tourney again, he should be fired. He probably won’t be, but he should be.

 

[pnkranger]

I wasn’t happy about the Sam Houston loss but I was more unhappy about the 15 losses after that one. It’s not any one game. It’s the sum total which hasn’t been good under moser. If we miss the tourney again, he should be fired. He probably won’t be, but he should be.

Anything less than the tournament, and he should be fired. Can’t go three years here without an NCAA tournament. That simple.

 

[Seymore Cox]

Could it be that when an assistant isn't sure about job security, that is the head coach is on a hot griddle seat, better to get out ahead of the situation rather than suddenly find yourself unemployed.

That’s all it is. These guys are having a circular debate about nothing. Hell, that’s how he ended up at OU, because he thought Collins was going to get fired at Northwestern.

 

[steverocks35]

I feel like I'm as high as anybody on how historically good OU's basketball program is, but comparing our basketball to KU and Duke is silly.

Nobody is happy with the SHSU loss. Just like we weren't happy with either of the two preceding coaches losing to SFA or the time Lon's squad got run off the court by UT-Arlington.

That's my point. Great programs don't make excuses.

 

[WTSooner]

We weren't an average team. You don't make a comment like that by comparing us to the other 300 (or whatever) D1 teams out there. You compare us to our peers. That is either the Big 12 or at the very least, the P5 conference teams.

Based on NET, here is where we stood:
10th out of 10 in the Big 12
8th out of 15 in the ACC
12th out of 14 in the Big 10
5th out of 12 in the PAC
9th out of 14 in the SEC

Out of those P5 conference teams, we'd be 39th out of 65. If you divide that into three three groups of 20 (Good, Average, Bad), we're at the very bottom of Average.

 

[BCSooners]

We weren't an average team. You don't make a comment like that by comparing us to the other 300 (or whatever) D1 teams out there. You compare us to our peers. That is either the Big 12 or at the very least, the P5 conference teams.

Based on NET, here is where we stood:
10th out of 10 in the Big 12
8th out of 15 in the ACC
12th out of 14 in the Big 10
5th out of 12 in the PAC
9th out of 14 in the SEC

Out of those P5 conference teams, we'd be 39th out of 65. If you divide that into three three groups of 20 (Good, Average, Bad), we're at the very bottom of Average.

So average

 

[Eielson]

We weren't an average team
...
we're at the very bottom of Average.

This is great.

 

[BCSooners]

This is great.

Disproving your own opinion with your own math…genius

 

[CoachTalk]

We weren't an average team. You don't make a comment like that by comparing us to the other 300 (or whatever) D1 teams out there. You compare us to our peers. That is either the Big 12 or at the very least, the P5 conference teams.

Based on NET, here is where we stood:
10th out of 10 in the Big 12
8th out of 15 in the ACC
12th out of 14 in the Big 10
5th out of 12 in the PAC
9th out of 14 in the SEC

Out of those P5 conference teams, we'd be 39th out of 65. If you divide that into three three groups of 20 (Good, Average, Bad), we're at the very bottom of Average.

So by your own post… your post. Not ours…

We are average?