Do you think moving to the SEC is better for OU?

[sheepdogs1]

I am going to explain this in the best way I know how.... I think it illustrates the divide.


When I hear UCF, Cincy, and San Diego State I think of their potential if they played in a P5 league. Football, for better or worse, is an oppressive institution. Why does Kansas deserve to be in a P5 league, but not UCF? Why does Indiana deserve to be P5, but not San Diego State? Kansas gets 5 times he amount of money in TV deals than UCF, for no other reason than someone made it so.


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Since 1977 Indiana has finished 3 seasons ranked in the top 25 while SDSU has achieved the same thing but 2 times. Football is also bigger in that region than Southern California. Also, school enrollment is not correlated to how good a football team is.

 

[BoulderSooner]

yes. The big 12 failed to bring anyone of substance into the league and as a result, the media rights are a joke.

Who do you think they could have pulled that is worth a darn?

the media rights are actually really good right now .. (and have been in the last 10 years)

but .. they will be garbage going forward .. starting in 2025 ..

 

[BoulderSooner]

And again, Boren wanted us to grab some of those teams when a&m and Mizzou left. The other teams in the conference were against it. How is that OU's fault?

the teams were against it because ESPN and Fox told the big 12 that adding those teams would NOT even pay for themselves in a tv contract ..


ie adding any team would cost the 10 schools actual money each and every year ..

 

[Max Power]

the teams were against it because ESPN and Fox told the big 12 that adding those teams would NOT even pay for themselves in a tv contract ..


ie adding any team would cost the 10 schools actual money each and every year ..

fair, but my point still remains, how is this OU's fault? Big wants this so bad to be OU being the bad guy when its just not true.

 

[NickZepp]

the teams were against it because ESPN and Fox told the big 12 that adding those teams would NOT even pay for themselves in a tv contract ..


ie adding any team would cost the 10 schools actual money each and every year ..

Maybe BYU and Louisville back then wouldn't cost money. That's about it.

 

[thebigabd]

You think it would be wise for OU to stay in a league and add those teams vs go to the SEC?

From a competitive perspective, yes. You guys will feel the same way when league championships and what not disappear. I have seen how OU fans react to losing a game. It's about to happen a lot more often. They won't care about TV money at that point.

Football is also bigger in that region than Southern California. Also, school enrollment is not correlated to how good a football team is.

Ok so you're saying that players wouldn't want to go play football in San Diego in a brand new stadium in a P5 conference. I just think we are going to have to disagree on that one.

As for enrollment.... I am illustrating how absurd the system is. That is one of dozens of reasons the current system, run by a cartel of blue bloods and ESPN, holds programs down for no good reason other than to maintain status quo. The biggest school in the country, in one of the biggest football states and regions of the country, can't be a "high major" but Wake Forest can?

Having the same 4 teams play for national titles every year is GREAT money... Might as well keep it that way.

Change the structure of conferences, add way more "p5" schools and leagues, and you will see the talent spread out. It's a guarantee.

Not doing that is exactly how you end up with this:

2021- Ohio State
2020- Alabama
2019- LSU
2018- Clemson
2017- Alabama
2016- Alabama
2015- Alabama
2014- Ohio State
2013- Florida State
2012- Alabama
2011- Alabama
2010- Auburn
2009- Alabama
2008- Florida
2007- LSU
2006- Florida
2005- Texas

I mean come on....

Big wants this so bad to be OU being the bad guy when its just not true.

I don't want OU to be the bad guy.... I don't want OU to go to the SEC.

 

[sheepdogs1]

From a competitive perspective, yes. You guys will feel the same way when league championships and what not disappear. I have seen how OU fans react to losing a game. It's about to happen a lot more often. They won't care about TV money at that point.



Ok so you're saying that players wouldn't want to go play football in San Diego in a brand new stadium in a P5 conference. I just think we are going to have to disagree on that one.

As for enrollment.... I am illustrating how absurd the system is. That is one of dozens of reasons the current system, run by a cartel of blue bloods and ESPN, holds programs down for no good reason other than to maintain status quo. The biggest school in the country, in one of the biggest football states and regions of the country, can't be a "high major" but Wake Forest can?

Having the same 4 teams play for national titles every year is GREAT money... Might as well keep it that way.

Change the structure of conferences, add way more "p5" schools and leagues, and you will see the talent spread out. It's a guarantee.

Not doing that is exactly how you end up with this:

2021- Ohio State
2020- Alabama
2019- LSU
2018- Clemson
2017- Alabama
2016- Alabama
2015- Alabama
2014- Ohio State
2013- Florida State
2012- Alabama
2011- Alabama
2010- Auburn
2009- Alabama
2008- Florida
2007- LSU
2006- Florida
2005- Texas

I mean come on....



I don't want OU to be the bad guy.... I don't want OU to go to the SEC.

Clearly I did not state this, but nice try. The Aztecs have fielded a program dating back many years thus it's not new news that they have a division 1 program. Whatever allure they have has had minimal success over the years and chances are it remains just that.


And as far as becoming a card carrying member to the SEC it looks as if it's a fait accompli thus you have but one of two choices to make for you could accept it or reject it.

 

[BoulderSooner]

fair, but my point still remains, how is this OU's fault? Big wants this so bad to be OU being the bad guy when its just not true.

i agree with you it is NOT OU's fault

 

[BoulderSooner]

Ok so you're saying that players wouldn't want to go play football in San Diego in a brand new stadium in a P5 conference. I just think we are going to have to disagree on that one.

no i am saying that no one (relatively speaking) in Southern California would want to watch them play on TV ..

 

[SoonerBounce13]

From a competitive perspective, yes. You guys will feel the same way when league championships and what not disappear. I have seen how OU fans react to losing a game. It's about to happen a lot more often. They won't care about TV money at that point.

to a point yest. But we haven't won a national championship in 21 years...the longest drought ever. It is plainly obvious that the big 12 isn't conducive to us winning the national championship. We can dominate the big 12 sure. I think most fans realize we will lose more games but we should be better off in the long run.

I don't want OU to be the bad guy.... I don't want OU to go to the SEC.

Who is going to be bigabd's new texas tech?

 

[skyvue]

I think anyone who thinks OU fans are going to be reasonable about it if and when OU loses three or four four games in a season is in serious denial. For the past few years, on the football board I frequent, I couldn't even find anyone celebrating after a win unless it was by four or five touchdowns. ISU was a Top 25 team last year (they finished the season in the Top 10) and that board went into freaking meltdown after OU lost to the Cyclones on the road early last season.

Everyone's putting on a good front right now and maybe there will be a brief honeymoon period, but it most definitely won't last.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I think anyone who thinks OU fans are going to be reasonable about it if and when OU loses three or four four games in a season is in serious denial. For the past few years, on the football board I frequent, I couldn't even find anyone celebrating after a win unless it was by four or five touchdowns. ISU was a Top 25 team last year (they finished the season in the Top 10) and that board went into freaking meltdown after OU lost to the Cyclones on the road early last season.

Everyone's putting on a good front right now and maybe there will be a brief honeymoon period, but it most definitely won't last.

you are right at 3-4 losses a season. i don't expect that though. I expect a max of 3 in a normal season. But I'd expect to average 2 a year including the conference title

 

[Oliver Hardy]

It’s going to take 2, maybe 3, years to improve our recruiting to SEC levels. Will there be bumps in the road? Sure.

But we’ll always be able to compete. We will steadily be in the top 4, maybe top 3.

And when our recruiting improves, and recruits see we are winning, they will come and we will get better.

We are going to regularly beat Auburn, Florida, Texas A&M, Florida State, Missouri.

What we will have to do is show we can beat Alabama, Auburn and Georgia.

We’ll win our share to begin with. And when recruiting gets lined out, we’ll win even more!

Up or down, I’m excited about the move.


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[NickZepp]

https://amp.oklahoman.com/amp/5390626001

Let’s set the record straight:*OU’s move to the SEC is what’s best for Oklahoma. The reality is that conferences are now more important than ever and, with limited spots, the strongest conferences would not accept OU if we were to*require OSU to join as well. By joining the SEC, we ensure the state’s flagship university will be represented nationally while protecting our rich football history for many years to come. To move forward in any other manner would be to the detriment of OU and the state of Oklahoma.

The*prospect of moving to the SEC*also excites me for our fans. Not only will the move energize our fanbase and provide great trips for road games to new venues, but the city of Norman stands to win as well. SEC fans loyally travel with their teams. Many fans from the SEC have never been to Norman and they’ll be eager to make the trip and experience an OU football weekend. Tickets will be in high demand and OU, Norman, and all of Oklahoma will reap the benefits.

Change is always hard. Moving to a more competitive league is unnerving to some. OU and OSU have a history of being in the same conference — I understand that. Of course, OU and OSU should work together when they can for the betterment of our state, but there are times when that is not possible (I don’t recall sharing my game plan with Coach Gundy every year). The reality is, in today’s world, conference realignment doesn’t allow for it.

With this move, OU is taking control of its own destiny. And all Oklahomans — no matter who they root for — can trust that when the state’s flagship university makes a decision, it always puts Oklahoma’s interests first.

Bob F'n Stoops





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[sheepdogs1]

I think anyone who thinks OU fans are going to be reasonable about it if and when OU loses three or four four games in a season is in serious denial. For the past few years, on the football board I frequent, I couldn't even find anyone celebrating after a win unless it was by four or five touchdowns. ISU was a Top 25 team last year (they finished the season in the Top 10) and that board went into freaking meltdown after OU lost to the Cyclones on the road early last season.

Everyone's putting on a good front right now and maybe there will be a brief honeymoon period, but it most definitely won't last.

Every team, professional or amateur alike, has a cross-section of fans thus their responses will be rather dissimilar for most of all positions taken.

 

[sheepdogs1]

It’s going to take 2, maybe 3, years to improve our recruiting to SEC levels. Will there be bumps in the road? Sure.

But we’ll always be able to compete. We will steadily be in the top 4, maybe top 3.

And when our recruiting improves, and recruits see we are winning, they will come and we will get better.

We are going to regularly beat Auburn, Florida, Texas A&M, Florida State, Missouri.

What we will have to do is show we can beat Alabama, Auburn and Georgia.

We’ll win our share to begin with. And when recruiting gets lined out, we’ll win even more!

Up or down, I’m excited about the move.


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I see them receiving too much credit.

Since their national championship in 2010 they have averaged 4.5 losses per year (7.9 wins).

 

[skyvue]

you are right at 3-4 losses a season. i don't expect that though. I expect a max of 3 in a normal season. But I'd expect to average 2 a year including the conference title

I agree that we'll have seasons like that (and I probably shouldn't have thrown that "or four" in there), but I'll have to see how the scheduling actually plays out. But I keep hearing fans spouting "Iron sharpens iron!" and other aphorisms, which is easy to say when it's all theoretical.

How many teams in the SEC make a habit of finishing with two losses or fewer? Bama, obviously, and other teams manage it now and then but not often.

Here's how often the other marquee SEC teams have done it in the past 10 seasons:

Georgia -- 4 (including 2020, a 10-game slate)
Florida -- 2
LSU -- 2
A&M -- 2 (including 2020, a 10-game slate)
Auburn -- 1

 

[NickZepp]

to a point yest. But we haven't won a national championship in 21 years...the longest drought ever. It is plainly obvious that the big 12 isn't conducive to us winning the national championship. We can dominate the big 12 sure. I think most fans realize we will lose more games but we should be better off in the long run.



Who is going to be bigabd's new texas tech?

Honestly doing a bit of research and this basketball league is gonna be more fun than I thought going in. You got Rick Barnes at Texas and Calipari at Kentucky. Aggies have Buzz Williams who was flirting with OU when we got Lon Kruger and we made the right choice there. Vandy has former NBA player Jerry Stackhouse coaching them right now. South Carolina has Frank Martin. Auburn has Bruce Pearl. Georgia has Tom Crean. Ben Howland is at Miss State. Eric Mussellman is getting things going at Arkansas now. We'll see if Bama can keep going with the momentum they had last year dominating the league.

 

[hoopsaustin]

to a point yest. But we haven't won a national championship in 21 years...the longest drought ever. It is plainly obvious that the big 12 isn't conducive to us winning the national championship. We can dominate the big 12 sure. I think most fans realize we will lose more games but we should be better off in the long run.



Who is going to be bigabd's new texas tech?

We may win more. Quit accepting the superiority bs. A&m's win % went up by 2 wins a season..


Also, his programs will be vandy and south carolina

 

[BoulderSooner]

It’s going to take 2, maybe 3, years to improve our recruiting to SEC levels. Will there be bumps in the road? Sure.

But we’ll always be able to compete. We will steadily be in the top 4, maybe top 3.

And when our recruiting improves, and recruits see we are winning, they will come and we will get better.

We are going to regularly beat Auburn, Florida, Texas A&M, Florida State, Missouri.

What we will have to do is show we can beat Alabama, Auburn and Georgia.

We’ll win our share to begin with. And when recruiting gets lined out, we’ll win even more!

Up or down, I’m excited about the move.


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OU has a better/or equal roster than all but 2 SEC team bama and georgia ..