Ethan Chargois to Oklahoma

[steverocks35]

I agree with this. Regardless of his rating or offers, he's a definite upgrade to what we've had, no question.

Agreed

 

[sheepdogs1]

i think he is a bit better then some are giving him credit for

His career high scoring came against Southern Miss with 25 pts and his career high rebounding was 12 against Houston and Wichita State thus he can post big numbers. These numbers seem a bit of a stretch with Vic on the floor.

 

[BCSooners]

I agree with this. Regardless of his rating or offers, he's a definite upgrade to what we've had, no question.

So what we've had the past 4 years was Brady Manek. Honest question (not trying to be a douche), do you think he's better than Manek?

 

[WTSooner]

So what we've had the past 4 years was Brady Manek. Honest question (not trying to be a douche), do you think he's better than Manek?

Manek was a starter, Chargois is going to come off the bench. So the comparison is to who has come off the bench for us at the 5. Last year that was probably KK. EC should be a better overall player than KK was.

I like a lot of things about EC. My only real concern at this point is his shooting percentage. 37% from two for a big guy is pretty terrible. But it should be tolerable off the bench.

 

[BCSooners]

Manek was a starter, Chargois is going to come off the bench. So the comparison is to who has come off the bench for us at the 5. Last year that was probably KK. EC should be a better overall player than KK was.

I like a lot of things about EC. My only real concern at this point is his shooting percentage. 37% from two for a big guy is pretty terrible. But it should be tolerable off the bench.

My response was to people saying that he'd start over Hill.

I haven't seen him play since last year, but if he's not a very solid defender then I wouldn't put him over KK. His shooting numbers are bad for a post. People can talk about his assist numbers, but his turnovers are high.

Now if he's a good defender then he's definitely the best backup big OU has had in a while.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Manek was a starter, Chargois is going to come off the bench. So the comparison is to who has come off the bench for us at the 5. Last year that was probably KK. EC should be a better overall player than KK was.

I like a lot of things about EC. My only real concern at this point is his shooting percentage. 37% from two for a big guy is pretty terrible. But it should be tolerable off the bench.

I believe the 37% stat is both 2 point and 3 point shots combined, and if that's the case, then he shot 41% from 2 point range during the previous season. During his freshman and sophomore he took a lot more shots and shot 58% and 50% respectively from 2 point range.

 

[Stikboy]

So what we've had the past 4 years was Brady Manek. Honest question (not trying to be a douche), do you think he's better than Manek?

For what Moser probably wants his role to be? Absolutely. OU has been soft as a pillow in the interior, and that includes post defense, rebounding, and interior scoring. And much of that is squarely on Manek. While Manek had some very good games here, he was a tremendous liability defensively. He wasn't as good a rebounder as OU needed from a "big". He's skilled offensively(mostly when he's hot from 3) but when he's not I believe he was a net minus, considering the position he was playing.

The comparison really should be the Eastern Washington Big to Manek, and Chargois to either Kur or really Vic. We don't know if Chargois will start next year but if he is a backup there's no question he will an upgrade. He doesn't look like the greatest athlete but he's a big body who can rebound, play defense, and wow!!! He appears to be able to dribble and has somewhat of a feel of how to play(pass to the open guy, flow in the halfcourt). Plus, he can shoot from 3 and was only 5 percentage points behind Manek in that area.

OU relied on Manek too much to score. Most of it was from the outside. OU has needed an inside banger presence, rebounder, a big who can do a big's job. Manek didn't really fill that bill. OU doesn't need Chargois to be Manek. OU needs Chargois to play like a big. And now that OU has him and Tanner, yes, the immediate future at the 5 and the 4 is looking much, much better.

Manek should have never been relied upon to be the main big. Manek was a great kid and i'm glad he was passionate about being a Sooner. He had some good games. He saved our bacon some games(it could be argued he should have never been put in that position). But i'm actually happy that he, Kur, and Vic are gone and we've acquired two true post guys who know how to play inside. So yes, i'll take Chargois and Tanner over Manek, Vic, and Kur all day any day seven days a week and twice on Sundays. Especially in the new system..

 

[BCSooners]

For what Moser probably wants his role to be? Absolutely. OU has been soft as a pillow in the interior, and that includes post defense, rebounding, and interior scoring. And much of that is squarely on Manek. While Manek had some very good games here, he was a tremendous liability defensively. He wasn't as good a rebounder as OU needed from a "big". He's skilled offensively(mostly when he's hot from 3) but when he's not I believe he was a net minus, considering the position he was playing.

The comparison really should be the Eastern Washington Big to Manek, and Chargois to either Kur or really Vic. We don't know if Chargois will start next year but if he is a backup there's no question he will an upgrade. He doesn't look like the greatest athlete but he's a big body who can rebound, play defense, and wow!!! He appears to be able to dribble and has somewhat of a feel of how to play(pass to the open guy, flow in the halfcourt). Plus, he can shoot from 3 and was only 5 percentage points behind Manek in that area.

OU relied on Manek too much to score. Most of it was from the outside. OU has needed an inside banger presence, rebounder, a big who can do a big's job. Manek didn't really fill that bill. OU doesn't need Chargois to be Manek. OU needs Chargois to play like a big. And now that OU has him and Tanner, yes, the immediate future at the 5 and the 4 is looking much, much better.

Manek should have never been relied upon to be the main big. Manek was a great kid and i'm glad he was passionate about being a Sooner. He had some good games. He saved our bacon some games(it could be argued he should have never been put in that position). But i'm actually happy that he, Kur, and Vic are gone and we've acquired two true post guys who know how to play inside. So yes, i'll take Chargois and Tanner over Manek, Vic, and Kur all day any day seven days a week and twice on Sundays. Especially in the new system..

Chargois was asked to be the 5 all 4 years at SMU. By stats, and Manek was on a better team so really his stats would be higher if he was at SMU, Manek is a better rebounder, 3pt shooter, finisher, and blocked more shots. I wasn't a big Manek fan, but I also don't think Chargois is going to provide OU with anything more than what Dante Buford did. You say he knows how to play inside, but his shooting % proves that otherwise. I really hope he's a good defender because if he's not I just don't think he's that big an upgrade over KK or if Vic had his head on straight.

As far as Chargois & Tanner over Manek & Vic? Duh, Tanner moves the needle big time.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Chargois was asked to be the 5 all 4 years at SMU. By stats, and Manek was on a better team so really his stats would be higher if he was at SMU, Manek is a better rebounder, 3pt shooter, finisher, and blocked more shots. I wasn't a big Manek fan, but I also don't think Chargois is going to provide OU with anything more than what Dante Buford did. You say he knows how to play inside, but his shooting % proves that otherwise. I really hope he's a good defender because if he's not I just don't think he's that big an upgrade over KK or if Vic had his head on straight.

As far as Chargois & Tanner over Manek & Vic? Duh, Tanner moves the needle big time.

these are my thoughts also ... .

but i will say Chargois on a better team should be able to buy in to a roll that will allow him to perform better ...

 

[BCSooners]

these are my thoughts also ... .

but i will say Chargois on a better team should be able to buy in to a roll that will allow him to perform better ...

That may be very true. Some people play better on worse teams, some on better. Chargois best year was his team's worst year, that's why I'm a little hesitant saying he's a starter. 3rd big (12-18mpg)? Absolutely.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Chargois was asked to be the 5 all 4 years at SMU. By stats, and Manek was on a better team so really his stats would be higher if he was at SMU, Manek is a better rebounder, 3pt shooter, finisher, and blocked more shots. I wasn't a big Manek fan, but I also don't think Chargois is going to provide OU with anything more than what Dante Buford did. You say he knows how to play inside, but his shooting % proves that otherwise. I really hope he's a good defender because if he's not I just don't think he's that big an upgrade over KK or if Vic had his head on straight.

As far as Chargois & Tanner over Manek & Vic? Duh, Tanner moves the needle big time.

From a previous post.

"During his freshman and sophomore he took a lot more shots and shot 58% and 50% respectively from 2 point range."

These are good to very good numbers.

In addition, Brady averaged 5 rebounds last season according to ESPN while Ethan had 5.4 with less playing time. Their best rebounding seasons were identical at 6.2 and Brady played a bit more/game than Ethan.

 

[Stikboy]

Chargois was asked to be the 5 all 4 years at SMU. By stats, and Manek was on a better team so really his stats would be higher if he was at SMU, Manek is a better rebounder, 3pt shooter, finisher, and blocked more shots. I wasn't a big Manek fan, but I also don't think Chargois is going to provide OU with anything more than what Dante Buford did. You say he knows how to play inside, but his shooting % proves that otherwise. I really hope he's a good defender because if he's not I just don't think he's that big an upgrade over KK or if Vic had his head on straight.

As far as Chargois & Tanner over Manek & Vic? Duh, Tanner moves the needle big time.

You don't know Manek's stats would be higher at SMU. Manek was the 5 at OU this year. He played with a bunch of guards. He should have had DOUBLE the rebounds he had. Chargois played on the court at the same time as another really good rebounder(Hunt) and other bigs. Manek should have cleaned up as a rebounder with all the midgets around him.

You are the one who replied to my comment and changed the narrative that Chargois was better than Manek. I said "he will be an upgrade to what we've had". And I totally stand by that. Nobody knows what the new roles will be and how the lineup and rotation will shake out. And nobody knows how guys will play, of course.

If I were picking a team and needed a 5 and was picking between Chargois and Manek, from what i've seen i'd choose Chargois. If I was picking a 4, and already had a tremendously talented, physical banger at the 5 I MAY choose Manek. It depends on my scheme and what I want my 4 to do. If it was camp outside the 3 pt line and shoot 3s? Maybe Manek. If it was work in tandem with my 5 down low and fight and scrape? Probably Chargois. How many games did we lose because we couldnt' get a * defensive rebound? More that I can freaking count! How many times did the opposing team get an ole'!! from Manek on their way to bullying him for a score inside? Yes, you guessed it, more than I can count.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Welcome to OU Ethan!

Honestly it won't take much to be better than Kur/and or Vic. If he can do almost 9 and almost 6 at OU like he did at SMU, that will be good. Oklahoma boy too, which is always nice.

Now, Porter can focus on '22 bigs..

agree 100 %...

 

[AdaSooner]

Considering the front court talent we’ve worked with over the past 2-3 years, Ethan would’ve been a welcome addition to the team and perhaps even a starter. He’s 6’9. Can hit the 3. Has solid footwork and a mid-range game. Calling him our #2 post is a coup.

Finally, a voice of reason in this love fest for a front court that was woefully lacking in nearly every area of the game last season.

I think the Groves brothers, Hill and Chargois have the potential to be our best front court in years. If we add another big, I see that as a bonus. I honestly believe this team of bigs is already head and shoulders better than last year. I say that with all due respect for our departed players on a personal level. This group is simply better, and it’s not even close.

 

[WichitaSooner]

The starting front court in ‘19-20 was Doo (first team all league) and Brady, who averaged 14.4 and 6.2 boards and shot 38 percent from deep. That’s a pretty dang nice combo. Yep, we all know Brady has defensive issues. Yep, we all know that neither of them played like old school bigs. But the sport has changed dramatically in recent years and not many teams have a lot of traditional bigs. The guys we have coming in will absolutely be better at certain things than most of our recent posts, but some people are acting like it’s been years since we have had post players who do anything well. That’s not remotely true.

 

[Sooner04]

Considering the front court talent we’ve worked with over the past 2-3 years, Ethan would’ve been a welcome addition to the team and perhaps even a starter. He’s 6’9. Can hit the 3. Has solid footwork and a mid-range game. Calling him our #2 post is a coup.

Bingo. Instead we were forced to watch our 5 "show" 38-feet from the basket time and time again. Ethan would've looked good in crimson and cream for four years, but I'm happy we'll at least get him for one. I guess I'll get over the fact that he's not much of "rim protector".

(Cough)

 

[sanguinetti]

i think it's a good get for us. not crazy about the Manek comparison since Brady played "out of position" for us a lot. and i credit him taking that role. but, i can also see from his end....and a chance to suit up at UNC, so be it. go for it young man.

10 days ago we didn't have enough bodies to win 10 games....especially in the post. AAC is a pretty good league.

i'm on board with it.

 

[SoonerinNC]

I only see a resemblence to Manek with his outside shot but he does a better job of getting open both outside and going to the hoop than Manek.

And his inside game is light years better than Brady. Manek probably a better rebounder but not by a lot.

He and the Groves boys and Hill gives us a solid inside game which was probably our biggest weakness in 20-21. The need to help inside on defense really hurt us defending the trey.

From the film I have seen of Loyola's games shows great movement away from the ball to get open. Ethan will do well in that offense.

 

[BCSooners]

From a previous post.

"During his freshman and sophomore he took a lot more shots and shot 58% and 50% respectively from 2 point range."

These are good to very good numbers.

In addition, Brady averaged 5 rebounds last season according to ESPN while Ethan had 5.4 with less playing time. Their best rebounding seasons were identical at 6.2 and Brady played a bit more/game than Ethan.

So he was better as a freshman sophomore at shooting. How does that help next year? Again they are identical rebounders, imo Brady is better, and people (including me) b**ch constantly about his rebounding.

 

[BCSooners]

You don't know Manek's stats would be higher at SMU. Manek was the 5 at OU this year. He played with a bunch of guards. He should have had DOUBLE the rebounds he had. Chargois played on the court at the same time as another really good rebounder(Hunt) and other bigs. Manek should have cleaned up as a rebounder with all the midgets around him.

You are the one who replied to my comment and changed the narrative that Chargois was better than Manek. I said "he will be an upgrade to what we've had". And I totally stand by that. Nobody knows what the new roles will be and how the lineup and rotation will shake out. And nobody knows how guys will play, of course.

If I were picking a team and needed a 5 and was picking between Chargois and Manek, from what i've seen i'd choose Chargois. If I was picking a 4, and already had a tremendously talented, physical banger at the 5 I MAY choose Manek. It depends on my scheme and what I want my 4 to do. If it was camp outside the 3 pt line and shoot 3s? Maybe Manek. If it was work in tandem with my 5 down low and fight and scrape? Probably Chargois. How many games did we lose because we couldnt' get a * defensive rebound? More that I can freaking count! How many times did the opposing team get an ole'!! from Manek on their way to bullying him for a score inside? Yes, you guessed it, more than I can count.

If he got more shots & the ball in his hands more against worse competition he’d have better stats, not hard to comprehend. Of course his efficiency could take a hit, like Chargois’ wasn’t good.

Double rebounds? Lol, you want him to average 10 rebounds a game? Fight & scrape? Great interior D? Have you seen Chargois? You act like we are getting Spangler...we aren’t. What has Chargois shown that he’ll be better than KK, much less Manek?