Fire Porter Moser

[61sooner]

Loyola won the NCAA in 1963 beating 2 time champ Cincy. They have 1 more BB natty than OU.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Off topic but not worthy of a new thread: for any of you with a Twitter account, have you been having issues the past several days with tweets not loading and your feed being a complete mess? I mainly have it to follow beat writers and get sports news, and it has been a mess for several days now.

 

[The_Banker]

Off topic but not worthy of a new thread: for any of you with a Twitter account, have you been having issues the past several days with tweets not loading and your feed being a complete mess? I mainly have it to follow beat writers and get sports news, and it has been a mess for several days now.

Yes.

 

[daqman]

If they lose tonight and he's the coach in Norman come Thursday, it tells you everything you already knew about the Oklahoma basketball program.

i'm not sure it does.....but i'm not privy to all the mechanics of hiring/firing coaches and their contracts.
there are a multitude of factors to consider. if they keep him until the season is over...it might just mean that's the best decision based purely on business/economical
considerations. if they can save a $million or two by waiting 90 days...why not? nothing wrong with fiscal responsibility.
if there are no financial considerations...then maybe just the optics of firing a coach mid-season. maybe they don't want the bad press that will come with it.
as long as it's done...the timing doesn't concern me. but we better have a new coach for next season.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Know as much as you do

Ive negotiated buyouts essentially (some dissolved business partnerships and acquisitions) here and there. You?

Actually I had a client that was in an oil and gas venture that we literally negotiated his buyout

 

[cowboysooner]

I will be surprised if OU doesn't just wait until the season is over, sit down and assess this season's results, assess Porter's entire tenure, give some thought to what is out there and then make an educated assessment of the financial issues (retention vs. termination, salaries and NIL) and then make a decision. Like Dagman said, there can be a lot of financial issues that might drive the timing of a decision on Porter, who knows.

Fortunately for all of us, OU's administration is a lot more thoughtful, financially prudent and careful about personnel decisions than we fans, who are almost always overly emotional and victims of the moment. Me included.

 

[sooner333]

One financial thing is that usually an interim coach gets a pay bump for the remainder of the season.

 

[The_Banker]

i'm not sure it does.....but i'm not privy to all the mechanics of hiring/firing coaches and their contracts.
there are a multitude of factors to consider. if they keep him until the season is over...it might just mean that's the best decision based purely on business/economical
considerations. if they can save a $million or two by waiting 90 days...why not? nothing wrong with fiscal responsibility.
if there are no financial considerations...then maybe just the optics of firing a coach mid-season. maybe they don't want the bad press that will come with it.
as long as it's done...the timing doesn't concern me. but we better have a new coach for next season.

His buyout wont change between now and if you waited until end of season. It only drops if he enters 2026-2027 as the basketball coach. Have to look at it similar to these football jobs that aren't trying to actually win, but have to appease the fan base by looking like it. If people thought the attendance was bad last Tuesday, if they do actually go 0-2 this week, that sight vs Arkansas will be woof...

If you lose you start the negotiating now with porters agent. Then figure out what's best based on that discussion.

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

that sight vs Arkansas will be woof...

Especially if the Hog fans take over Lloyd Noble.

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

I will be surprised if OU doesn't just wait until the season is over, sit down and assess this season's results, assess Porter's entire tenure, give some thought to what is out there and then make an educated assessment of the financial issues (retention vs. termination, salaries and NIL) and then make a decision. Like Dagman said, there can be a lot of financial issues that might drive the timing of a decision on Porter, who knows.

Fortunately for all of us, OU's administration is a lot more thoughtful, financially prudent and careful about personnel decisions than we fans, who are almost always overly emotional and victims of the moment. Me included.

Included in the cost-benefit analysis will be the drop in attendance and ticket sales. Make that up with increased ticket sales under a new coach, and you can pay the buyout.

We're at a point where we can't afford to keep him.

 

[WTSooner]

You have to be some kind of stupid to think Moser is a good coach. I'll leave it at that.

 

[cbertus6]

I know there's lots of games left and as of now Moser is the coach, but just to throw a name out there...

He's already making pretty good money where he's at I believe, but Josh Schertz at Saint Louis.

Won a ton at the DII level, sustained success. Took over an Indiana State program that was struggling/average to their standards, built into a winner quickly. Hired away by a Saint Louis program that was below their standards and immediately had them in the NIT last year and is 17-1 this season and in the top 25 as of this week.

There will be names thrown around, but I tend to like the ones that clearly build winners (a la Cignetti in football). Moser was OK at Little Rock, fired from Illinois State, and although he was "good" at Loyola, he more flashed greatness with otherwise above-average results, including mixed between the two flashes of greatness. Here at OU we've just had average (generally below OU standards) with no flashes to be seen.

Schertz definitely fits the bill. He started at Lincoln Memorial (D2) and finished in 13 years with a 214-39 (.846) record in conference. Over his last 11 years there, he finished in 1st in conference 9 times and no worse than 3rd. At Indiana State, he started poorly with a 4-14 conference record in year one before flipping things and going 13-7 and 17-3 over the next two seasons. He's shown a similar trajectory so far with Saint Louis, going 11-7 in conference last year and already starting with a 14-1 overall record and 2-0 in conference.

Jerrod Calhoun is the other name that really intrigues me right now. Since Youngstown State joined the Horizon conference in '01-'02, they had not finished higher than a tie for 5th in conference. Their conference record from that year through the '16-'17 season was 74-191 (.279). Calhoun had them from '17-'18 through '23-'24 and finished with a 74-61 (.548) conference record and finished 1st and 2nd in conference his final two years there. He also won 24 and 22 games overall in those final two years, which is something Youngstown State hadn't done as a program since the 70s. He seems to have hit the ground running at Utah State already.

Both Schertz and Calhoun are making about $2MM a year which is definitely something that can be topped by OU. Moser makes about $3.5MM right now for reference.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Schertz definitely fits the bill. He started at Lincoln Memorial (D2) and finished in 13 years with a 214-39 (.846) record in conference. Over his last 11 years there, he finished in 1st in conference 9 times and no worse than 3rd. At Indiana State, he started poorly with a 4-14 conference record in year one before flipping things and going 13-7 and 17-3 over the next two seasons. He's shown a similar trajectory so far with Saint Louis, going 11-7 in conference last year and already starting with a 14-1 overall record and 2-0 in conference.

Jerrod Calhoun is the other name that really intrigues me right now. Since Youngstown State joined the Horizon conference in '01-'02, they had not finished higher than a tie for 5th in conference. Their conference record from that year through the '16-'17 season was 74-191 (.279). Calhoun had them from '17-'18 through '23-'24 and finished with a 74-61 (.548) conference record and finished 1st and 2nd in conference his final two years there. He also won 24 and 22 games overall in those final two years, which is something Youngstown State hadn't done as a program since the 70s. He seems to have hit the ground running at Utah State already.

Both Schertz and Calhoun are making about $2MM a year which is definitely something that can be topped by OU. Moser makes about $3.5MM right now for reference.

I was Calhoun over schertz based on just this year's numbers from that poster's chart. But Calhoun's .548 winning % is giving me Loser Moser Vibes.. id prolly switch to Schertz. We have to mitigate risk this time and get a proven winner

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

I was Calhoun over schertz based on just this year's numbers from that poster's chart. But Calhoun's .548 winning % is giving me Loser Moser Vibes.. id prolly switch to Schertz. We have to mitigate risk this time and get a proven winner

Calhoun took a job no one else would want (Youngstown State) and made it into something. He hasn't merely hit the jackpot with one or two star players like Porter did at Loyola.

But if you can get Josh Schertz, get him.

 

[cbertus6]

I was Calhoun over schertz based on just this year's numbers from that poster's chart. But Calhoun's .548 winning % is giving me Loser Moser Vibes.. id prolly switch to Schertz. We have to mitigate risk this time and get a proven winner

Just did a bit more looking into a few other candidates that have been discussed at least in passing on here recently:

Coach (team)	Career Overall Record	Career Conference Record	Conf Champ Games Won	Age (Years as HC)
Josh Schertz (Saint Louis)	436-125 (.777) 99-56 (.638) <- D1 only	261-70 (.789) 47-31 (.603) <- D1 only	5	50 (18)
Jerrod Calhoun (Utah State)	283-153 (.649) 159-116 (.578) <- D1 only	182-90 (.669) 95-67 (.586) <- D1 only	0	44 (14)
Tony Skinn (George Mason)	65-22 (.747)	30-12 (.714)	0	42 (3)
Brian Wardle (Bradley)	276-210 (.568)	151-115 (.568)	2	46 (15)
Takayo Siddle (UNC Wilmington)	122-49 (.713)	60-25 (.706)	1	39 (6)
Fred Hoiberg (Nebraska)	217-164 (.570)	93-121 (.435)	2	53 (16, 4 of those in the NBA)
Travis Steele (Miami OH)	141-96 (.595)	68-62 (.523)	0	44 (8)
Kyle Smith (Stanford)	292-210 (.582)	127-129 (.496)	0	56 (16)

Just looking at these numbers without any additional context, Schertz is far and away the best option followed by intriguing (but risky) options like Skinn and Siddle. Calhoun's record being as good as it is in comparison with the others considering most of his D1 coaching experience has come with perennial cellar dweller Youngstown State is also very intriguing.

 

[Sooner04]

Included in the cost-benefit analysis will be the drop in attendance and ticket sales.

I believe Boulder mentioned earlier this month that we're down to about 4,000 season ticket holders......of which I am one. That's a far cry from the fun times. But at a secondary sport the willy-nilly fans can only take so many haymakers to the genitals before they find better things to do with their time....like watching the Panzer division disguised as an NBA team just up the road.

 

[Sooner04]

I'll lead the Committee to bring Schertz here if Cream Abdul-Jabbar can tag along. I'm sure we can drum up another year of eligibility for him somehow.

 

[soonertrash77]

Ive negotiated buyouts essentially (some dissolved business partnerships and acquisitions) here and there. You?

Actually I had a client that was in an oil and gas venture that we literally negotiated his buyout

Well aren’t you special

 

[cbertus6]

Just did a bit more looking into a few other candidates that have been discussed at least in passing on here recently:

Coach (team)	Career Overall Record	Career Conference Record	Conf Champ Games Won	Age (Years as HC)
Josh Schertz (Saint Louis)	436-125 (.777) 99-56 (.638) <- D1 only	261-70 (.789) 47-31 (.603) <- D1 only	5	50 (18)
Jerrod Calhoun (Utah State)	283-153 (.649) 159-116 (.578) <- D1 only	182-90 (.669) 95-67 (.586) <- D1 only	0	44 (14)
Tony Skinn (George Mason)	65-22 (.747)	30-12 (.714)	0	42 (3)
Brian Wardle (Bradley)	276-210 (.568)	151-115 (.568)	2	46 (15)
Takayo Siddle (UNC Wilmington)	122-49 (.713)	60-25 (.706)	1	39 (6)
Fred Hoiberg (Nebraska)	217-164 (.570)	93-121 (.435)	2	53 (16, 4 of those in the NBA)
Travis Steele (Miami OH)	141-96 (.595)	68-62 (.523)	0	44 (8)
Kyle Smith (Stanford)	292-210 (.582)	127-129 (.496)	0	56 (16)

Just looking at these numbers without any additional context, Schertz is far and away the best option followed by intriguing (but risky) options like Skinn and Siddle. Calhoun's record being as good as it is in comparison with the others considering most of his D1 coaching experience has come with perennial cellar dweller Youngstown State is also very intriguing.

And just because now I'm curious and cannot help myself, I'll add a few more coaches that were discussed as possible options during last offseason and how they fit into this chart:

Coach (team)	Career Overall Record	Career Conference Record	Conf Champ Games Won	Age (Years as HC)
Ben McCollum	438-100 (.814) 44-9 (.830) <- D1 only	261-70 (.789) 20-7 (.741) <- D1 only	9	44 (17)
Will Wade	258-110 (.706)	149-51 (.745)	2	43 (12)
Bryan Hodgson	56-35 (.611)	27-14 (.659)	0	38 (3)
Bucky McMillan	113-56 (.669)	58-30 (.659)	1	42 (6)
Ryan Odom	237-129 (.648) 216-119 (.645) <- D1 only	122-73 (.626) 108-65 (.624) <- D1 only	2	51 (12)
Ross Hodge	58-30 (.659)	27-14 (.659)	0	45 (3)
Alan Huss	56-15 (.789)	27-5 (.844)	1	47 (2)

It appears the candidates last offseason were statistically far superior to the ones being discussed so far, unless we can nab Schertz.

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

I believe Boulder mentioned earlier this month that we're down to about 4,000 season ticket holders......of which I am one. That's a far cry from the fun times. But at a secondary sport the willy-nilly fans can only take so many haymakers to the genitals before they find better things to do with their time....like watching the Panzer division disguised as an NBA team just up the road.

This is the number that will matter more than wins and losses: paying customers in the seats. Give the fans a product they believe in, want to see, and an entertainment experience. It doesn't have to be the NBA, but it has to be worth the time.