Fire Porter Moser

[WichitaSooner]

JMO, but firing Moser during the season is just wrong. Winning or losing doesn't constitute "cause" for firing anyone. Teaches the wrong lesson to kids, both for those on campus and those that might be in the program in the future. It is just plain irresponsible.

Let the kids and coaches fight to the end, finish the season completely, then if you want to make a change, do it. The fact that most other schools and administrators do the wrong thing, doesn't make OU doing it right.

I don't think allowing Moser to finish the season prevents you from being honest with Moser about his future. You should be. You can start evaluating coaching candidates now and even having preliminary talks with agents. Then when the season is over, and if Moser is not going to be retained, then you can move quickly to get another coach. Point being, I don't think you are hurting yourself by handling this situation properly. If another coach is willing to betray his current program and/or not wait for an opening at OU, then who wants him anyway.

And, I know, I am an old foggy.

No one is arguing it would be "for cause" legally. And I have no idea how it sends the wrong message to the players (they aren't kids, they are all adults, BTW) that job performance matters. Players, for all intents and purposes, lose their "job" midseason all the time -- guys get benched for poor performance, or have minutes cut back significantly. Conversely, guys who play well can get "promoted" to a bigger role.

It's real life. People get fired all the time for being bad at their job. Especially when they have been consistently bad for five years. Companies don't keep a guy around for an extra few weeks to get to the next marker on the calendar. I know sports are unique because there are defined seasons, but when a coach has been so bad for so long, there is nothing wrong with not letting a lame duck finish out a season.

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

doubt we get shertz or calhoun.

Nope. From what I've seen, Schertz wants to go to a basketball-centric school. Calhoun wants to get closer to his home area of northeast Ohio.

Just as we've done with our last two hires, we're going to have to moneywhip a guy to come in and be second fiddle to football. We're not a basketball school, but we can pay well and we're in the SEC. And, we really do have a new arena coming.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Updated List (Added Eric Olen and Bryan Hodgson):



Completely stupid and archaic, averaged the rank of all 4 phases, yes with SOS, and created a coaching AVG rank score. (Obv Moser having the top SOS boosts him up, but not a bad set of 5 candidates above him)

 

[daqman]

We want Eric Olen if we can get him. Never mind the 3 bad years: those were UC San Diego's transition years from Division II to Division I with absolutely nothing to recruit to or play for. He took UCSD to the tournament in their first year of eligibility. That's unheard of. And they were close to getting an at-large bid out of the Big West(!) if they had lost in their tournament final.

He has it going at UNM as well. Their program is well supported and is the biggest thing in Albuquerque, but we're in the SEC. We'd be a step up.

olen's buyout after march 31st is a little over $2mil.
will ou pay moser's contract...plus olen's buyout....plus olen's salary?
probly cost in the range of $6.5 mil in year one.

 

[hoopsaustin]

We want Eric Olen if we can get him. Never mind the 3 bad years: those were UC San Diego's transition years from Division II to Division I with absolutely nothing to recruit to or play for. He took UCSD to the tournament in their first year of eligibility. That's unheard of. And they were close to getting an at-large bid out of the Big West(!) if they had lost in their tournament final.

He has it going at UNM as well. Their program is well supported and is the biggest thing in Albuquerque, but we're in the SEC. We'd be a step up.

And he lost by only like 5 to Michigan in the tourney...

Yes, it'll be an adjustment for any coach to go to power conference. You do less recruiting of freshman and more buying of portal players, for one thing

 

[hoopsaustin]

Updated List (Added Eric Olen and Bryan Hodgson):

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Completely stupid and archaic, averaged the rank of all 4 phases, yes with SOS, and created a coaching AVG rank score. (Obv Moser having the top SOS boosts him up, but not a bad set of 5 candidates above him)

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Man, I think I'm back to Calhoun, then Olen, Schertz, based on your chart (you can prolly take off Hoiberg - my dream - as hes coached his way for sure out of our reach now. Or can you just put him at the bottom for fun to keep tracking?)

 

[cbertus6]

Man, I think I'm back to Calhoun, then Olen, Schertz, based on your chart (you can prolly take off Hoiberg - my dream - as hes coached his way for sure out of our reach now. Or can you just put him at the bottom for fun to keep tracking?)

Not that my opinion matters at all, but I think the priority list should be 1) Schertz (2) Calhoun (3) Olen (4) Hodgson with Skinn and Siddle also being considerations if we can't get one of those 4 or we don't look to Assistant Coaches at that point

 

[BoulderSooner]

JMO, but firing Moser during the season is just wrong. Winning or losing doesn't constitute "cause" for firing anyone. Teaches the wrong lesson to kids, both for those on campus and those that might be in the program in the future. It is just plain irresponsible.

doesn't teach any "wrong" lesson .. and these are not "kids" they are very very well paid adults..

 

[steverocks35]

doesn't teach any "wrong" lesson .. and these are not "kids" they are very very well paid adults..

Nijel Pack is 24 lol

 

[WichitaSooner]

https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article314762828.html

This mailbag by the KSU beat writer is good because a lot of this would apply to OU. I’m sure some of the people who like to blame all our woes on NIL will say that’s a difference, but most of what he says is what I’ve been arguing for years. Power conference jobs have a ton of appeal for a lot of coaches, because they all believe they will be able to win.

Also, for all the people on this board who don’t really follow KSU but continue to argue that Johnson was the reason they won in Tang’s first year, this is telling. He gives almost all the credit to Nowell, the PG. Loser had a much better PG and overall player last year, and it took a three-game winning streak for us to make the tourney (and get immediately bounced).

 

[BanjoCharley]

Green Chile and balloons are the biggest thing in Albuquerque