Fred Hoiberg

[Soonerinkc]

I've been frustrated with LK...but no..FH is not better than LK.


unless they want to play 1/1 but then FH has his heart issue...

 

[Eielson]

I've been frustrated with LK...but no..FH is not better than LK.


unless they want to play 1/1 but then FH has his heart issue...

Only the purest of OU homers would agree with this take. Hoiberg was the second best coach in the Big XII during his time at ISU, and it really wasn't close.

 

[thebigabd]

Excluding his first year he went 3rd, 4th, 3rd, and 2nd place in the Big 12. And 2nd round, 2nd round, sweet 16, and first round in the NCAA Tournament. Fastest coach to win 100 games in ISU history... Big 12 coach of the year.

I'd take Hoiberg any day of the week.

 

[scrybe]

Only the purest of OU homers would agree with this take. Hoiberg was the second best coach in the Big XII during his time at ISU, and it really wasn't close.

I guess I'm as pure as the driven snow, then.

 

[ouboomer]

Its interesting because Hoiberg got into the Big 12 when lots of changes were happening, Missouri left (A&M, Colorado, and Nebraska left too but no real tradition), Capel would get fired a year later at OU, Rick Barnes teams at Texas were mediocre, Travis Ford did nothing special at OSU, Frank Martin would leave KSU 2 years after Hoiberg arrived but Weber has done better than most thought he would, West Virginia arrived with Huggins having to rebuild coming off 2 very good seasons and it would take 3 seasons before they were competitive again. Texas Tech and TCU were dumpster fires during those years.

Not saying he is or is not a good coach, just interesting to observe all that was going on during his 5 seasons in a 10 team league with 1 blue blood.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Its interesting because Hoiberg got into the Big 12 when lots of changes were happening, Missouri left (A&M, Colorado, and Nebraska left too but no real tradition), Capel would get fired a year later at OU, Rick Barnes teams at Texas were mediocre, Travis Ford did nothing special at OSU, Frank Martin would leave KSU 2 years after Hoiberg arrived but Weber has done better than most thought he would, West Virginia arrived with Huggins having to rebuild coming off 2 very good seasons and it would take 3 seasons before they were competitive again. Texas Tech and TCU were dumpster fires during those years.

Not saying he is or is not a good coach, just interesting to observe all that was going on during his 5 seasons in a 10 team league with 1 blue blood.

Exactly...

 

[Soonerinkc]

Only the purest of OU homers would agree with this take. Hoiberg was the second best coach in the Big XII during his time at ISU, and it really wasn't close.

Lol...ok.

Ive actually been pretty vocal with criticism for LK...and am willing to see 1 more yr. with him.

Isu has a much more passionate fan base...attractive to players. I dont believe 1 bit that that doesnt play a part in a kid's choice. Play in front of a packed house or not.
Not sure he'd do any better or worse.

The adv is he's younger.

 

[Eielson]

I guess I'm as pure as the driven snow, then.

College record. NBA record. Conference record. P5 record. Head to head record. You name it -- advantage Hoiberg. He's even won a conference tourney TITLE for every Big XII tourney win Lon has, and has done it in half the time.

There's really no objective argument that can be made for Lon. It's only the "I just feel it in my crimson bones" kinda stuff.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Guess my point is it might have been a bit easier to recruit to isu for basketball vs ou...who knows what he would do here.

Kind of like LR going to isu vs ou...ou has a name in football, kids see that.

I personally think LK is close to done. I don't care for his "learn on the court" style of coaching...only works if you have the right guys...which again the evaluation falls on him.

We'll see what happens next year.

 

[WTSooner]

Lol...ok.

Ive actually been pretty vocal with criticism for LK...and am willing to see 1 more yr. with him.

Isu has a much more passionate fan base...attractive to players. I dont believe 1 bit that that doesnt play a part in a kid's choice. Play in front of a packed house or not.
Not sure he'd do any better or worse.

The adv is he's younger.

What will one more year tell you? It's not like we're trying to figure out if Lon is a solid coach or not, or if he can cut it. He's solid. We all know what we're getting with Lon. The question is, is that enough? For me, at this point, it's not. But I'm also 100% certain that Joe C. isn't going to push Lon out, in any capacity, while we're still at this level. It's just not going to happen. Too much respect. Lon will win again at OU. But if he stays long enough, he'll also fall back off again. It's what he does. I'd prefer to move on, but again, there is zero chance of that happening over the next couple of years, unless Lon is just ready to retire at that time (doubt he is).

 

[MichaelM]

College record. NBA record. Conference record. P5 record. Head to head record. You name it -- advantage Hoiberg. He's even won a conference tourney TITLE for every Big XII tourney win Lon has, and has done it in half the time.

There's really no objective argument that can be made for Lon. It's only the "I just feel it in my crimson bones" kinda stuff.

You're using Hoiberg's short tenure as a point in his favor. If you compare Kruger's first five years at OU to Hoiberg's five years at ISU, you'll find Kruger had a better record everywhere except the conference tournament -- which he made up for by going to the Final Four.

Hoiberg may yet turn out better than Kruger, but he sure hasn't proved it.

 

[Eielson]

You're using Hoiberg's short tenure as a point in his favor. If you compare Kruger's first five years at OU to Hoiberg's five years at ISU, you'll find Kruger had a better record everywhere except the conference tournament -- which he made up for by going to the Final Four.

Hoiberg may yet turn out better than Kruger, but he sure hasn't proved it.

It's not just an OU vs ISU comparison. Lon has coached at a lot of P5 schools, and he's never matched Hoiberg's record. He did once at UNLV, but that's at a mid-major.

And the short tenure should be a disadvantage in some regards (Big XII tournament success), and has no relevance in others (H2H).

 

[Eielson]

Guess my point is it might have been a bit easier to recruit to isu for basketball vs ou...who knows what he would do here.

Kind of like LR going to isu vs ou...ou has a name in football, kids see that.

I personally think LK is close to done. I don't care for his "learn on the court" style of coaching...only works if you have the right guys...which again the evaluation falls on him.

We'll see what happens next year.

Pretending ISU is a better basketball school than OU is silly. It's not even close historically.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I don't know if Hoiberg is better than Lon. Let's see how Hoiberg's career stacks with Lon's when Fred has been coaching 30 years.

Both failed in the NBA so in that regard they are even.

Count me as one who doesn't expect Nebraska to be any better with Fred than without him.

 

[WTSooner]

Not saying I want Fred at OU (not saying I wouldn't), but I think it's pretty easy to say his upside, today, is higher than Lon's.

 

[Eielson]

I don't know if Hoiberg is better than Lon. Let's see how Hoiberg's career stacks with Lon's when Fred has been coaching 30 years.

Both failed in the NBA so in that regard they are even.

Count me as one who doesn't expect Nebraska to be any better with Fred than without him.

Hoiberg didnt exactly fail in the pros. He only had one losing record in his 3 seasons, and that was with a gutted roster.

I'm not saying Hoiberg is a HOF coach if his career ended today, but he did appear to be one of the finest coaches in the country during his time at ISU.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Pretending ISU is a better basketball school than OU is silly. It's not even close historically.

don't have the time to look it up....only talking about fans in seats...kids want to play in front of fans...kids now don't care what happened 20 yrs ago..about 5 yrs max I'd say.

yes, that isn't ALL but it's a part. Maybe back in Billy's days the arena was full..

lol, dang ya got me "defending" LK which I'm not wanting to do. I do think he's about done. We'll see what happens.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Big-10
Huskers

 

[Eielson]

They signed him. Waiting to announce.

What a time to be a Nebraska fan.

This is the one time I had inside information to share. May never happen again, so I wanted to draw attention to it.

 

[WaymanFan]

It's scary to think that Nebraska has never won an NCAA Tournament game. Let that sink in. Since Northwestern won their first a couple years back, I'm not sure any other P-5 school is still "o-fer". They have had their chances, most notably in 1994 when they were a #3 seed led by Eric Piatkowski. They actually sent 6-7 players to the NBA back in the 1990s (Tyrun Lue an Mikki Moore were a couple others).

I'd like to think Hoiberg will get them a few wins...but finishing in the top half of the Big 10 most years would seemingly be the high-end goal. It was a great hire for Nebraska, but I'm not seeing where he was the second best coach in the Big XII when he was at ISU. Self and Huggins are or will be in the HOF, so I have no idea how anyone else could be #2.