GAME 12 - OKLAHOMA (8-3) vs Stetson (4-8) 8:00pm CST on SECNETWORK

[BoulderSooner]

 

[TEvans4Three]

If you’re gonna play awful teams then you need to blow em out. I dig it

This needs to/must happen.

Happy that we got another 30+ win against a 300+ KP team.

However, we did drop from 97 to 107 in KP AdjD and 24th to 27th in AdjO since the Oklahoma State game...which isn't a great trend.

 

[WichitaSooner]

We moved from 61 to 52 NET. Another example of why it’s important not to screw around in these games. The players can’t do anything about the crappy schedule Moser gives them, but they need to hammer these teams more consistently.

 

[BoulderSooner]

We moved from 61 to 52 NET. Another example of why it’s important not to screw around in these games. The players can’t do anything about the crappy schedule Moser gives them, but they need to hammer these teams more consistently.

also up 4 spots in kenpom ..

 

[cowboysooner]

My Thoughts on the game: First, crazy shooting night. It would be impressive to shoot 75% if we were just shooting in warm up and a defender wasn't on the court. Second, I thought we played unselfishly throughout the game, which you don't normally see in blowouts. And lastly, our weakness to this point is defense, and I'm not sure whether last night's game tells us much about whether we have improved.

Unrelated, but I think the first two games of the SEC schedule will be particularly important this year. They are winnable and could give the kids some momentum.

BTW, whatever happened to the 7 foot freshman that was late getting to campus? Is he on the team? If so, anyone heard anything about him?

 

[cmdsooner]

We moved from 61 to 52 NET. Another example of why it’s important not to screw around in these games. The players can’t do anything about the crappy schedule Moser gives them, but they need to hammer these teams more consistently.

And another example of why the current system is ridiculous.

 

[WichitaSooner]

And another example of why the current system is ridiculous.

Not at all. Good teams blowout bad teams. It’s true in every sport at every level. Point differential is a great predictive metric.

 

[cmdsooner]

Not at all. Good teams blowout bad teams. It’s true in every sport at every level. Point differential is a great predictive metric.

NET doesn’t even directly use point differential. The difference shown is more about changes in efficiency numbers.

No win over a 300+ ranked team should move a team from 61 to 52 this far along into the season, I don’t care if it’s by 100 points. It also shouldn’t matter that I kept my starters in for 38 minutes and ran those numbers up vs another team who sat them 5 minutes into the second half and played developmental guys all half, but maybe sacrificed some efficiency.

Does it bother you that Nebraska is undefeated and beat 8-3 Illinois on the road last week but they’re still below them in NET because we can’t see the forest for the trees? I get that Illinois has faced the tougher schedule but they just played in Champaign and Nebraska hasn’t lost a game.

I feel like I know your thoughts on this: Did last night’s win reveal something meaningful about OU?

This is our “sorting tool” and not meant to be a resume ranking, but I think it could do a better job of sorting.

 

[WichitaSooner]

NET doesn’t even directly use point differential. The difference shown is more about changes in efficiency numbers.

No win over a 300+ ranked team should move a team from 61 to 52 this far along into the season, I don’t care if it’s by 100 points. It also shouldn’t matter that I kept my starters in for 38 minutes and ran those numbers up vs another team who sat them 5 minutes into the second half and played developmental guys all half, but maybe sacrificed some efficiency.

Does it bother you that Nebraska is undefeated and beat 8-3 Illinois on the road last week but they’re still below them in NET because we can’t see the forest for the trees? I get that Illinois has faced the tougher schedule but they just played in Champaign and Nebraska hasn’t lost a game.

I feel like I know your thoughts on this: Did last night’s win reveal something meaningful about OU?

This is our “sorting tool” and not meant to be a resume ranking, but I think it could do a better job of sorting.

KenPom is one of the metrics the committee relies on and it does directly utilize point per possession metrics offensively and defensively, so that’s why it’s important to blow teams out.

Does last night reveal anything to me about our team? Absolutely not, which is why I hate Moser for scheduling more than half our games against high school level teams. But whether it reveals anything to me is irrelevant to whether it matters in the grand scheme of making the tournament.

People get so hung up on complaining about metrics but never offer any better alternatives. Should we go back to the old days when all that mattered was your record and you could play an entire noncon of cupcakes and inflate your record? Does anyone really believe that if team A blows out every bad team they play and team B struggles to win that it shouldn’t matter?

Illinois and Nebraska … a one spot difference in December doesn’t matter to me, and it wouldn’t if OU was involved. We are miles ahead of ASU even though they boat raced us on a neutral court. And that’s fine because one head to head game is a tiny sample. That’s what people who complain about metrics don’t understand or don’t like. One head to head result don’t get more weight in the predictive metrics. If Illinois and Nebraska end up with very similar resumes, the committee certainly could look at that game as a factor. But they play again in a couple months, so why worry about it now?

 

[BoulderSooner]

 

[TEvans4Three]

And another example of why the current system is ridiculous.

To be fair, I do not like the NET, it is more archaic.

I am clearly pro-KenPom and adding some EvanMiya/Torvik rankings into the mix.

Efficiency metrics are an insanely good predictor at team and tournament success.

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Good teams blowout bad teams, rocket science degree or not. So those victories factor into efficiency metrics.

 

[cmdsooner]

KenPom is one of the metrics the committee relies on and it does directly utilize point per possession metrics offensively and defensively, so that’s why it’s important to blow teams out.

Does last night reveal anything to me about our team? Absolutely not, which is why I hate Moser for scheduling more than half our games against high school level teams. But whether it reveals anything to me is irrelevant to whether it matters in the grand scheme of making the tournament.

People get so hung up on complaining about metrics but never offer any better alternatives. Should we go back to the old days when all that mattered was your record and you could play an entire noncon of cupcakes and inflate your record? Does anyone really believe that if team A blows out every bad team they play and team B struggles to win that it shouldn’t matter?

Illinois and Nebraska … a one spot difference in December doesn’t matter to me, and it wouldn’t if OU was involved. We are miles ahead of ASU even though they boat raced us on a neutral court. And that’s fine because one head to head game is a tiny sample. That’s what people who complain about metrics don’t understand or don’t like. One head to head result don’t get more weight in the predictive metrics. If Illinois and Nebraska end up with very similar resumes, the committee certainly could look at that game as a factor. But they play again in a couple months, so why worry about it now?

I understand the metrics, ********* EDIT MOD NOT NEEDED**********

The point is that it’s flawed and too heavily relied upon. In no world should an undefeated team who beat a 3 loss team on the road be ranked below that team. Not at this point in the season or ever. Does it really matter that Illinois scored 113 points twice against some scrubs? The metrics they use are extremely flawed.

I mentioned NET specifically, and not KenPom, because that’s what you mentioned specifically.

You don’t think last night means anything at all, but it’s simultaneously worth moving OU up 9 spots in the system you’re currently defending. Do you not see how dumb that sounds?

 

[WichitaSooner]

I understand the metrics, ********* EDIT MOD NOT NEEDED**********

The point is that it’s flawed and too heavily relied upon. In no world should an undefeated team who beat a 3 loss team on the road be ranked below that team. Not at this point in the season or ever. Does it really matter that Illinois scored 113 points twice against some scrubs? The metrics they use are extremely flawed.

I mentioned NET specifically, and not KenPom, because that’s what you mentioned specifically.

You don’t think last night means anything at all, but it’s simultaneously worth moving OU up 9 spots in the system you’re currently defending. Do you not see how dumb that sounds?

You again miss the point. My personal feelings don’t matter about whether last night in and of itself does/should reveal anything about our team. The reality is that it does matter, whether you, or I, like it. Everyone knows it matters, so given that, you need to beat the crap out of bad teams.

 

[skyvue]

Good teams blowout bad teams, rocket science degree or not. So those victories factor into efficiency metrics.

Or sometimes they get a little bored in the second half and the losing team battles to the end, making it a little closer than the analytics say it should have been. That's a very specific situation that has zero--nada, nothing--to do with what that same team would do in a tense game in a tourney setting.

The full-on body embrace of numbers as a stand-alone determinant without any consideration of the specific context in which those numbers are accumulated is one of the worst developments in recent sports history. No offense to those who love this stuff, but freaking out because your team beat a bad squad by just 22 points and not 29 or 30 and acting as though that's any indicator of future success (or the lack thereof) leaves me shaking my head.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Or sometimes they get a little bored in the second half and the losing team battles to the end, making it a little closer than the analytics say it should have been. That's a very specific situation that has zero--nada, nothing--to do with what that same team would do in a tense game in a tourney setting.

The full-on body embrace of numbers as a stand-alone determinant without any consideration of the specific context in which those numbers are accumulated is one of the worst developments in recent sports history. No offense to those who love this stuff, but freaking out because your team beat a bad squad by just 22 points and not 29 or 30 and acting as though that's any indicator of future success (or the lack thereof) leaves me shaking my head.

Shake away. You’re more than welcome to be wrong.

 

[allday92]

Shake away. You’re more than welcome to be wrong.

He's not wrong. Cleaning the Glass which is the gold standard for basketball metrics tracks garbage time stats. It's a shame that the NCAA hasn't found a way to incorporate Cleaning the Glass metrics for all D1 games. If NBA teams think the context/nuance of these situation matters, so should the committee.

 

[WichitaSooner]

He's not wrong. Cleaning the Glass which is the gold standard for basketball metrics tracks garbage time stats. It's a shame that the NCAA hasn't found a way to incorporate Cleaning the Glass metrics for all D1 games. If NBA teams think the context/nuance of these situation matters, so should the committee.

Big difference between nba and college. Basically every second of 7 of our noncon games is garbage time due to the massive talent disparity. But in the aggregate, it is still absolutely true that better teams blow teams like Stetson out by wider margins than average or bad teams. If you have a 45-pt lead with three minutes left and get outscored by 10 the rest of the way, you will still do well from a metrics standpoint. If you play poorly for an entire half (or an entire game) and only win by 10-20, then you will rightly get dinged.