GAME 5 - OKLAHOMA (2-2) vs Oral Roberts (2-3) 7:00pm CST on SECNETWORK+

[IBSooner]

I specifically remember one rebound where 3 guys stood and watched while an ORU player went past them and grabbed it. Those plays should never never happen

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Something has to be up for him not to play. Injury, complete doghouse, Someone needs to ask.

I think Moser has shown he doesn't play kids if he doesn't think they are ready.
He doesn't seem to put much stock in getting kids minutes early in season. Whoever is most ready will play.
I don't like it but it seems pretty clear

 

[daqman]

I think Moser has shown he doesn't play kids if he doesn't think they are ready.
He doesn't seem to put much stock in getting kids minutes early in season. Whoever is most ready will play.
I don't like it but it seems pretty clear

i have no problem with moser's approach. when you have so many new players/starters....i think it's imperative to get your starter group as many minutes playing together as possible. freshmen can learn in practice.

 

[WaymanFan]

I think Moser has shown he doesn't play kids if he doesn't think they are ready.
He doesn't seem to put much stock in getting kids minutes early in season. Whoever is most ready will play.
I don't like it but it seems pretty clear

I would definitely agree with that, but it is frustrating for our fans. ORU is the perfect opponent for someone like Rogers to show he can help us this year. I'm at least glad to see Jones can play. We need the depth for sure, especially since Nwankwo is underperforming what we expected.

 

[cvangild]

Not sure if anyone else was paying attention, but Wake gave Tech a GAME! They only lost by 1...and looked pretty darn good (I had both games on). That will be a very tough game for us. They look pretty athletic and have a stud (Juke Harris) who will give us problems. The dude is averaging 22 ppg and about 7 rpg. They only have two losses to #6 Mich and now #15 Tech...both by only 1 point.

As far as this game, much better effort overall. Jadon Jones was better than I expected him to be, for not playing in an actual game in about 1.5 years. If he continues to improve...I'm not so sure I wouldn't start him at the wing over Reid. I'm not sure Porter will actually make that change in the starting line-up...but it would be nice to be able to bring in a guy like Reid off the bench. Jones is a lefty and has an unusual looking shot release, but he's shot the 3 ball well over his college career at 37%. He's a guy I want shooting anytime he's open. Like others have mentioned...I really don't want to see Reid or Davis jacking up 3's, unless they are 100% wide open. Nwankwo may be in that bucket too...although he did shoot 37% in juco ball...but he shouldn't be forcing any. I'd rather see him drive to the hole. I also wish Rogers would have played more last night. We HAVE to develop more depth at that position, because we all know there will be many games where Wague can't play 30+ minutes...due to his history of getting in foul trouble. Heck, Northweather has been averaging 20 mpg for Mizzou and has actually started some games. I wish we still had him...simply for depth. He's shooting over 60% from 3 so far this year! The guy did have a nice stroke for a big man.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Moser Wague and Jones

 

[BCSooners]

I have no problem with Rogers getting no minutes if he's not working hard in practice. That's a standard you set and you have to stick to it. I also think with Jones being back you'll see more of Davis as the backup 5 with Reid, JN, and Atak playing the 4.

 

[cowboysooner]

Overall, I thought the team played well last night. Specific thoughts would be I think Rogers, Reid, and Nwonkwo are all works in progress. They all have talent but "holes" in their games, but I think will progress as the years goes along.

Like all three of our shorter guards. Pack is just an elite shooter.

Wague has really progressed. Tough for any "5" to stay out of foul trouble. Unless there is real progress by Rogers, whoever said we will ultimately see Davis as the backup 5 more than Rogers, is probably right.

Atak will be an important piece depending on the game. I think he and Reid will split time at the 4.

Not sure who sits, but I think they ultimately start Jones. Outside of Pack, he may be our best player. One thing is for sure, we are better on defense when he is in the game.

One of the things that is different about this team from other OU teams in the past few years, when we go "small" we really aren't that small. At one point last night, we had Davis, Reid, Atak and Jones in the game (wague and Rogers out). That is a pretty big lineup really.

And finally, I am really starting to think Brown is a lot better than I originally thought. Kid is pretty heady and does a good job of getting into our offensive flow. Not bad on defense either.

I still can't make up my mind on who I think should start and what the rotations should be.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

i have no problem with moser's approach. when you have so many new players/starters....i think it's imperative to get your starter group as many minutes playing together as possible. freshmen can learn in practice.

I haven't had a big issue with it until this year with Rogers just because of our lack of depth.
Hopefully he gets more minutes going forward

 

[allday92]

I have no problem with Rogers getting no minutes if he's not working hard in practice. That's a standard you set and you have to stick to it. I also think with Jones being back you'll see more of Davis as the backup 5 with Reid, JN, and Atak playing the 4.

I get the side that wanted him to get more minutes, but at the same time the defense needs to gel with the top 8 guys. They were not on a string with their rotations in the Nebraska game, and the top 8 guys need more minutes together. Davis is probably a better backup C at this point than Rogers.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I have no problem with Rogers getting no minutes if he's not working hard in practice. That's a standard you set and you have to stick to it. I also think with Jones being back you'll see more of Davis as the backup 5 with Reid, JN, and Atak playing the 4.

If it were actually true, sure. But it’s just an excuse. Hell, Moser obviously doesn’t truly care about holding players to standards, or else he wouldn’t allow awful shooters to continue jacking up a ton of threes, and he wouldn’t consistently field a team that gets out rebounded, even when they have the size and athleticism to win that battle more often than not. From what Manzer said, it sounds like it is just the typical freshman issue of having to learn how much harder you have to compete at the college level, not truly a matter of laziness or not trying. That’s something that just takes time, and also something that you learn through playing.

 

[Boom Soon]

I get the side that wanted him to get more minutes, but at the same time the defense needs to gel with the top 8 guys. They were not on a string with their rotations in the Nebraska game, and the top 8 guys need more minutes together. Davis is probably a better backup C at this point than Rogers.

My feelings.

 

[CoachTalk]

If it were actually true, sure. But it’s just an excuse. Hell, Moser obviously doesn’t truly care about holding players to standards, or else he wouldn’t allow awful shooters to continue jacking up a ton of threes, and he wouldn’t consistently field a team that gets out rebounded, even when they have the size and athleticism to win that battle more often than not. From what Manzer said, it sounds like it is just the typical freshman issue of having to learn how much harder you have to compete at the college level, not truly a matter of laziness or not trying. That’s something that just takes time, and also something that you learn through playing.

This paragraph proves youre clueless when it comes to coaching.

Point 1- "holding players to standards, or else he wouldn’t allow awful shooters to continue jacking up a ton of threes"
Which awful shooter is jacking a ton of 3's? you want rogers to play even if he's not ready or saying its an "excuse" but you dont want 35-40% career 3pt shooters to shoot the ball...

Point 2- "you learn through playing" you get hour and 45 mins everyday to compete in practice. Why would you put him in there if he cant compete hard in practice?

In short.. you dont want shooters to shoot out of the "slump" but want guys that dont practice hard to get mins and call it "learn through playing"


Talking out both sides of you mouth.

How many practices has Manzer been to?

 

[BCSooners]

If it were actually true, sure. But it’s just an excuse. Hell, Moser obviously doesn’t truly care about holding players to standards, or else he wouldn’t allow awful shooters to continue jacking up a ton of threes, and he wouldn’t consistently field a team that gets out rebounded, even when they have the size and athleticism to win that battle more often than not. From what Manzer said, it sounds like it is just the typical freshman issue of having to learn how much harder you have to compete at the college level, not truly a matter of laziness or not trying. That’s something that just takes time, and also something that you learn through playing.

What do you mean if it were actually true? Have you been to practice or heard otherwise? You don't just play guys because you'll need them later, they have to earn it in practice and playing hard. I'll trust coaches and insiders info more than your hatred for Moser.

 

[WichitaSooner]

What do you mean if it were actually true? Have you been to practice or heard otherwise? You don't just play guys because you'll need them later, they have to earn it in practice and playing hard. I'll trust coaches and insiders info more than your hatred for Moser.

Unlike some of you, I’m capable of learning fr history. I also am capable of listening to what Manzer said. He never said he isn’t playing hard. He said he is like most freshmen and just has to learn what the difference between high school and college.

 

[WichitaSooner]

This paragraph proves youre clueless when it comes to coaching.

Point 1- "holding players to standards, or else he wouldn’t allow awful shooters to continue jacking up a ton of threes"
Which awful shooter is jacking a ton of 3's? you want rogers to play even if he's not ready or saying its an "excuse" but you dont want 35-40% career 3pt shooters to shoot the ball...

Point 2- "you learn through playing" you get hour and 45 mins everyday to compete in practice. Why would you put him in there if he cant compete hard in practice?

In short.. you dont want shooters to shoot out of the "slump" but want guys that dont practice hard to get mins and call it "learn through playing"


Talking out both sides of you mouth.

How many practices has Manzer been to?

Davis has played three college seasons and never shot better than 30 percent and shot 11 percent and 16 percent in two of his seasons. Reid shot 26 percent last season and his shot looks awful. JN has never played college basketball before this season and is at 7 percent with his line drive shot. They are combining for 8 attempts per game, which is 8 possessions that are essentially wasted. As color commentators have pointed out, when those guys shoot threes, the other team is happy.

But sure, let’s allow Davis to shoot himself out of his now 100 game “slump.” I’m sure Buddy Biancalana was just a few at bats away from establishing himself as a good big league hitter, if only he had a bit more time to prove it.

 

[CoachTalk]

Davis has played three college seasons and never shot better than 30 percent and shot 11 percent and 16 percent in two of his seasons. Reid shot 26 percent last season and his shot looks awful. JN has never played college basketball before this season and is at 7 percent with his line drive shot. They are combining for 8 attempts per game, which is 8 possessions that are essentially wasted. As color commentators have pointed out, when those guys shoot threes, the other team is happy.

But sure, let’s allow Davis to shoot himself out of his now 100 game “slump.” I’m sure Buddy Biancalana was just a few at bats away from establishing himself as a good big league hitter, if only he had a bit more time to prove it.

Oh guys cant improve... got it... Lets not let them those 3 guys shoot 8 3's a game? 5 games in...

Jeez. I thought you were suppose to work on it in game like Rogers? That not the case?

 

[BoulderSooner]

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[WichitaSooner]

Oh guys cant improve... got it... Lets not let them those 3 guys shoot 8 3's a game? 5 games in...

Jeez. I thought you were suppose to work on it in game like Rogers? That not the case?

So you make a point, I completely prove you wrong (you said they are 35 percent career shooters lol, do you even try to look at any facts before spouting off), then you change to a generic argument that “guys can improve.” Ok, so should Mo shoot threes? Should Sam have shot threes?

And in Davis’s case in particular, we aren’t five games in. We are 100 games into his career. What you’ve done in the past matters. It should absolutely affect how long the leash is. Nothing about his history suggests he is close to turning a corner. Look at his career FT numbers. He is essentially a 72 percent shooter, which is below average, and certainly not good enough to indicate he has the potential to make enough threes to justify shooting them more than once in a while if he is wide open. If he has one spot where is can consistently make them, sure. But the issue is that all three of those guys are taking them with no hesitation, as if they are as good a shooters as Pack and Brown.

 

[allday92]

So you make a point, I completely prove you wrong (you said they are 35 percent career shooters lol, do you even try to look at any facts before spouting off), then you change to a generic argument that “guys can improve.” Ok, so should Mo shoot threes? Should Sam have shot threes?

And in Davis’s case in particular, we aren’t five games in. We are 100 games into his career. What you’ve done in the past matters. It should absolutely affect how long the leash is. Nothing about his history suggests he is close to turning a corner. Look at his career FT numbers. He is essentially a 72 percent shooter, which is below average, and certainly not good enough to indicate he has the potential to make enough threes to justify shooting them more than once in a while if he is wide open. If he has one spot where is can consistently make them, sure. But the issue is that all three of those guys are taking them with no hesitation, as if they are as good a shooters as Pack and Brown.

Reid and Davis are averaging 2.3 and 2.0 3 point attempts per game. There may be some games where it's more or some where it's less, but this is a healthy 3 point volume for them and the offense.