Game day OU vs UCF now FSOK

[NickZepp]

I'm not sure JB should be playing as a shooting guard until he makes shots. The Sooners just aren't good enough to play guys that can't shoot.

 

[daqman]

We have 5 guards and 4 bad options currently. And the only reason I don't say 5 bad options is because Hill hasn't really taken enough shots to form an opinion.
This is the worst outlook for a conference season I've had in a long time. Zero confidence we can even win our home games.

 

[stormspencer]

We have 5 guards and 4 bad options currently. And the only reason I don't say 5 bad options is because Hill hasn't really taken enough shots to form an opinion.
This is the worst outlook for a conference season I've had in a long time. Zero confidence we can even win our home games.

If there is a glimmer of hope, it is that the Big 12 doesn't appear to be near as good this season....especially in the bottom half of the conference (Kenpom ratings):
ISU (#41) - they've been blown out at home by a good Iowa team. But their results are eerily similar to ours....beat mediocre teams, lose to good teams.
OSU (#42) - until they get their best player back, they are going to continue to have issues.
Texas (#60) - they have a gaudy record and one really good win (Purdue), but other than that, their schedule has been atrocious other than Georgetown and Providence ( and both those teams blew them out)
TCU (#67) - their best win is UC-Irvine and they've lost to the only three teams that they've played who actually have a pulse.
KSU (#87) - they have five losses...and a few of those are to very mediocre teams. I would put them and TCU in the 9/10 spot in the Big 12 currently.

 

[NickZepp]

If there is a glimmer of hope, it is that the Big 12 doesn't appear to be near as good this season....especially in the bottom half of the conference (Kenpom ratings):
ISU (#41) - they've been blown out at home by a good Iowa team. But their results are eerily similar to ours....beat mediocre teams, lose to good teams.
OSU (#42) - until they get their best player back, they are going to continue to have issues.
Texas (#60) - they have a gaudy record and one really good win (Purdue), but other than that, their schedule has been atrocious other than Georgetown and Providence ( and both those teams blew them out)
TCU (#67) - their best win is UC-Irvine and they've lost to the only three teams that they've played who actually have a pulse.
KSU (#87) - they have five losses...and a few of those are to very mediocre teams. I would put them and TCU in the 9/10 spot in the Big 12 currently.

Yep and Tech hasn't really been impressive yet either other than one win over a number 1 team. Kansas may be the best team in the conference by default. Oklahoma State will probably be really good when they get healthy.

 

[thebigabd]

Yep and Tech hasn't really been impressive yet either other than one win over a number 1 team. Kansas may be the best team in the conference by default. Oklahoma State will probably be really good when they get healthy.

But when you are barely escaping William & Mary, Central Florida, North Texas, etc names like Texas Tech, Iowa State, Texas, TCU, etc don't seem very automatic.

 

[oudna]

If there is a glimmer of hope, it is that the Big 12 doesn't appear to be near as good this season....especially in the bottom half of the conference (Kenpom ratings):
ISU (#41) - they've been blown out at home by a good Iowa team. But their results are eerily similar to ours....beat mediocre teams, lose to good teams.
OSU (#42) - until they get their best player back, they are going to continue to have issues.
Texas (#60) - they have a gaudy record and one really good win (Purdue), but other than that, their schedule has been atrocious other than Georgetown and Providence ( and both those teams blew them out)
TCU (#67) - their best win is UC-Irvine and they've lost to the only three teams that they've played who actually have a pulse.
KSU (#87) - they have five losses...and a few of those are to very mediocre teams. I would put them and TCU in the 9/10 spot in the Big 12 currently.

RealTime RPI

1 Kansas
2 WVU
11 OU
19 OSU
21 BU
47 Texas
71 Tech
145 TCU
150 ISU
158 KSU

 

[hoopsaustin]

RealTime RPI

1 Kansas
2 WVU
11 OU
19 OSU
21 BU
47 Texas
71 Tech
145 TCU
150 ISU
158 KSU

That gives me a shred of hope but i think we're 9th or last in big 12 by the end of conference if things don't turn 180 degrees

 

[steverocks35]

That RPI is pretty laughable, I wouldn't feel confident that we would beat any other Big 12 team right now.

 

[Soonercpa2011]

That RPI is pretty laughable, I wouldn't feel confident that we would beat any other Big 12 team right now.

It ridiculous that people keep saying this..?? Anybody just watch Minnesota beat the crap out of osu?? Yeah, the team OU beat...

Other than KU and maybe Baylor there aren’t any teams OU wouldn’t have a good chance to beat

 

[TINY]

That RPI is pretty laughable, I wouldn't feel confident that we would beat any other Big 12 team right now.

Your analysis is laughable.

 

[steverocks35]

Your analysis is laughable.

<shrugs> I call them like I see them. We got extremely lucky to beat North Texas. Played terrible and lost to Wichita State and Creighton. Eked out a win against a marginal UCF team at home and scored an embarrassing 53 points in the process. We've been outrebounded 5 out of the last 6 games, including the Stanford game where we got outrebounded by 20. Our offense is so stagnant I expect mold to start growing on our uniforms. We have guards that can't make a 3 point shot unguarded. So until that changes I stand by my analysis. I really hope they prove me wrong.

By the way, I just noticed that one of UCF's losses was at the hands of the mighty Penn Quakers who had 22 turnovers and 20 team fouls in the game and still won.

 

[daqman]

<shrugs> I call them like I see them. We got extremely lucky to beat North Texas. Played terrible and lost to Wichita State and Creighton. Eked out a win against a marginal UCF team at home and scored an embarrassing 53 points in the process. We've been outrebounded 5 out of the last 6 games, including the Stanford game where we got outrebounded by 20. Our offense is so stagnant I expect mold to start growing on our uniforms. We have guards that can't make a 3 point shot unguarded. So until that changes I stand by my analysis. I really hope they prove me wrong.

By the way, I just noticed that one of UCF's losses was at the hands of the mighty Penn Quakers who had 22 turnovers and 20 team fouls in the game and still won.

That's basically how I see it.

 

[WichitaSooner]

<shrugs> I call them like I see them. We got extremely lucky to beat North Texas. Played terrible and lost to Wichita State and Creighton. Eked out a win against a marginal UCF team at home and scored an embarrassing 53 points in the process. We've been outrebounded 5 out of the last 6 games, including the Stanford game where we got outrebounded by 20. Our offense is so stagnant I expect mold to start growing on our uniforms. We have guards that can't make a 3 point shot unguarded. So until that changes I stand by my analysis. I really hope they prove me wrong.

By the way, I just noticed that one of UCF's losses was at the hands of the mighty Penn Quakers who had 22 turnovers and 20 team fouls in the game and still won.

WSU is easily a top 30 team right now. We played them on the road and despite not shooting well, had possession with the lead with under two to play. It just amazes me that after every game we play, the analysis of so many is that we played terrible. Look at what WSU just did to VCU. Basketball involves a lot more than shooting. But I know this is pointless, some of our posters are convinced that the only way we ever win or stay close in games is luck. For example, what happened at North Texas to make us lucky? Did we benefit from horrible officiating? Did one of their players get hurt? Did we secretly suit up Buddy and no one noticed? I get it, we played bad defense and trailed most of the night. But at the end of 40 minutes, without any fluke plays or help from the refs, we had more points on the scoreboard.

Clearly we have lots of problems we need to clean up. Rebounding, guard play, awful first half play. We will love lots of games going forward if we don't fix those things. But to discount so many games that have already been played and won is just silly. If we had lost those games, I'm quite sure people would be focusing on the end result, so maybe we should do the same when we win rather than always chalking it up to luck.

 

[Stikboy]

While I agree that it doesn’t seem that we could beat any Big 12 team right now, of course we will end up winning a few. There will be some outlier games where some guys get hot and some of the team may decide to get some defensive energy. So what? How bad has it gotten that we are even talking about striving to go .500 in conference? Wow how this program has fallen. OU basketball used to be and should still be AT LEAST 11 wins in conference. It’s laughable and predictable how some on this board will absolutely lose their * when OU wins a conference game and proclaim all is ok, and begin insulting any poster with a speck of realism. #waitonit

 

[Soonercpa2011]

Why is your opinion “realism”. It’s just your opinion. People that think they will be at least 500 or better in conference are what I SAY are realistic

 

[skyvue]

Eked out a win against a marginal UCF team at home

Regarding UCF's game against Penn: citing one loss proves nothing. UCF is 90th in Realtime RPI -- not great, not terrible -- but here's some context: That's 55 spots better than TCU, 60 spots better than ISU and 68 spots better than KSU. So belittling our win over UCF while also touting our supposed inferiority to every other Big 12 team doesn't really gibe.

As for our game with UCF, both teams finished 20 points below their season average. Why? The officiating was absurdly lax (both ways). If the officials swallow their whistles for the whole game, as they did in that game, the game's going to be a defensive grind and low-scoring nine times out of ten. OU held UCF to their lowest point total of the season (by a margin of 15 points), so if you're going to blame OU for its low point total, you have to give the Sooners credit for UCF's even lower point total.

Every season, too many posters refuse to dig below the surface even a little bit. It's easier just to rag on the team and not do any analysis at all. As with the last few seasons, we again have faced a very tough schedule so far -- 15th in the country -- and of course, it's only going to get tougher. But if you're unwilling to at least consider the schedule when critiquing the team, you're being unfair.

I'm not thrilled with the team's recent play, but they played better than this earlier in the season, so which is the real team? I don't know, and neither do you. I hope we're just in a slump -- it remains to be seen. But most of the teams in the Big 12 have yet to live up to expectations so far, and to insist otherwise is either nonsense or ignorance.

 

[skyvue]

While I agree that it doesn’t seem that we could beat any Big 12 team right now

Do you have even a clue how the seasons of the other Big 12 teams have gone to this point? It would seem not.

 

[daqman]

It's comforting to know the conference sucks this year and we might be able to compete.

 

[WTSooner]

It's comforting to know the conference sucks this year and we might be able to compete.

True. Good year for it to be down.

 

[Soonercpa2011]

It’s as good or better than the rest. I guess college basketball just must suck to you guys