Griner suspension

[sybarite]

http://news.yahoo.com/griner-johnso...vbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDVklQMTMxXzEEc2VjA3Nj

Consider this. Griner and her spouse were suspended from professional basketball by the WNBA for seven games for a fight that occurred at home.

Baylor suspended Griner for how long for a fight that occurred on court?

 

[womenssports]

I believe the domestic abuse is much more serious. Plus, charges were filed by the state against Britney and her fiance.

The NCAA did not require more than what Baylor did.

I like Griner. She may have some issues but who doesn't? The thing is hers are played out in public. Not saying I believe in ANY physical violence because I do not but after her Freshman year, Griner did well. I can't believe it would be easy growing up in her shoes and I understand that she had some anger issus.

I guess though your point was in reference to Baylor vs the WNBA and my first two comments address that. Further, re the WNBA, they have had fights on court which did not result in 7 game suspensions. The main difference being is that in when playing a physical game people become frustrated and do things in the heat of the moment and that is quite different from fighting in a domestic situation or any other situation.......well, most often it is.

 

[MsProudSooner]

I think the WNBA sent a message. I hope all the player's get it.

 

[sybarite]

The point is not whether you like Griner or not, nor is it about which is the more serious crime (both being assault). It is about the fact that the WNBA, which does not pretend to have a mission to teach standards, was more firm than a university which does have the responsibility to teach standards.

 

[scrybe]

I believe the domestic abuse is much more serious. Plus, charges were filed by the state against Britney and her fiance.

The NCAA did not require more than what Baylor did.

I like Griner. She may have some issues but who doesn't? The thing is hers are played out in public. Not saying I believe in ANY physical violence because I do not but after her Freshman year, Griner did well. I can't believe it would be easy growing up in her shoes and I understand that she had some anger issus.

I guess though your point was in reference to Baylor vs the WNBA and my first two comments address that. Further, re the WNBA, they have had fights on court which did not result in 7 game suspensions. The main difference being is that in when playing a physical game people become frustrated and do things in the heat of the moment and that is quite different from fighting in a domestic situation or any other situation.......well, most often it is.

For a moment there, I thought you were serious. Then I realized you were just joking. You were joking, right?

 

[womenssports]

The point is not whether you like Griner or not, nor is it about which is the more serious crime (both being assault). It is about the fact that the WNBA, which does not pretend to have a mission to teach standards, was more firm than a university which does have the responsibility to teach standards.

You are right it is not about whether I like Griner or not. It is about the difference in how the WNBA and Baylor addressed the different situations. I actually said that. You cannot address how the two handled the situations without addressing the difference in them. PLUS, the NCAA is about teaching standards and they did not mete out more than Baylor. These situations are not analogous. OF COURSE, jmo which goes without saying.

 

[womenssports]

For a moment there, I thought you were serious. Then I realized you were just joking. You were joking, right?

Of course, you can't just disagree, you have to make it personal, right? NOT joking at all. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND the difference in the two situations, well not much I can do to help you.

 

[scrybe]

Of course, you can't just disagree, you have to make it personal, right? NOT joking at all. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND the difference in the two situations, well not much I can do to help you.

Personal? Sorry, no.

Look, getting into a fight is no more acceptable in an athletic setting as it is in someone's home. Assault is assault. Certainly, idiots sometimes lose control of their emotions when playing sports. Just as idiots sometimes do in their own living room or bedroom. One is no more or less acceptable than the other.

 

[womenssports]

Personal? Sorry, no.

Look, getting into a fight is no more acceptable in an athletic setting as it is in someone's home. Assault is assault. Certainly, idiots sometimes lose control of their emotions when playing sports. Just as idiots sometimes do in their own living room or bedroom. One is no more or less acceptable than the other.

When one gets you arrested and the other doesn't, there is a difference. Of course, you can be arrested for assaulting someone on a basketball court, in a football game, etc. In the two incidents which are the subject here, in one she was charged with a crime and in the other, she wasn't. That is a huge difference.

 

[sybarite]

There are beginning to be arrests for excessive behavior on a sports field. The difference is one of social acceptance, not justice. It is an injustice that assault can be perpetrated on a court, but not often prosecuted.

But, the point is that the WNBA took a stand on something that wasn't even within their jurisdiction. The assaults didn't occur during a WNBA sanctioned event, under their control.

The situation with Baylor was a Baylor athlete performing while representing Baylor. Apparently, Baylor is OK with that. A should be criminal assault, not within the spirit of the game, is OK, as long as it doesn't cost you a game.

 

[scrybe]

When one gets you arrested and the other doesn't, there is a difference. Of course, you can be arrested for assaulting someone on a basketball court, in a football game, etc. In the two incidents which are the subject here, in one she was charged with a crime and in the other, she wasn't. That is a huge difference.

I'm not certain why I allowed myself to get involved in this discussion, but I'll give it one more try.

What you seem to be saying is, you can commit murder, but if you're not arrested, it's really not so bad. Get yourself charged, however, and it's like…well, like you murdered someone.

 

[womenssports]

I'm not certain why I allowed myself to get involved in this discussion, but I'll give it one more try.

What you seem to be saying is, you can commit murder, but if you're not arrested, it's really not so bad. Get yourself charged, however, and it's like…well, like you murdered someone.

Keep trying. You are still not making a logical response to what I posted. Throwing in the emoticon really did not help you.

 

[womenssports]

There are beginning to be arrests for excessive behavior on a sports field. The difference is one of social acceptance, not justice. It is an injustice that assault can be perpetrated on a court, but not often prosecuted.

But, the point is that the WNBA took a stand on something that wasn't even within their jurisdiction. The assaults didn't occur during a WNBA sanctioned event, under their control.

The situation with Baylor was a Baylor athlete performing while representing Baylor. Apparently, Baylor is OK with that. A should be criminal assault, not within the spirit of the game, is OK, as long as it doesn't cost you a game.

We both know that justice is not about laws. It is about social standing, gender, race, ethnicity, gender preference, etc. As far as the law, I think we are probably getting into a very specific area of criminal law and circumstances. The same actions aren't always criminal assault. SHOOT, it was no big deal when they rioted after the Kentucky game, not nearly as much as the protests after Baltimore. Same actions, different circumstances, different response from law enforcement which affected response by said rioters and protestors.

Back to Baylor, they did more than the NCAA required plus some actions which they said they would keep private. I think that is exactly what Sherri would have done. Any action beyond suspension, she would have kept private but said that there was further action but that it was private. WHAT would you have had them do?

AND as far as the WNBA, they have had on court incidents just like Britney's and done no more than Baylor. The WNBA did what it did because that is what is now being done in sports with what has happened the past 16 months or so with Rice, Peterson and others. They want to be on the correct side of domestic violence and I am glad about that. Glad the spotlight is making people aware and causing pro sports to take action. Hopefully, that will spread.

Again, I do not agree with any type violence. I don't like verbal abuse and certainly not physical abuse.

Where we seem to be disagreeing is that the WNBA has a higher standard that they hold their players to than the NCAA and/or Baylor, but you are comparing responses to different types of incidents. Comparing the WNBA to Baylor/NCAA in re the Britney incident in the Tech game and the WNBA in numerous games over the years with physical fights, they have been pretty much the same.

 

[sybarite]

What I am saying is that Baylor protected a player who committed an infraction that is very rare rather than exercise the appropriate response which probably would have been a half season suspension. The player was representing Baylor, participating as a representative of Baylor in front of an audience. For Baylor, this was much worse than anything done in the home. That would not be while participating in an activity on behalf of Baylor.

This was one of only two incidents that I have ever seen involving a fist in women's sport. The other was Riley at OSU. The coaches of both schools indicated at first that they hadn't seen the incident. That told me all I needed to know about the coach.

Was it the same year that Baylor got into a fight in the Elite Eight resulting in a hair pulling incident? How often have you seen that? Again, no suspensions. Again, same coach.

Yes, the WNBA was probably influenced by the developments in other abuse cases involving athletes recently. But, don't you think it should have been a university or a coach who made the point instead of the WNBA? Aren't teaching institutions supposed to show how it should be done?

 

[Sooner Cal]

Hypocrisy at Baylor University didn't begin or end with Griner's assault on another player.