Harmon and Bienemy

I think too many people were guilty in thinking Bieniemy would have some seismic leap this year; he shot 39% from the floor last year and 63% from the FT line. Yes, he shot 40% from 3, but that was on 27-67, so it wasn't a big sample at all, plus 10 of the 27 came in three games. He had two VERY VERY good games, two good games, a few solid games, and then did a lot of what he's doing this year; shooting very little and making very little. I said a lot last year, when I was overly critical of him, I just don't know how that helps this team, to have a guy out there 27-33 minutes taking five shots or less. And, I think a lot of people were thinking, with the loss of key contributors this year, he would pick up the slack, when, in reality, he does not have the game or mindset to do so.

Aside from the Minnesota and Oregon State game this year, he's doing the same thing he did last year; taking up minutes, shooting little, making little. After 45 college games, he is what he is; and that's a decent backup guard who might have a flash a few times a month, but is simply better served in a limited capacity while spelling better players. What's more so, not only has he not taken a leap this year, but his game/offensive mindset hasn't either, which to me says he's not capable of it. He constantly passes up wide open shots, which is not the right mentality when you need offensive production on a team severely lacking it. Point being, I don't really know why anything would change going forward, if it hasn't yet.

At this point, Williams has a lot more upside and provides a spark, I just don't see that with Bieniemy. We are 4-on-5 offensively when he is out there, and that is the last thing this team needs. Obviously, the argument for Bieniemy is that there isn't a better option, and that may well be the case; it's not like Williams has been great either. But to me, this is not an aberration with Bieniemy, it is what he is. At least if we give Williams the minutes, it's still yet to be determined what he is, especially if he were the one getting the 27-33 mins a night.

Just one guy's opinion.
 
I think too many people were guilty in thinking Bieniemy would have some seismic leap this year; he shot 39% from the floor last year and 63% from the FT line. Yes, he shot 40% from 3, but that was on 27-67

I had Bienemy making a seismic leap this year... had him around 10-11ppg... Also, last year he led the team in assists by a large margin. Maybe he is naturally a point guard and the introduction of Harmon has messed with his groove? Who knows.... But I really didn't expect him to struggle like this. He seems like a true freshman again out there.

Williams can't shoot, can't play defense, and is not an intelligent player. No thanks. Just gotta keep getting the young kids reps to develop. Throwing in a mediocre JUCO is nothing but a short term bandaid.

Absurd statement.
 
I think too many people were guilty in thinking Bieniemy would have some seismic leap this year; he shot 39% from the floor last year and 63% from the FT line. Yes, he shot 40% from 3, but that was on 27-67, so it wasn't a big sample at all, plus 10 of the 27 came in three games. He had two VERY VERY good games, two good games, a few solid games, and then did a lot of what he's doing this year; shooting very little and making very little. I said a lot last year, when I was overly critical of him, I just don't know how that helps this team, to have a guy out there 27-33 minutes taking five shots or less. And, I think a lot of people were thinking, with the loss of key contributors this year, he would pick up the slack, when, in reality, he does not have the game or mindset to do so.

Aside from the Minnesota and Oregon State game this year, he's doing the same thing he did last year; taking up minutes, shooting little, making little. After 45 college games, he is what he is; and that's a decent backup guard who might have a flash a few times a month, but is simply better served in a limited capacity while spelling better players. What's more so, not only has he not taken a leap this year, but his game/offensive mindset hasn't either, which to me says he's not capable of it. He constantly passes up wide open shots, which is not the right mentality when you need offensive production on a team severely lacking it. Point being, I don't really know why anything would change going forward, if it hasn't yet.

At this point, Williams has a lot more upside and provides a spark, I just don't see that with Bieniemy. We are 4-on-5 offensively when he is out there, and that is the last thing this team needs. Obviously, the argument for Bieniemy is that there isn't a better option, and that may well be the case; it's not like Williams has been great either. But to me, this is not an aberration with Bieniemy, it is what he is. At least if we give Williams the minutes, it's still yet to be determined what he is, especially if he were the one getting the 27-33 mins a night.

Just one guy's opinion.

I had the same take on Bieniemy last year. Wasn't ever really impressed, and didn't see a very high upside.
 
I had the same take on Bieniemy last year. Wasn't ever really impressed, and didn't see a very high upside.

When was the last time you were impressed by a Sooner player? Probably in the Sampson era.

JB had a very good freshman year. He's the kind of player so many people claim to want...heady, disciplined, good defender, does a lot of small things well. But his shooting has been brutal and rather than just pointing out that his PT should decrease till he picks it up, some have concluded that based on these few games, he should be written off. Time will tell. He showed way too much last season for me to think he is a lost cause.
 
When was the last time you were impressed by a Sooner player? Probably in the Sampson era.

JB had a very good freshman year. He's the kind of player so many people claim to want...heady, disciplined, good defender, does a lot of small things well. But his shooting has been brutal and rather than just pointing out that his PT should decrease till he picks it up, some have concluded that based on these few games, he should be written off. Time will tell. He showed way too much last season for me to think he is a lost cause.

Don't do this often, but side with Wichitasooner here.
 
But his shooting has been brutal and rather than just pointing out that his PT should decrease till he picks it up, some have concluded that based on these few games, he should be written off. Time will tell. He showed way too much last season for me to think he is a lost cause.

I think this is the crux of the Bieniemy dilemma and why this is a good discussion. The believers think it's a few recent bad games, the non-believers see the better part of a season and a half. Here's hoping he gets his shot back and becomes at least serviceable on offense, we need all the help we can get.
 
JB is a good player and excellent defender who's in the throes of a horrific shooting slump. My guess is he'll come around, hopefully sooner rather than later.

Being so overtly critical of the players is not helpful.
 
Last season it looked like JB had all the tools to be a very good player. I expected him to seamlessly shift over to the wing and become a consistent scorer both shooting and driving to the basket. So far it appears I was wrong. And from recent history with Kruger's players, I don't have any confidence that will change for the better.
 
Being so overtly critical of the players is not helpful.

Neither is sugar-coating issues with the team/program.

Fact is, nothing posted here hurts or helps the program, so what does it matter?
 
If you couldn't see the promise Bieniemy had last year you should probably just give up critiquing basketball & just watch basketball for exciting dunks & 3 pointers.

He is an excellent controlled basketball player. He's playing out of position. Just like I said during the off season, he is a PG & he's now trying to fit a roll he isn't comfortable in.
 
If you couldn't see the promise Bieniemy had last year you should probably just give up critiquing basketball & just watch basketball for exciting dunks & 3 pointers.

He is an excellent controlled basketball player. He's playing out of position. Just like I said during the off season, he is a PG & he's now trying to fit a roll he isn't comfortable in.

He's still being a playmaker, just because you don't bring the ball up doesn't mean Kruger is telling him to shoot 15 times a game. His assists are on par with last year, the difference is he can't make a wide open shot.
 
If you couldn't see the promise Bieniemy had last year you should probably just give up critiquing basketball & just watch basketball for exciting dunks & 3 pointers.

He is an excellent controlled basketball player. He's playing out of position. Just like I said during the off season, he is a PG & he's now trying to fit a roll he isn't comfortable in.


We don't need any more promises. We need contributors on the scoreboard.
 
If you couldn't see the promise Bieniemy had last year you should probably just give up critiquing basketball & just watch basketball for exciting dunks & 3 pointers.

He is an excellent controlled basketball player. He's playing out of position. Just like I said during the off season, he is a PG & he's now trying to fit a roll he isn't comfortable in.

Well when im being told he was better than chrstian james i expect more.
 
Well when im being told he was better than chrstian james i expect more.

Better defender, ball handler, distributor, higher basketball IQ, etc. Everything but shooting and arguably rebounding, he does better than James. But you absolutely are right to expect more offensively than what he is currently giving us.
 
Neither is sugar-coating issues with the team/program.

Fact is, nothing posted here hurts or helps the program, so what does it matter?

I tend to agree with that last sentence (well, maybe not 9,287 times).
 
you guys were close. Lon decided to start Alondes Williams over Harmon so we'll see ...
g - JB
g - Reaves
g - Alondes Williams
f - Doo
f - manek
 
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