How many Big 12 wins does Capel need to save his job?

[Big Old Booger]

After sampson left the team in ncaa trouble and with no players. That's the difference in why Oklahoma went from 11-5 to 6-10

Well, he left Taylor Griffin, mike Neal, David godbold, longar longar, and had a top notch recruiting class he kept behind. I think that's enough talent to win more than 6 conference games. Sampson won many games in 94 and 95 with similar talent but that was before your time.

 

[Romulus]

With all due respect, the comparisons make any OU hoops fan look like a complete neophyte. No, Jeff Capel going 16-15, with at best 17-14 talent is not quite the same as John Blake losing 73-21 to Nebraska and going 3-8 his first year. And, no, Blake really didn't improve as a coach during his three years. He lost 69-7 in year two to Nebraska. The ONLY reason OU managed to go 5-6 and stay reasonably competitve in most games in year three was because Blake was smart enough to hire a great defensive coordinator...who will be on display this Saturday night when the Jets play the Colts.

BTW, please knock off the garbage about Capel's first year being such a disaster. The previous year's team won 20 games and lost its (far and away) three best players - Taj Gray, Kevin Bookout and Terrell Everett. They were replaced with Bobby Maze and Tony Crocker. So, should they have won 21 in Capel's first year?

Capel has dropped off plenty of equivalent blowouts and now season records. The Blake and Capel comparisons are spot on. Nice guys who are in WAY over there heads.

 

[NickZepp]

After sampson left the team in ncaa trouble and with no players. That's the difference in why Oklahoma went from 11-5 to 6-10

I think that team was a lot more talented than people think. It was young, but probably more talented than it's record. But that's debatable. I've said over and over it was a huge mistake not playing the best player the first half of the season. I would take that talent right now over what we have had the last 2 years. We've had so much less talent the last 2 years than we had in 07.

 

[stoops4pres]

The Blake and Capel comparisons are spot on.

John Blake never finished in the Top 10, never made the postseason, and never had a winning record.

Again, these aforementioned facts make the Capel-Blake comparisons beyond comical.

 

[40 Cal]

Well, he left Taylor Griffin, mike Neal, David godbold, longar longar, and had a top notch recruiting class he kept behind. I think that's enough talent to win more than 6 conference games. Sampson won many games in 94 and 95 with similar talent but that was before your time.

You dont know what was before my time, and yeah he left taylor that wanted to leave, a longar who had no playing time and didn't teach him a thing, and a recruiting class that left so, nope wrong again.

 

[okcsooner83]

All I know if the current situation OU is in is due to Capel, not Sampson. Capel has made the postseason, so comparing him to Blake is not accurate. Quin Snyder is probably a better comparison.

 

[T Shirt Time!]

Yeah I want a coach who couldn't help a freshman learn the game of basketball to save his life. Do well with juco players not great just ok, make a player who could avg 25 points and avg only 14, make a player play the coaches game not his. Bring that coach back. He brings projects in and doesn't work with him that's s great coach.

 

[Big Old Booger]

You dont know what was before my time, and yeah he left taylor that wanted to leave, a longar who had no playing time and didn't teach him a thing, and a recruiting class that left so, nope wrong again.

Taylor wanted to leave? In an article cited in this thread Taylor says he was going to stick around one more year. That isn't wanting to leave.

Guess what? Billy Sims, Jason White, Keith Jackson, Nolan Johnson, and Kevin Bookout all wanted to leave at one point in time during their careers at OU. Guess how many of them actually left? ZERO. Nada. Zilch.

What you posted is rumor.

Regarding Longar...who was he going to supplant to get PT? Gray or Bookout? Had Sampson stayed Longar would have played more and thus improved just like with Capel. When Sampson was hired, Tubbs left behind a stiff by the name of James Mayden. Dude couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time but Sampson played him because he was all we had at the 5 that year. By the end of the season everybody was raving about the improvement in Maydens game. It wasn't anything Sampson did, it was just that he got to play a lot and improved his game in the process.

 

[okcsooner83]

Give me a coach that makes the ncaa tourney consistently.

Capel vs Snyder

Capel at OU
1st season: 16-15
2nd season: 23-12; ncaa tourney
3rd season: 30-6; ncaa tourney elite 8
4th season: 13-18

Snyder
1st season: 18-13; ncaa tourney
2nd season: 20-13; ncaa tourney
3rd season: 24-12; ncaa tourney elite 8
4th season: 22-11; ncaa tourney
5th season: 16-14; nit
6th season: 16-17; nit
7th season: 10-11

 

[WaymanFan]

They went 11-5 in conference that year and then Capel went a smooth 6-10 the next season. That's a big difference.

You apparently ignored the part about replacing Kevin Bookout, Taj Gray and Terrell Everett with Tony Crocker and Bobby Maze. Most reasonable people will stipulate that a more seasoned coach may have squeezed an extra victory or two out of that team, but so what?

If you want to rag on Capel, I just wish posters would stop this revisionist history nonsense and simply rag on the guy for what has happened on the court for the past 14 months. You can use all the negative adjectives you want about the past 14 months, and you won't get any arguments from me.

 

[WaymanFan]

The Blake and Capel comparisons are spot on. Nice guys who are in WAY over there heads.

Some of you are really letting your hatred distort any semblance of reality. No, the comparisons are not even close to "spot on". I'm still waiting for the "John Blake equivalent" of Jeff's 4-2 NCAA tournament record.

Yes, you will actually need to come up with something if the comparisons are "spot on." Just saying they're "spot on" isn't going to cut it. I could say that comparisons of Jeff Capel to Bob Stoops are "spot on", but it isn't going to mean anything if I can't back it up.

 

[40 Cal]

Some of you are really letting your hatred distort any semblance of reality. No, the comparisons are not even close to "spot on". I'm still waiting for the "John Blake equivalent" of Jeff's 4-2 NCAA tournament record.

Yes, you will actually need to come up with something if the comparisons are "spot on." Just saying they're "spot on" isn't going to cut it. I could say that comparisons of Jeff Capel to Bob Stoops are "spot on", but it isn't going to mean anything if I can't back it up.

They can be compared because both are the first African American coaches for that sport and both coached at OU.

This is what I was told in another thread. I don't get how that makes them comparable, but what do I know.

 

[40 Cal]

I am sorry if sampson stayed, I am pretty sure those other recruits would have came in and sampson would have not cared a thing about Longar.

 

[Max Power]

I am sorry if sampson stayed, I am pretty sure those other recruits would have came in and sampson would have not cared a thing about Longar.

but same could also be said if Capel was able to convince them to honor their comitment. Its all a big what if game that really doesn't matter in 2011. I am down on Caple base on what he has done in years 4 and 5 with classes full of his recruits.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I am sorry if sampson stayed, I am pretty sure those other recruits would have came in and sampson would have not cared a thing about Longar.

How are you certain about this? Did Kelvin tell you this himself? He had nobody else at the 5 but recruited the kid who switched to UAB. Kelvin rarely played true frosh and even more rarely played them at the 5. Longar would have been the man at the 5 position even if Sampson had stayed. No, he didn't tell me this, I base this off how he used his players every year before that.

The 2006 season was Longar's first season at OU unless he redshirted in 2005. Regardless 2006 was the first season he played and he had horrible hands and that's when Sampson pulled him because he had Bookout and Gray to replace him with. In 2007, he wouldn't have had Bookout or Gray so it would have been Longar and the other kid referenced above.

 

[thebigabd]

Quin Snyder is the best comparison so far.

 

[campbest]

You apparently ignored the part about replacing Kevin Bookout, Taj Gray and Terrell Everett with Tony Crocker and Bobby Maze. Most reasonable people will stipulate that a more seasoned coach may have squeezed an extra victory or two out of that team, but so what?

If you want to rag on Capel, I just wish posters would stop this revisionist history nonsense and simply rag on the guy for what has happened on the court for the past 14 months. You can use all the negative adjectives you want about the past 14 months, and you won't get any arguments from me.

I'm getting pretty fed up with our current state, but I won't let my bias distort what is above...which is factual. If you want to argue with the last two years, or Blake saving Capel, go right ahead. But to expect a 20 win season out of the talent in the cupboard is asinine.

Oh...and the Blake-Capel comparisons are beyond comical. Snyder is the best comparison, hands down.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I'm getting pretty fed up with our current state, but I won't let my bias distort what is above...which is factual. If you want to argue with the last two years, or Blake saving Capel, go right ahead. But to expect a 20 win season out of the talent in the cupboard is asinine.

Oh...and the Blake-Capel comparisons are beyond comical. Snyder is the best comparison, hands down.

Well, I'd be more apt to compare Capel to Quin if it came out that Capel was singing "Eye of the tiger" to his team before a game. :chestram2:

 

[Sooner23]

Well, I'd be more apt to compare Capel to Quin if it came out that Capel was singing "Eye of the tiger" to his team before a game. :chestram2:

Jay-C don't sing, he rap. Pre-game probably sounds something like this...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAsqZTwp1lQ[/ame]

 

[NickZepp]

I'm getting pretty fed up with our current state, but I won't let my bias distort what is above...which is factual. If you want to argue with the last two years, or Blake saving Capel, go right ahead. But to expect a 20 win season out of the talent in the cupboard is asinine.

Oh...and the Blake-Capel comparisons are beyond comical. Snyder is the best comparison, hands down.

I agree and he had actually had a better overall winning percentage through 5 years than Capel will have unless we just turn it around massively. And Capel had a 30 win season thrown in there. It's really hard to be as bad as we have been the last 2 years in major college basketball.

The team some say is worse than ours, Auburn, beat an ACC team the other day. I don't see us beating any major conference team right now.