I think Woodard is a good player

[chuckb]

By and large, he played quite well. He made a couple of bad plays but he's 20, a sophomore. It's OK to be critical of mistakes as long as you also credit him for the good plays he makes.

 

[cjhsooner]

I think we should ban making threads about players during games. Make posts in the game thread, but we should not make threads about specific players until after the game.

 

[chuckb]

There was a play in the last couple of minutes where they were putting a lot of pressure on him & tipped the ball. He was able to maintain his dribble, fend off the defender and get the ball, I think, to Buddy who drove and got fouled.

It was a huge play. If he picks up his dribble there to protect the ball as a lot of people would have, we probably don't end up with a good shot.

He's a sophomore who makes mistakes but is a pretty good point guard and will be very good his last 2 years. He was tough tonight in the last few minutes. It seems as if his detractors expect perfection. That's unreasonable.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Jordan's weakness, in my opinion, is he gets in the air looking to pass the ball instead of to attack the basket or make contact for a foul. Once in the air he has no one to pass the ball to and the result is a TO.

 

[ChongoChingi]

Jordan's weakness, in my opinion, is he gets in the air looking to pass the ball instead of to attack the basket or make contact for a foul. Once in the air he has no one to pass the ball to and the result is a TO.

He does that every once in awhile but not enough to complain about.

 

[WTSooner]

Did it ever occur to some of you that other players are supposed to make themselves available for the pass when he drives and they aren't doing their job? :facepalm

Who says they aren't?

Where Jordan is driving, he couldn't see them if they were open. Rule #1 about driving in the paint as a pg, is don't drive all the way, leaver your feet, and be forced into a bad shot or an awkward pass.

He isn't far away from turning the corner, but he did the same thing last year, and the same thing most of this year. Learn a floater. Learn to pull the ball back out. He'll never be able to score it there with his size.

 

[coolm]

Where Jordan is driving, he couldn't see them if they were open. Rule #1 about driving in the paint as a pg, is don't drive all the way, leaver your feet, and be forced into a bad shot or an awkward pass.

He isn't far away from turning the corner, but he did the same thing last year, and the same thing most of this year. Learn a floater. Learn to pull the ball back out. He'll never be able to score it there with his size.

exactly.

 

[KBaden145]

Ridiculous to criticize a kid that we don't win this game without. I read post after post of ignorant crap. This was one of the best games Jordan has played in his life and he carried us, at times, to the Sweet 16. Any opinion to the contrary is that of a clown.


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[MsProudSooner]

Ridiculous to criticize a kid that we don't win this game without. I read post after post of ignorant crap. This was one of the best games Jordan has played in his life and he carried us, at times, to the Sweet 16. Any opinion to the contrary is that of a clown.


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[ChongoChingi]

Ridiculous to criticize a kid that we don't win this game without. I read post after post of ignorant crap. This was one of the best games Jordan has played in his life and he carried us, at times, to the Sweet 16. Any opinion to the contrary is that of a clown.

Absolutely. He was a hero the last minute of the game.

 

[chuckb]

Where Jordan is driving, he couldn't see them if they were open. Rule #1 about driving in the paint as a pg, is don't drive all the way, leaver your feet, and be forced into a bad shot or an awkward pass.

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He did this a couple times tonight (as did Buddy and Cousins) but I think we're better off when he's aggressive and drives the lane and I'll bet he made 5 good plays tonight for every bad one.

He shouldn't do it but he's not perfect. He is, however, playing very well.

 

[NickZepp]

Woodard has improved as a sophomore and will continue to do so the next 2 years. He played bad early this year, and still has some game to improve on. But he is a really solid point guard.

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[sheepdogs1]

Ridiculous to criticize a kid that we don't win this game without. I read post after post of ignorant crap. This was one of the best games Jordan has played in his life and he carried us, at times, to the Sweet 16. Any opinion to the contrary is that of a clown.



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Do you believe the coach tells him to do this or not? If not, then why does the coach tell him not to do it?

 

[WTSooner]

Woodard has improved as a sophomore and will continue to do so the next 2 years.

I'm not trying to beat up on the kid, he played a VERY good 2nd half tonight.

But in what measurable way was he better this year than last?

Scoring was down. 3% shooting percentage was WAY down. Regular shooting percentage about the same, but still really low. Shot FT's better, but shot fewer of them. Assists were down a touch, and turnovers up a touch (nearly even, but certainly didn't "improve").

He played MUCH better down the stretch, but his soph season compared to his freshman season was about a wash. D was probably a little better, but it's hard to gauge individual D improvement.

Hopefully his big jump will be the soph to junior years.

 

[WTSooner]

He did this a couple times tonight (as did Buddy and Cousins) but I think we're better off when he's aggressive and drives the lane and I'll bet he made 5 good plays tonight for every bad one.

He shouldn't do it but he's not perfect. He is, however, playing very well.

I don't mind him driving, especially when the D is out of position or in transition, and he can get a good shot off. It's when there is one or two bigs there waiting on him, and he drives it right up to their chests, that I get upset. He'll learn. I just think he should have learned by now. Hopefully next year will be his big leap in improvement.

 

[AdaSooner]

Some of you guys are too tough on Jordan. He does indeed make poor decisions sometimes that lead to turnovers. But when the game is still in doubt, he's the player I want to see on the free throw line. He was clutch there tonight, making 9 of 10 to seal the game for OU. Yes, he had 3 turnovers and that's too many. But he also had 4 steals and 16 points. I would rather look for the goods things he does than to focus on the negative.

On a related note. How many of you have seen Tum Tum Nairn play this season? Remember how bummed out we were when he chose MSU? Well, if I had my pick of Nairn and Woodard right now, I would choose Jordan. I realize Nairn is just a freshman. But in the four to five MSU games I have seen this season, two in the tourney, he has not impressed me at all. Trip over to the Spartan board and take a look at his stats. Despite the fact that Jordan had a dismal first half of the season, he's having a much better year than Tum Tum.

 

[ChongoChingi]

This was a game to get to the sweet 16. Players are not robots. They are going to make mistakes. The other team isn't a j/v high school team. They are playing at a very high level to get to this point. Be proud of the Sooner's and the players you root so hard for. Today isn't the day to be critiquing them.

 

[NickZepp]

I'm not trying to beat up on the kid, he played a VERY good 2nd half tonight.

But in what measurable way was he better this year than last?

Scoring was down. 3% shooting percentage was WAY down. Regular shooting percentage about the same, but still really low. Shot FT's better, but shot fewer of them. Assists were down a touch, and turnovers up a touch (nearly even, but certainly didn't "improve").

He played MUCH better down the stretch, but his soph season compared to his freshman season was about a wash. D was probably a little better, but it's hard to gauge individual D improvement.

Hopefully his big jump will be the soph to junior years.

He managed the team better and made key plays late in several games, key free throws, to win games. Last year he missed free throws that would have iced a couple more games and we ended up losing. This was despite him being a high percentage shooter.

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[skyvue]

Ridiculous to criticize a kid that we don't win this game without. I read post after post of ignorant crap. This was one of the best games Jordan has played in his life and he carried us, at times, to the Sweet 16. Any opinion to the contrary is that of a clown.

Hear hear!

 

[ChongoChingi]

Hear hear!

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