If your son was a top 25 recruit?

[bgrch1350]

I would say a little of that is correct. I don't remember every game or play and my memory is getting very bad.

As far as the rest you mentioned...those coaches win with NBA players or just good college players like Davis or Fitz.

Here's a telling stat I mentioned earlier...Capel has seven 10 loss seasons in only 9 years...Roy Williams? 5 in 25 years. Coach K? 9 in 36 years. Calipari? 5 in 19 years. Boeheim? 12 in 35 years.

I hope you aren't arguing that Capel is anywhere close to the upper echelon of coaches...He's more on Grant and Smart's level and that's the problem. This isn't Bama nor VCU, it's Oklahoma.

Oh and complaining about Bama's 18-8 record is retarded. How many of us would take 18-8 even if OU played Bacone? I'd hope every single poster. Capel wouldn't have Bama at 18-8!

And Williams coached where for 25 years...KU and UNC...the school name sells to players more than the name of the coach at those schools. I wonder what kind of recruits Capel could bring in if he was coaching KU, Duke, Syracuse, Kentucky, and UNC.

Lets not forget who brought up VCU and their coaching percentages.

Lets talk about Williams...Last year he had 7 McDAAs on his team and had a .500 record. Mich St. Tom Izzo has Lucas, Roe, Summers...etc... this season and they are struggling.

If you want us to have an 18-8 record...than we could have played Bama's schedule. Look at it. They haven't played anyone...and the ones they have played...beat them. I'll take our record having actually played solid teams and knowing that we aren't that good....then playing no one and pretending that we are good. I don't even know if Bama could beat us. Plus our schedule will have a huge impact on us next season. It will make us better. Bama's has done nothing for them except have Lunardi put them as the last team in every week.

I wonder how coach K would do if he didn't have nothing but McDAA players on his team and just had 'good college players?' He only had 6 McDAAs on last years NC team. Most of those were JRs and SRs. And if Dawkins didn't enroll a year early...you could say that they had 7 on their roster. I guarantee coach's like coach K would struggle if wasn't able to have 4 top 25 players join his team every year.

 

[bgrch1350]

Its simple as can be...Blake Griffin was good but he wasn't the phenomenon that he is right now when he 1st arrived at OU. He improved greatly between year 1 and year 2.

I'm not going to listen to people say that Capel had nothing to do with b/c those people need to type on here the words that It was all Michael Jordan...No Dean Smith. It was all Laettner and Grant Hill...Not Coach K. It was all Sean May, McCants, Hansbrough and Lawson not Coach Williams....and Carmelo Anthony instead of Coach Boeheim. Coach Thompson not Patrick Ewing and Alonzo Mourning.

The main thing is that Coach Capel won with Griffin...he didn't not make the tournament. BCG didn't make the tournament with Patterson. Baylor might not make it with Perry Jones. Sampson lost in the 1st round over and over again to team that we were better than. Capel has not done that. Both losses were to teams that were better than us.

So anyone out there want to just say that we only went as far as we did b/c of Griffin..then start saying that for other coach's with their superstar or stars on their team.

 

[bgrch1350]

If Capel would have lost to Wis-Mil with Bookout and Gray on his team...I would want him gone...but has proven that a better team is going to beat him in the tournament not some 11 seed. We lose to L'Ville...but that team lost to UNC in the elite 8...that same team that wins it all the following year.

 

[playmakr]

If Capel would have lost to Wis-Mil with Bookout and Gray on his team...I would want him gone...but has proven that a better team is going to beat him in the tournament not some 11 seed. We lose to L'Ville...but that team lost to UNC in the elite 8...that same team that wins it all the following year.

I guess it's easy to not lose to any teams you are better than if you suck. For example, we haven't lose to any teams we are better than this year. Hats off!

 

[Section31]

I guess it's easy to not lose to any teams you are better than if you suck. For example, we haven't lose to any teams we are better than this year. Hats off!

I'd say we are better than chaminade

 

[bgrch1350]

I guess it's easy to not lose to any teams you are better than if you suck. For example, we haven't lose to any teams we are better than this year. Hats off!

Well I said in the tournament.

 

[StoopsBros]

And Williams coached where for 25 years...KU and UNC...the school name sells to players more than the name of the coach at those schools. I wonder what kind of recruits Capel could bring in if he was coaching KU, Duke, Syracuse, Kentucky, and UNC.

Lets not forget who brought up VCU and their coaching percentages.

Lets talk about Williams...Last year he had 7 McDAAs on his team and had a .500 record. Mich St. Tom Izzo has Lucas, Roe, Summers...etc... this season and they are struggling.

If you want us to have an 18-8 record...than we could have played Bama's schedule. Look at it. They haven't played anyone...and the ones they have played...beat them. I'll take our record having actually played solid teams and knowing that we aren't that good....then playing no one and pretending that we are good. I don't even know if Bama could beat us. Plus our schedule will have a huge impact on us next season. It will make us better. Bama's has done nothing for them except have Lunardi put them as the last team in every week.

I wonder how coach K would do if he didn't have nothing but McDAA players on his team and just had 'good college players?' He only had 6 McDAAs on last years NC team. Most of those were JRs and SRs. And if Dawkins didn't enroll a year early...you could say that they had 7 on their roster. I guarantee coach's like coach K would struggle if wasn't able to have 4 top 25 players join his team every year.

UNC, Duke, Syracuse, etc recruits for themselves and is more important than the coach? That's, at best, only half right. Who built Duke into Duke? Syracuse? UConn? I suppose you'd say that OU recruits itself in football? You wouldn't attribute any of the past decade to Stoops and you'd give the credit to OU by itself?

Roy Williams would get recruits to play for him at Rhode Island, Long Island or Rykers Island. Coach K is bigger than Duke and all you have to do is examine where Duke was before him. Calhoun is UConn, Boeheim is Cuse, as Lute Olson was Zona. Where was the Sooner program before Billyball? Where was the Hoosier program before Coach Knight coached them?

You bring up Williams having a bad (.500) season (actually 20-17, would you be happy with 20-17 this year?)...Ok, he's had two bad seasons. A 19-12 campaign to start his career and last year. Williams has NEVER had a losing season. Izzo has had one season that wasn't a winning season, his first year he was 16-16.

Do you really think Coach K, Williams, Calipari, Self or Izzo couldn't find more success at OU than Capel has had? I hope your answer is that they could win year in, year out in Norman. Capel would not win consistently ANYWHERE he coaches.

Coach K can't coach without McDons? I shouldn't even comment on that. As a big Duke fan, he's done it in the past and could any year. Coach K is the gold standard.

Bama did something Capel/OU couldn't do...beat Kentucky and Arkansas. I'd take their #77 RPI and being on the bubble anyday compared to knowing the season was over before it began.

 

[Section31]

Bama did something Capel/OU couldn't do...beat Kentucky and Arkansas. I'd take their #77 RPI and being on the bubble anyday compared to knowing the season was over before it began.

Just to clarify...both wins were at home.

As for those coaches you guys are discussing, they have earned their position. I WOULD say most of them began their careers on the east coast, and they did it a while back when most "east coast ballers" stayed on the east coast. I'm not sure JC has had the same opportunities to be as successful as they are...oh, and, make a list of current YOUNG coaches who are. You guys are discussing legends/hall of famers.

Oh, and leave Calipari off the list...it's pretty obvious he cheated his way to the top.

I agree, there should be no justification of Capel losing at OU. The point is, SOME of his issues have been "once-in-a-lifetime" type deals (the initial class bailing, last years top recruits leaving all at once). I'm not saying he has no blame in those things, but you must admit they are kind of the perfect storm. Maybe that's why I give him a bit of a pass this year (and MAYBE a little next). I am one that believes much of this is just circumstance rather than anyone's fault.

You guys may end up being right in the long run. I don't get too ruffled about guys having a negative opinion of some aspects of our program, but to CONTINUALLY bend anything that happens to somehow support their disdain with JC simply causes me to take their opinion with a grain of salt.

 

[Big Old Booger]

UNC, Duke, Syracuse, etc recruits for themselves and is more important than the coach? That's, at best, only half right. Who built Duke into Duke? Syracuse? UConn? I suppose you'd say that OU recruits itself in football? You wouldn't attribute any of the past decade to Stoops and you'd give the credit to OU by itself?

Roy Williams would get recruits to play for him at Rhode Island, Long Island or Rykers Island. Coach K is bigger than Duke and all you have to do is examine where Duke was before him. Calhoun is UConn, Boeheim is Cuse, as Lute Olson was Zona. Where was the Sooner program before Billyball? Where was the Hoosier program before Coach Knight coached them?

You bring up Williams having a bad (.500) season (actually 20-17, would you be happy with 20-17 this year?)...Ok, he's had two bad seasons. A 19-12 campaign to start his career and last year. Williams has NEVER had a losing season. Izzo has had one season that wasn't a winning season, his first year he was 16-16.

Do you really think Coach K, Williams, Calipari, Self or Izzo couldn't find more success at OU than Capel has had? I hope your answer is that they could win year in, year out in Norman. Capel would not win consistently ANYWHERE he coaches.

Coach K can't coach without McDons? I shouldn't even comment on that. As a big Duke fan, he's done it in the past and could any year. Coach K is the gold standard.

Bama did something Capel/OU couldn't do...beat Kentucky and Arkansas. I'd take their #77 RPI and being on the bubble anyday compared to knowing the season was over before it began.

:clap

Way too much logic in this post.

I'd say this one deserves a PWNED.

 

[campbest]

The one thing I give Anthony Grant for sticking to his discipline. Many are probably not aware, but JaMychal Green is Bama's best player. Alabama went down to the Puerto Rico tournament and had three really bad losses to Seton Hall, Iowa and St. Peter's.

So what does Grant do?

He comes back and suspends his best player for undisclosed reasons and sits him for three games. One of which was a huge road test at Purdue.

How many coaches do you know (especially a young coach) are going to suspend their best player after a three game losing streak before two home games and a tough road game at Purdue? Since the suspension Green's #s are up and he is averaging 17 and 8.

Would Capel do that? I don't know.

 

[campbest]

Lets talk about Williams...Last year he had 7 McDAAs on his team and had a .500 record.

I agree...but with that comes a new year. He has a younger roster and two new starters (both frosh, one after booting Drew from the line up) and is now second in the ACC.

He changed something, credit where credit is due.

 

[Big Old Booger]

The one thing I give Anthony Grant for sticking to his discipline. Many are probably not aware, but JaMychal Green is Bama's best player. Alabama went down to the Puerto Rico tournament and had three really bad losses to Seton Hall, Iowa and St. Peter's.

So what does Grant do?

He comes back and suspends his best player for undisclosed reasons and sits him for three games. One of which was a huge road test at Purdue.

How many coaches do you know (especially a young coach) are going to suspend their best player after a three game losing streak before two home games and a tough road game at Purdue? Since the suspension Green's #s are up and he is averaging 17 and 8.

Would Capel do that? I don't know.

The answer is a resounding NO, and we know that from experience not just surmising or guessing.

 

[campbest]

The answer is a resounding NO, and we know that from experience not just surmising or guessing.

I see what you're getting at and am inclined to agree with you, but I feel every situation is different so we don't really know. However, if I had to guess, then yes, I doubt he would of been suspended.

 

[Section31]

I've slept since then, but didn't JC bench a few of the guys just LAST YEAR????

 

[campbest]

I've slept since then, but didn't JC bench a few of the guys just LAST YEAR????

For petty larceny and being cited at the spot in Sooner Mall. Were there others? I honestly don't remember.

Personall I think there is a huge difference between know, public transgressions and a suspension stemming from an internal disagreement in the locker room.

Furthermore, Grant sat Green for three games...think Pledge and Fitz sat just one.

 

[Section31]

For petty larceny and being cited at the spot in Sooner Mall. Were there others? I honestly don't remember.

Personall I think there is a huge difference between know, public transgressions and a suspension stemming from an internal disagreement in the locker room.

Furthermore, Grant sat Green for three games...think Pledge and Fitz sat just one.

Without knowing what exactly took place in all those cases, it's REALLY hard to determine whether the punishment fit the "crime"...

 

[campbest]

Without knowing what exactly took place in all those cases, it's REALLY hard to determine whether the punishment fit the "crime"...

If Green had legal problems, it would of been disclosed.

The suspension of Green appears to be fallout from the Tide's failures in the U.S. Virgin Islands, where it recently lost three games in four days. Losses to Seton Hall, Iowa and St. Peter's ruffled Grant. Without call*ing out names, he was crit*ical of veterans and new*comers, talked about starting over from scratch and criticized the leadership on the team.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/11/alabama_beats_am_without_suspe.html

 

[Section31]

If Green had legal problems, it would of been disclosed.



http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/11/alabama_beats_am_without_suspe.html

What I was saying is...if Green stood up in front the team and called them all lazy, good for nothing, jack-wagons (arses) and told the coaching staff they could suck it, then THAT, IMO, would warrant a stiffer suspension than petty larceny...in the grand scheme of team chemistry. I agree theft is MUCH worse overall than insubordination, but within the confines of the team, I think that would be worse. That's all I was saying...