Rose and Wall are splitting the difference. Wall might dunk on you a little more, but they're really the same type of player. It's like comparing Marbury in his prime to Iverson in his prime. Both cut from same mold, but one may end up having better career.
I see it a little differently. I think they are lumped together because they are such phenomenal athletes for the PG position. But if you watch them play they are really pretty different. Wall is much more of a scorer/attacker and Rose is a better floor leader and has better vision and takes care of the ball better.
I think Wall ends up being the better pro, to me he is much more Tyreke Evans than Derek Rose, except that he is an other worldly athlete and Evans isn't (I think Wall shoots better too).
I can agree with this, but you also have to look at their team dynamics. Rose had a better backcourt than Wall and probably a better team. Wall is the best offensive player in UK's backcourt. UK has no great drive and dish threats.
I think Derek Rose is probably just as explosive vertically (though he's got creaky knees) but Wall is so fast from end to end and is much more explosive off of one foot. He also seems to be longer armed as well.
I think Rose is a much better PG, took better care of the ball, and probably a little better leader. Wall, however, is just a killer on the court. He is ALWAYS in attack mode and never lets you get settled on defense. He reminds me really of a bigger version of Ty Lawson. He is always probing the defense, always running the ball up your back on a made basket, always forcing your defense to make decisions on the run.
Rose is also a lot more coachable then John Wall seems to be but you brought up the best point about Wall. This guy is always attacking and he is absolutely special in his ability to push the ball and attack the basket. Derrick Rose was very dynamic but he doesnt have that innate ability of knowing when/how to attack the rim like Wall.
One of the big things that Cal did for Rose was to try and calm him down and run an offense. If you saw Rose early on at Memphis this kid would attack with reckless abandon trying to dunk on anyone/everyone, many times not successfully.
In terms of distributing the rock Derrick Rose is not special at that, with his ability to beat people off the dribble he should be able to put his teammates in better positions to score then what Ive seen so far in the league. I think John Wall has better vision then him also and just overall projects better. He' a legit 6 4 with a big wingspan, I also dont think comparisons to Iverson are good at all, he will be a PG and dish the rock, obviously scoring a lot in the process.
The Bulls being terrible, is one reason.That's what's weird is in the NBA he is much more of a scorer, in HS and then at Memphis he passed the ball a lot more.
I'd personally rather have Rose based on the limited amount I've seen Wall. I'm talking from an NBA standpoint. I don't know where Wall fits in the NBA. He's from the Allen Iverson mold.
Rose is also a lot more coachable then John Wall seems to be.
He is still pretty young. I think it may be a bit too early to say he is not coachable. I cannot even imagine how horrible I would have acted in high school if I were as talented as some of these guys. I was always pretty good at academics (although I rarely tried in high school). I am sure there were people that thought I was not teachable, yet I became an excellent student later in life.
He is still pretty young. I think it may be a bit too early to say he is not coachable. I cannot even imagine how horrible I would have acted in high school if I were as talented as some of these guys. I was always pretty good at academics (although I rarely tried in high school). I am sure there were people that thought I was not teachable, yet I became an excellent student later in life.