Kelvin to Houston?
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I could be wrong, but I've always assumed (I know that's not a good policy) that Kelvin and Joe C. knew the NCAA was likely to drop the hammer over the phone calls. Then, when the Hoosiers gave them an out (and an opportunity), it was too good for Kelvin to pass up. I believe he would have stayed at OU, however, if Joe C. had promised his full support.
Just my opinion, and I could be way off base.
I could be wrong, but I've always assumed (I know that's not a good policy) that Kelvin and Joe C. knew the NCAA was likely to drop the hammer over the phone calls. Then, when the Hoosiers gave them an out (and an opportunity), it was too good for Kelvin to pass up. I believe he would have stayed at OU, however, if Joe C. had promised his full support.
Just my opinion, and I could be way off base.
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This might be picking nits but he was fired 6 years ago this February. I'm not sure that's tantamount to "nearly a decade".
This might be picking nits but he was fired 6 years ago this February. I'm not sure that's tantamount to "nearly a decade".
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Maybe. It could go either way because we all know how much he loved it here. And if it were a different job, I think it would be pretty clear that you're right. But Indiana is one helluva basketball job to say the least. Although it was certainly in a post-Knight transition period. Regardless, it would have been hard to turn them down in any event.
Maybe. It could go either way because we all know how much he loved it here. And if it were a different job, I think it would be pretty clear that you're right. But Indiana is one helluva basketball job to say the least. Although it was certainly in a post-Knight transition period. Regardless, it would have been hard to turn them down in any event.
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He cheated at OU was utterly unapologetic for his actions when caught and was fired. He goes to Imdiana cheats again,is agin unapologetic, gets caught and fired again.Anyone see a pattern? If he hope the job,I hope he gets caught and fired again.Maybe that will once and for all allow people to see him for what he is, a cheat. It amazes me that Calvin gets a pass around here for his major part in the downturn of OU roundball,dumping the entire blame;unfairly on Capel. Far as I am concerened a headcoach who willfully breaks NCAA rules and leads his staff to do so at TWO schools in less than a year has proven himself unfit to be an NCAA HC.
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well hell, I better get my resume tuned up because there are no coaches currently fit to coach NCAA bball
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No matter what Kelvin did or didn't do, if we had hired someone other than Capel, we might have had a chance to keep some of those recruits.
Someone other than Capel wouldn't have brought in the absolute cancers that Capel brought in.
Capel walked into what would have been a good situation for most coaches and turned it into a cess pool.
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Wow. Black and white for you. No shade of grey.
Never mind the NCAA has now decided what Kelvin did is not a violation. Never mind the NCAA informed the university they couldn't tell him they were monitoring it. Never mind he was charged for calls that were no answers.
Hate him all you want but he did his job and did it well.
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And given the choice of hiring Kelvin and Capel, I'd take Kelvin every time.
Agree Capel was our Sean Sutton and/or maybe worse.
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That's on Joe C and no one else. The only way we were keeping James and Reynolds was a HOME RUN HIRE. No way we had a shot with either of them with ANY mid-major coach who neither of these players had heard of. They wanted to play for Kelvin. Period.
As for Stoopified's remarks, on a harshness scale of 1-10 in comparison to some of what I read on ESPN's site about Kelvin, I'll give it a TWO. My guess is some of those are Hoosiers fans, but they were BRUTAL in their remarks.
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Agree 100%. Had he made a home run hire, we probably keep that class. I have been very critical of Capel but it's hard to blame him for losing those players. Capel gets plenty of blame for other acts, but losing the recruiting class is all on Joe.
I don't blame Capel for losing those players. Even with losing them he had more guys that could play than he left Lon. A coach should be measured in how you leave a program and in that measurement Capel fails miserably.
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Kelvin's team played hard and made free throws, however the brand of Basketball was like watching paint dry at times. I hated and loved Kelvin all the same and wish him the best of luck always.
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More than that Joe C screwed up and granted releases before they even met the new coach. That was stupid. First, he should have let Capel make the decision. Second, even if you are going to release the players at least make them meet with the new coach in person prior to granting a release.
Joe C overall has done a good job but he really screwed up the basketball stuff.
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I imagine timing had something to do with that. You aren't doing those kids justice if you hang on to them so long that it makes it tough for them to end up anywhere else. And maybe they talked to Joe C. and said there was nothing Capel could do to win them over.
The comments about an established coach, or home run hire keeping those kids cracks me up. First, OU was in no position to hire such a coach. We had unknown sanctions coming down on us. It was pretty late in the process for coaches to be changing schools. I'm sure most coaches figured that class would fall apart. Those guys, especially Reynolds and James, signed with/for Kelvin. They wanted to play for him. Not Bob Hoffman. Not Jeff Capel. Not anybody else was a reasonably possible hire for OU at the time. Could Bill Self have kept them at OU? Coach K? Pitino? Maybe. But short of that, those kids were gone.
As for Capel, I thought it was a great hire at the time. I was his biggest supporter initially, and was also one of the first, if not THE first OU fan on the boards to turn on him. Even got me banned for a while. I still have no problems with Joe C. hiring Capel though. On paper, it was the perfect move. If there was ever a coach that wasn't on the list above that could have kept those guys, you'd think it would have been the young, hip, black coach. I thought that was possibly what OU needed to take that next step with our program. Somebody fresh. Somebody young. Somebody from a winning program that was going to do things on the court differently then how they had been done for over a decade. Sounds a lot like Stoops on paper. The problem was, Capel was clearly not Stoops. But if OU football wasn't too good to take a shot at a young up-and-coming coach, OU basketball sure as heck was not above it. It didn't work out. Sucks. Set the program back a bit. But we're already back. OU basketball is bigger than one failed coaching hire. Just like OU football is bigger than 2-3 failed coaching hires.
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To lose 3 of 4 recruits is pretty unusual. I think Capel may have underestimated how hard he had to work to keep them.
The NCAA decided to use Kelvin as an example then legitimized what he was doing. They have turned a blind eye on worse.
They imposed limitations on him at Indiana that was unprecedented for that level of violation. He really could do nothing in recruiting. I think what actually happened was that an assistant when talking to a recruit asked them if they would like to talk to Kelvin then set up the 3 way. A lot of gray area there.
Then Indiana distanced themselves from him and failed to support him at all. It appeared that the NCAA would not let him tell his side of the story. they were really out to get him. And 5 years of show cause is ridiculous for too many phone calls.
Calipari gets away with a player receiving money and another having his grades or test scores altered.
Kelvin was a good coach and was just beginning to reach a higher level as a recruiter.
The NCAA decided to use Kelvin as an example then legitimized what he was doing. They have turned a blind eye on worse.
They imposed limitations on him at Indiana that was unprecedented for that level of violation. He really could do nothing in recruiting. I think what actually happened was that an assistant when talking to a recruit asked them if they would like to talk to Kelvin then set up the 3 way. A lot of gray area there.
Then Indiana distanced themselves from him and failed to support him at all. It appeared that the NCAA would not let him tell his side of the story. they were really out to get him. And 5 years of show cause is ridiculous for too many phone calls.
Calipari gets away with a player receiving money and another having his grades or test scores altered.
Kelvin was a good coach and was just beginning to reach a higher level as a recruiter.
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