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I think I fall fairly down the middle on gun control.

I think the right to own a gun should be protected, especially for those interested in self defense and hunting. (I personally have never hunted a day in my life, but many people enjoy it and are passionate about it)

But I also agree some of these people with arsenal's of guns, enough for a small army, is a bit much, and some of these seriously sick people (bipolar, manic, etc) probably shouldn't own a gun. But I'm just not sure what to do about it. I think there are now so many guns in this country, it's going to hard to control with any sort of regulation. It's not easy to buy a gun in Illinois, but anything besides downtown Chicago or near north or north subs all the way out to the West Subs and basically the entire south side is a war zone, and it keeps getting worse. I'm close to taking a job there (all i have to do is sign) but my wife is scared due to what she hears. It's like the costly/silly/useless War on Drugs which has done essentially nothing to curb drug use and crimes from the sale/use of them. There is so much demand in the market for drugs, it doesn't matter what regulations we come up with. Unfortunately, the culture and morals in our country seem to also dictate a high demand for guns, so no matter what we do I fear they will still be all over the place.

I own a gun that I have in a safe only I can open, and I haven't opened that safe in two years. I would only take it out if I thought an intruder was armed to protect my wife and unborn child. I don't think I should have to give that up because some sick people have used them to kill. But again, surely there is some way to try to at least slow some of these senseless, cowardice killings.

I'm open to any suggestions anyone has, I'm just not sure there is anything that wouldn't have more than a very small impact on gun violence. I wish this wasn't the case, but I fear it is.
 
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playmakr said:
I think I fall fairly down the middle on gun control.

I think the right to own a gun should be protected, especially for those interested in self defense and hunting. (I personally have never hunted a day in my life, but many people enjoy it and are passionate about it)

But I also agree some of these people with arsenal's of guns, enough for a small army, is a bit much, and some of these seriously sick people (bipolar, manic, etc) probably shouldn't own a gun. But I'm just not sure what to do about it. I think there are now so many guns in this country, it's going to hard to control with any sort of regulation. It's not easy to buy a gun in Illinois, but anything besides downtown Chicago or near north or north subs all the way out to the West Subs and basically the entire south side is a war zone, and it keeps getting worse. I'm close to taking a job there (all i have to do is sign) but my wife is scared due to what she hears. It's like the costly/silly/useless War on Drugs which has done essentially nothing to curb drug use and crimes from the sale/use of them. There is so much demand in the market for drugs, it doesn't matter what regulations we come up with. Unfortunately, the culture and morals in our country seem to also dictate a high demand for guns, so no matter what we do I fear they will still be all over the place.

I own a gun that I have in a safe only I can open, and I haven't opened that safe in two years. I would only take it out if I thought an intruder was armed to protect my wife and unborn child. I don't think I should have to give that up because some sick people have used them to kill. But again, surely there is some way to try to at least slow some of these senseless, cowardice killings.

I'm open to any suggestions anyone has, I'm just not sure there is anything that wouldn't have more than a very small impact on gun violence. I wish this wasn't the case, but I fear it is.
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This.
 
Thought better of entering the fray on gun control..........



I like what I saw from My Lakers against GS. When the game was getting away from them, they locked down on defense and won the game. Kobe/Nash/Meeks/and MWP all picked it up defensively late, and D-12 made a couple of big blocks and shot changing plays.

They will be able to score, but they must improve as a team defensively. Kobe took 41 shots. 41. Say that slowly, 41 shots!!!!!!!!! Not good........
 
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Sorry to burst your mythical bubble but Oklahoma has a 35% higher gun fatality rate than Illinois. The southern states with the most promiscuous gun laws have the worst firearm fatality rates. The states with tighter gun regulations have much better results. There is a direct correlation. Saying there is nothing that can be done is an ignorant talking point put forward by the gun lobby.

Firearm Deaths

Gun Control Laws work
 
bocabull said:
Sorry to burst your mythical bubble but Oklahoma has a 35% higher gun fatality rate than Illinois. The southern states with the most promiscuous gun laws have the worst firearm fatality rates. The states with tighter gun regulations have much better results. There is a direct correlation. Saying there is nothing that can be done is an ignorant talking point put forward by the gun lobby.

Firearm Deaths

Gun Control Laws work
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How about comparing countries with stricter gun laws vs the us?
 
Bounce don't let him post misleading stats. Do research and reading on the subject and learn it on your own. Tighter gun laws have not led to less gun crimes in the U.S. Period. You can research it yourself. The first link he posted is woefully and embarrassingly misleading. It doesn't separate suicides from homicides, doesn't separate self defense acts, etc.. Suicide accounts for around 50% of firearm deaths, so a study only saying "firearm deaths" means nothing. It's not a crime study, and is also from 2002. Another thing to note, Bounce, is the shooter in CT tried to buy a gun a few days before the event and was denied. This case is Exhibit A.

This will be my last post on the subject. There is no reason to argue with someone who would actually post such an obviously faulty study from 2002. He's not interested in any debate, he's a political dogmatist.

As I said I'm open to any good ideas, but I'll leave the dogmatism and bloviation to him.

Bounce, during your research, start with this: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20

Keep this in mind when the push from members of Congress in 2013 for "assault rifles" is initiated.
 
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Good stuff. I'm done with this thread too.

Merry Christmas everyone. Enjoy your family and friends
 
You don't have a need for assault weapons other than penis envy. plain and simple. To that extent they're not covered under the 2nd amendment IAW Heller so the question becomes: does the need to play Rambo outweigh the danger?

No. It doesn't. It's that simple.

Minimally that takes away assault weapons and mass delivery systems for ammunition (drums etc...). Is it an ABSOLUTE solution? No, of course not. But if it prevents even one death then it's justified. It doesn't have to be an absolute solution. We knock one leg of the offense out, just like we did for meth production, and it detracts.

I am sorry, but you guys are wrong. I know it makes you feel all glorious and grunt-worthy to own and shoot awesome assault weapons ... but to say these are NEEDED is an absolute farce and the Supreme Court has already ruled there is no right to them.

game. set. match.
 
coolm said:
You don't have a need for assault weapons other than penis envy. plain and simple. To that extent they're not covered under the 2nd amendment IAW Heller so the question becomes: does the need to play Rambo outweigh the danger?

No. It doesn't. It's that simple.

Minimally that takes away assault weapons and mass delivery systems for ammunition (drums etc...). Is it an ABSOLUTE solution? No, of course not. But if it prevents even one death then it's justified. It doesn't have to be an absolute solution. We knock one leg of the offense out, just like we did for meth production, and it detracts.

I am sorry, but you guys are wrong. I know it makes you feel all glorious and grunt-worthy to own and shoot awesome assault weapons ... but to say these are NEEDED is an absolute farce and the Supreme Court has already ruled there is no right to them.

game. set. match.
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Welcome late to the party. We aren't even talking about assault rifles.

And you may say it's just penis envy but it's also called a hobby. Just like owning a high horse power car or expensive golf clubs.
 
Leave it to a conservative to belittle and question official statistics that weaken their argument only to, wait for it, post a link to more statistics that show the same thing. Even your cherry picked micro stats show your wrong.

Playmakrs FBI stats:

Illinois population 12.9 Million.
Illinois Murders 452 or 3.5/100,000
Illinois Firearm Murders 377 2.92/100,000

Oklahoma Population 3.7 Million
Oklahoma Murders 204 or 5.51/100,000 or 58% worse than Illinois.
Oklahoma Firearm Murders 131 or 3.54/100,000 or 21% worse than Illinois.

Of course I'm quite certain this is over your head because math & conservative do not correlate.
 
Late? I seem to remember being in this discussion already.

a HOBBY? then there's certainly no Constitutional protection for a hobby so BYE BYE assault weapons.

that was easy. ty.
 
coolm said:
Late? I seem to remember being in this discussion already.

a HOBBY? then there's certainly no Constitutional protection for a hobby so BYE BYE assault weapons.

that was easy. ty.
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For being an attorney, your iq doesn't seem too high
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
For being an attorney, your iq doesn't seem too high
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TRANSLATION: "I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about cool so YOU must be the unintelligent one"

Why don't YOU explain Heller to me Mr Einstein. any time you'd like to have a battle of wits then by all means step up - but as far as I have seen you always come unarmed.
 
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coolm said:
TRANSLATION: "I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about cool so YOU must be the unintelligent one"

Why don't YOU explain Heller to me Mr Einstein. any time you'd like to have a battle of wits then by all means step up - but as far as I have seen you always come unarmed.
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Lol
 
me: explain Heller

bounce: ::crickets::

you sound like a typical low-IQ Yukon graduate.
 
coolm said:
exactly ... and in this discussion it's very relevant to your IQ. it's so fitting that you'd insult me because you don't understand. typical.
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It has nothing to do with my iq or your iq.

Can I ask you specifics about my line of work and when you don't know the answer base your iq on that?
 
coolm said:
exactly ... and in this discussion it's very relevant to your IQ. it's so fitting that you'd insult me because you don't understand. typical.
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Of course it's typical. Guns are for paranoid idiots.

I laugh at Playmakr saying he's got a handgun that has been locked in a safe for 2 years and he somehow thinks if that mythical home invasion happens all of a sudden he's going to be able to safely and proficiently use it to protect himself.

Of course all the evidence shows the dip will more than likely have a Plaxico Burress event and cause himself to be injured.
 
bocabull said:
Of course it's typical. Guns are for paranoid idiots.

I laugh at Playmakr saying he's got a handgun that has been locked in a safe for 2 years and he somehow thinks if that mythical home invasion happens all of a sudden he's going to be able to safely and proficiently use it to protect himself.

Of course all the evidence shows the dip will more than likely have a Plaxico Burress event and cause himself to be injured.
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Odds are one may never have to use it. But it's about being prepared. That doesn't mean one is paranoid. I'm not paranoid, I'm not an idiot and I have a gun. It's doing what you have to to protect a family. Should we go and dig up stories of a gun saving people's lives?
 
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