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As much as Sherri has done and as great a coach as she is...the last thing I want to see is her son coaching this program.

If we're going to have a man, certainly someone, even Bo Overton with his touchy-feely history, would be better than Colton.

It would be nice to see Morgan Hook/Coale on the sideline, however.
 
Not to mention that there is no life after sundown for the inner city black kid in Waco, TX. Or that Kruger's teams made the sweet 16 in 2015 and the final four in 2016. Sherri last took a team to the sweet 16 in 2013. Unfortunately it is a what have you done for me lately world and Sherri's teams have done very little since 2010.

More important is the ability to successfully recruit Texas which is our nearest large population base with multiple OU fans and alum residents and a lot of top BB talent. The men's teams have had 5 Texas kids on each of the last two rosters including 4 (James, Lattin, McGusty and Buford) who were 4* top 138 kids with 2 top 35 kids. The women's team had 2 player (Little and Mulkey) last year who were both top 30 players and none this year.

Look up demographics before you cite them. Waco is about 23% African-American, somewhat in the neighborhood of 25% Hispanic. Norman is 90-95% white, about 4% African-American.

Kramer's record in 2016-2017 was what? Would Sherri still have a job with that record?
 
I think Colton is getting exposure--for a search elsewhere. Best shot to replace Sherri----someone like Dionnah Jackson, Danielle Robinson, possibly Maddie, but I think that would be too far into the future.

If OU were to work out a retirement package for Sherri and Ross that included coverage for Ross's cancer history, I could see that within three or four years.
 
I think Colton is getting exposure--for a search elsewhere. Best shot to replace Sherri----someone like Dionnah Jackson, Danielle Robinson, possibly Maddie, but I think that would be too far into the future.

If OU were to work out a retirement package for Sherri and Ross that included coverage for Ross's cancer history, I could see that within three or four years.

I believe she should get him a job for a couple of years somewhere else, before he takes over at OU, but I do not know if that is going to happen. I definitely believe he wants to coach at OU.

I doubt Dionnah would come back to OU....Danielle and Maddie maybe as assistants at some point but not head coach, not unless they had experience somewhere and had shown they could be successful.

Of course, you may be right and I could be way off.
 
Thanks for making my point.



1. South Carolina has a viable black community.
2. Staley is not the typical hire for an all-white-male decision-making group.
3. South Carolina has exactly the opposite history. Going back fifty years, South Carolina has hired basketball coaches, like Frank McGwire, who was hired because of a specific pipeline to NYC. Unlike OU, SC has always operated primarily in basketball by recruiting outside the state for its major stars. Staley is no exception.


RE: Bold
Syb, do you think OU WBB recruits their major stars from in state? Do you think our MBB team has or does?
 
RE: Bold
Syb, do you think OU WBB recruits their major stars from in state? Do you think our MBB team has or does?

Clarification: our major men's basketball stars have always been from in-state, Adams, Tisdale, Griffin. We have never been competitive for an out-of-state talent of that level. Unfortunately, we haven't had an Alvan Adams, Wayman Tisdale, or Blake Griffin-like talent emerge from Oklahoma girls basketball.

South Carolina has always existed, men's and women's, on an out-of-state pipeline.
 
Excellent analysis, NC.

I also am puzzled as to how we can play so badly once or twice a year against far, far inferior teams. It is without any doubt the thing I find most disappointing in our teams. And I think it costs us lots of fans. It simply should not be happening except on the rarest of occasions.

I do have a thought on one point you made. I believe we are so successful on the out of bounds plays because it is something the coaches can teach - as a method. And they are as good at teaching particular skill sets as any staff around. The fact is, our players are generally not great athletically. Now that does not mean they are below average, just not the types (generally) that are top notch athletics. So the other parts of the game leave us sometimes dependent on certain skills our players are pretty good at - but not excellent at.

Plus, we have depended on the 4 guard offense so much (perhaps due to who we can seem to recruit). And the fact is, that does not consistently work against the very top, athletic teams.

I think the real issue is that our state is small - and very few tall (6-3 to 6-4) athletic girls are produced. So we are left recruiting shorter, guard type players, or tall athletic girls from across the country. If you pay attention, many, many girls stay in their home state, Not all, but most. It is a clear disadvantage.

We can wish it wasn't true. We can claim it isn't true. Some of us can even believe it isn't true.

But the fact is: It Is True.
The thing that bothers me about some of the "poorly" played games we seem to be having more of, is that they are games where we appear to lack effort.
Shooting comes and goes, timing can be off, the other team can do stuff you aren't prepared for, but full effort from everybody on the court should come from each individual player, and be demanded by the coach to be on the court instead of the bench.
That alone has caused less interest on my part.
 
Look up demographics before you cite them. Waco is about 23% African-American, somewhat in the neighborhood of 25% Hispanic. Norman is 90-95% white, about 4% African-American.

Kramer's record in 2016-2017 was what? Would Sherri still have a job with that record?

Kramer who?
 
Were Joe C. to ever hire Colton he would be declaring WBB is no longer important nor was he going to do what is best for the program.. It seems highly unlikely Colton will ever do anything on the court to earn the right to head the OU WBB program without leaving Norman for 2-4 years as an assistant and a similar time leading his own program while winning multiple championships.

I suspect Castiglione laments the day he gave Sherri her big dollar long tenured contract. Of course that was probably was more the doings of David Boren than Castiglione as he appears to want to focus more on developing teams that consistently win championships.
 
I think Colton is getting exposure--for a search elsewhere. Best shot to replace Sherri----someone like Dionnah Jackson, Danielle Robinson, possibly Maddie, but I think that would be too far into the future.

If OU were to work out a retirement package for Sherri and Ross that included coverage for Ross's cancer history, I could see that within three or four years.

I am not big on replacing Sherri at this time. She has earned the opportunity to right her ship but 3-4 years down the road and continued 3rd and 4th places in the conference with no conference championship for 14 years (2007) it is probably time for Sherri to go.

Personally I am not big on replacing Sherri with a coach that has any ties to OU from the past. I want Joe C. to hire the very best coach in the country to meet OU's needs be it an established power 5 head coach, a group of 5 head coach or what he perceives is the best assistant coach in the country with the "it"factor. Seldom will that be someone associated with the program.

Take any other approach and I think it is probable you will have the wrong "guy" who will only take the program down further.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Sooners_women's_basketball
 
Were Joe C. to ever hire Colton he would be declaring WBB is no longer important nor was he going to do what is best for the program.. It seems highly unlikely Colton will ever do anything on the court to earn the right to head the OU WBB program without leaving Norman for 2-4 years as an assistant and a similar time leading his own program while winning multiple championships.

I suspect Castiglione laments the day he gave Sherri her big dollar long tenured contract. Of course that was probably was more the doings of David Boren than Castiglione as he appears to want to focus more on developing teams that consistently win championships.

SS, sometimes I think you must have lost your mind.

There are so many people making VASTLY more than they are worth, that I wonder why you pick out a woman to constantly complain about making more than you do. If you want more, go get a job and make your own millions.
 
SS, sometimes I think you must have lost your mind.

There are so many people making VASTLY more than they are worth, that I wonder why you pick out a woman to constantly complain about making more than you do. If you want more, go get a job and make your own millions.
IF Sherri C was a man "I" would be saying the same thing. If he was one of the highest paid coaches in America and doing the same type of job running a program in the last few years...yeah cut his pay. You make it sound like just because Sherri is a woman she should make what she does..forget about the job she isn't doing
 
IF Sherri C was a man "I" would be saying the same thing. If he was one of the highest paid coaches in America and doing the same type of job running a program in the last few years...yeah cut his pay. You make it sound like just because Sherri is a woman she should make what she does..forget about the job she isn't doing

Would you really? One of the reasons that I think so many are contemptuous of Sherri is pure sexism. I've seen posts about what she wears, how she does her hair, and how lazy she is at adapting to new technology. I don't remember anyone ever attacking one of our male coaches because of his hair or attire. I don't remember anyone ranting that our males coaches should have their pay cut.

Racism, sexism---often recognized by code words, code behavior. Why was Lott's bandana an indication that Switzer had lost control of a team? People said things about Capel and Blake that they never would have said about a white coach. We have a bunch of people who have no clue about coaching that want to tell Sherri how to coach, recruit, and dress. They question whether she recruits too much using Christianity or whether she likes gays. You know what is strange. The men were 11-20 last year. Go tell him what kind of haircut to get.
 
Would you really? One of the reasons that I think so many are contemptuous of Sherri is pure sexism. I've seen posts about what she wears, how she does her hair, and how lazy she is at adapting to new technology. I don't remember anyone ever attacking one of our male coaches because of his hair or attire. I don't remember anyone ranting that our males coaches should have their pay cut.

Racism, sexism---often recognized by code words, code behavior. Why was Lott's bandana an indication that Switzer had lost control of a team? People said things about Capel and Blake that they never would have said about a white coach. We have a bunch of people who have no clue about coaching that want to tell Sherri how to coach, recruit, and dress. They question whether she recruits too much using Christianity or whether she likes gays. You know what is strange. The men were 11-20 last year. Go tell him what kind of haircut to get.
I clearly stated any man coach doing the same type of job running a program as Sherri and if he was one of the highest paid coaches..cut his pay. You like to add stuff that isn't said or add things that you think other posters may or may not think. You and few others are clearly turned on by Sherri and are blinded by her hair and looks and can't see her lack of performance as one of the highest paid female coaches in America. I think it's on the verge of being criminal to continue to pay her in such a way.
 
Syb,

You must not get out much. Bob got roasted for his 5 million salary in 2011 thru 2014.
Left and right. Burnt out simply cashing 5 million dollar paycheck was a frequent complaint.

But you are correct on one thing. The salary thing with Sherri is total red herring. It's a distraction from the real issue.
The drop in national and regional relevance of the program.
The inability to compete with Baylor year in and year out on the court for the Big 12 title.
And the lack of a deep tourney run since 2010.
To use a somewhat bad analogy, OU women's hoops seems like an 8th Seed in the NBA East.
Not bad by any stretch, but out in the first round of the playoffs. And the distance to winning or competing for a title seems pretty far. Just stuck in neutral.

Did Lon get a pass for last year? Yes.
I can tell you if Sherri had just had a national POTY, a final four run,and unprecedented media coverage for the program and lost 80% of scoring/rebounding then she'd get a pass too.
 
Cutting someone's salary is not realistic. Best case you get a disgruntled person who will probably perform worse.

Your salary is rarely based on what you are expected to do but based of what you have done in the past. Sherri earned her salary with her early success with the program. Cutting it now will not improve things. If Joe C and Boren decide that she is not worth the salary they will take her out of the program. So far they haven't indicated that they are thinking that way.

I am in no way qualified to be a college basketball coach. But I think I am a fairly knowledgeable fan. I see a very inconsistent team who has under performed for at least the last two years and a team where players do not seem to improve. That troubles me far more than Sherri's salary.
 
soonerinNC,
Exactly. Getting sucked into a salary debate is pointless.
The real issues are on the court and team recruiting/development.
 
Cutting someone's salary is not realistic. Best case you get a disgruntled person who will probably perform worse.

Your salary is rarely based on what you are expected to do but based of what you have done in the past. Sherri earned her salary with her early success with the program. Cutting it now will not improve things. If Joe C and Boren decide that she is not worth the salary they will take her out of the program. So far they haven't indicated that they are thinking that way.

I am in no way qualified to be a college basketball coach. But I think I am a fairly knowledgeable fan. I see a very inconsistent team who has under performed for at least the last two years and a team where players do not seem to improve. That troubles me far more than Sherri's salary.

Coaches have contracts so you can't just go and "cut" someone's pay because the team underperforms. When it's time to renew or extend the contract is where you might have some leverage as to pay rate but it is unlikely that any coach will take a pay cut, unless it is an older coach who is set financially and wants to give his school a bargain.
 
Syb,

You must not get out much. Bob got roasted for his 5 million salary in 2011 thru 2014.
Left and right. Burnt out simply cashing 5 million dollar paycheck was a frequent complaint.

But you are correct on one thing. The salary thing with Sherri is total red herring. It's a distraction from the real issue.
The drop in national and regional relevance of the program.
The inability to compete with Baylor year in and year out on the court for the Big 12 title.
And the lack of a deep tourney run since 2010.
To use a somewhat bad analogy, OU women's hoops seems like an 8th Seed in the NBA East.
Not bad by any stretch, but out in the first round of the playoffs. And the distance to winning or competing for a title seems pretty far. Just stuck in neutral.

Did Lon get a pass for last year? Yes.
I can tell you if Sherri had just had a national POTY, a final four run,and unprecedented media coverage for the program and lost 80% of scoring/rebounding then she'd get a pass too.

Actually, I pay so little attention to some of these posters that I can't be irritated. It is amusing that some can't seem to post without bringing up 'syb." But, you have some foundation with the work that you have done on football boards. Now, use the same thought on basketball.

I won't address the Stoops issue since my thoughts are beyond just a word or two. But, I do challenge why you would give Kruger a pass. You have the same players for four years, and you don't develop any depth at all? When did Sherri drop from a Final Four to an eleven win team? Even when we lost so much after 2002, we only fell to 19-13. You do realize that we are finishing second and third in the conference?--not last.

This isn't football, and we don't have a tradition founded in the fifties with sixty years of performance as good as any around. This is basketball, always a secondary sport at OU. Why would top recruits look at OU women? They don't come to OU men? Hield was no top recruit. Does Oklahoma, as a state, appeal to young people? Dead last in education funding? First in percentage cuts to education? What kind of image is that projecting? Sherri tried to overcome a huge disadvantage that we had given women's sports with Duncan's 1990 debacle. But, those attitudes still affect the state.
 
SS, sometimes I think you must have lost your mind.

There are so many people making VASTLY more than they are worth, that I wonder why you pick out a woman to constantly complain about making more than you do. If you want more, go get a job and make your own millions.

Already made my money which was more than enough. As is typical you want to make this a gender issue. Clue it is about the WBB coach that is not doing the job she once was doing. I am not really concerned about what Sherri is paid as much I am more concerned about how her teams perform on the court. Unfortunately their is no correlation between team performance and coaching compensation. I think there should be but that is in the future.

Sherri's contract expires in 2021 and if her team continues to perform as it has the last 5+ years, I expect it will, she will have gone 14 years without a conference championship. At that time I would be hopeful that the administration give her the opportunity to gracefully retire.

If she turns things around with a just a conference championship or two I will be tickled pink. Unfortunately I think doing what it takes to compete at the national level as Sherri had the Sooners performing a decade ago is a thing of the past. I think the game has changed and Sherri refuses to make the necessary adjustment to remain nationally competitive. To me it is sad but it is what it is.
 
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