Manek v Young

[skyvue]

I honestly do feel kinda "used" by TY as a fan . He stole a season from me for his own personal gain.

Sorry, but I continue to be baffled (and annoyed) by this kind of statement. I hated the second half of last season, too, but anyone who thinks that was all Trae's fault has yet to explain why to me in a way I can grasp. I honestly think it's just easier to blame it all on one guy, especially one who's now gone.

The entire team played bad defense down the stretch. The entire team played poor offense. Two of the players were shown the door for what we're told were attitude problems.

But we're going to lay it all on a true freshman who led us almost singlehandedly to the great wins we did achieve? Where was the leadership among the other players? Where was the offensive consistency from the other players (Trae put the ball in their hands with a chance to score often enough)? Where was the defensive effort by the other guys?

 

[Leroy]

I think Manek will play overseas after his four years at OU. He is soft, slow on defense and can't create his own shot except for a step back three. He worn down the last half of the year. Sorry I don't see him playing in the NBA after he graduates, hope I am wrong.

 

[OU92Grad]

I think Manek will play overseas after his four years at OU. He is soft, slow on defense and can't create his own shot except for a step back three. He worn down the last half of the year. Sorry I don't see him playing in the NBA after he graduates, hope I am wrong.

Not surprised by your opinion Leroy. You were one of the many posters who said that he would never play at OU and was a wasted scholarship. Now you got him playing pro ball overseas. I guess you are coming around. Lmao

 

[WichitaSooner]

Not surprised by your opinion Leroy. You were one of the many posters who said that he would never play at OU and was a wasted scholarship. Now you got him playing pro ball overseas. I guess you are coming around. Lmao

LOL, yep, the "Manek will never be good enough to start" post was another of Leroy's brilliant takes. To be fair, it took Brady all the way till the first game of his freshman year to crack the starting lineup.

I also like when Leroy blamed Kelvin for losing the 2002 national title because he held practice two days before the Final Four and Quannas rolled his ankle. You know, since most teams just wrap their players in plastic and don't bother practicing before the biggest game of the season.

 

[jaymOU]

I honestly do feel kinda "used" by TY as a fan . He stole a season from me for his own personal gain.

Come on Cool - stole a season from you. What expectations did you have last year coming into the season?

Was it ever a No. 2 ranking, an every game stat crawl on ESPN of an undersized freshman guard at OU, unbelievable performances at WSU and others, amazingly deep shots and incredible drives to the basket.

Did it end poorly - yes. Did it leave a bad taste in a fan's mouth - likely, yes.

The fans will never know what really happened to last year's team. In fact, I suspect the coaches and players might not really know.

It was a blast while it lasted, at least admit to that. It was hardly a year stolen from the fans.

Would you have rather had Trae go to KU and finish under .500 in league play and miss the tournament?

 

[jaymOU]

Sorry, but I continue to be baffled (and annoyed) by this kind of statement. I hated the second half of last season, too, but anyone who thinks that was all Trae's fault has yet to explain why to me in a way I can grasp. I honestly think it's just easier to blame it all on one guy, especially one who's now gone.

The entire team played bad defense down the stretch. The entire team played poor offense. Two of the players were shown the door for what we're told were attitude problems.

But we're going to lay it all on a true freshman who led us almost singlehandedly to the great wins we did achieve? Where was the leadership among the other players? Where was the offensive consistency from the other players (Trae put the ball in their hands with a chance to score often enough)? Where was the defensive effort by the other guys?

In the, now, immortal words of Toby Rowland - "PREACH"

 

[thebigabd]

Camp A - It's Everyone Else

The people in this camp believe that Trae Young is doing everything he can to win games, but that everyone else is letting him down. They cite shooting stats, etc from the other players and have basically come to the conclusion that the national leader in points and assists can't be at fault because, well, look at the numbers.

Camp B - It's Trae Young and Lon Kruger

The people in this camp believe that the program gave up too much identity, teamwork, and gave up on the development of other players to accommodate Trae Young. Whether this was arranged before he would commit to OU is unclear, but it seems fairly obvious that TY was given the green light to do whatever he wants. This group cites shot attempts by Trae, turnovers, and blames the lack of development from other players on the fact that nothing gets run for anyone else other than Trae. 100% of the offense is Trae Young, and that has hurt everyone else.

Additional Info
----OU didn't expect any defense from Trae, he played none
----OU didn't really run offense last year.... Players couldn't even get in position to rebound or defend in transition when he heaves up shots from 40 feet with no notice... Those shots go in about 20% of the time.
---Kruger let TY turn it over damn near 20 times at KSU, set a record for it... Without pulling him
---At that point he couldn't pull him... There was no offense to run without him. OU is back to normal now, but last year there was nothing to go back to. These guys just stood around and waited for Trae Young to do whatever he was going to do.

Trae Young took over the program for a year and led one of the biggest collapses any of us have seen, maybe the biggest. The team quit on him, we know that from Manek. And the teams we beat in the non-conference weren't very good. Fools gold. It was all trash and we'd be good to forget it.

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

The notion that Trae harmed the program or set it back is ridiculous. It didn't end the way anyone wanted but the team was unquestionably better with him than it would've been without him, it made another NCAA tournament when it needed to end the 1 year hiatus, and it put another Sooner in the NBA. All those are unquestionably better for the program.

Manek, on the other hand, will be a senior on a team in 2 years that has a chance to be really special. Look at the talent that team will have, and Manek could've been a 2 or 3 year all-conference guy and has a non-zero chance of being the Big 12 Player of the Year in the 20-21 season. That could be a conference champion, final 4 team. And he, too, has a good chance to be in the NBA.

As good as TY was, Buddy had more of an impact on the program than he did. Manek has a chance to have a similar impact (though he'll surely not be National Player of the Year). Honestly, I'll take a 4 year starter, all conference guy on a final 4 team over any 1-&-done, no matter how good the 1-&-done is. Even though Manek will probably never have a season as good as Trae's, 4 good to great seasons are better than 1 All-America season.

 

[skyvue]

The notion that Trae harmed the program or set it back is ridiculous. It didn't end the way anyone wanted but the team was unquestionably better with him than it would've been without him, it made another NCAA tournament when it needed to end the 1 year hiatus, and it put another Sooner in the NBA. All those are unquestionably better for the program.

Manek, on the other hand, will be a senior on a team in 2 years that has a chance to be really special. Look at the talent that team will have, and Manek could've been a 2 or 3 year all-conference guy and has a non-zero chance of being the Big 12 Player of the Year in the 20-21 season. That could be a conference champion, final 4 team. And he, too, has a good chance to be in the NBA.

As good as TY was, Buddy had more of an impact on the program than he did. Manek has a chance to have a similar impact (though he'll surely not be National Player of the Year). Honestly, I'll take a 4 year starter, all conference guy on a final 4 team over any 1-&-done, no matter how good the 1-&-done is. Even though Manek will probably never have a season as good as Trae's, 4 good to great seasons are better than 1 All-America season.

I agree with all of that. I have no interest in one-and-dones (and I hope Harmon doesn't turn out to be one). Two years at an absolute minimum, and three or four are strongly preferred, even if it means a smidge less talent.

 

[coolm]

well, my gripe isn't really with TY though. That was his agenda when he got here and lon knew it.

I blame lon.

I would MUCH rather have seen this team ultimately fail as a TEAM than do what it did last year.

Yeah for Trae and all that sorta stuff but I am a Sooner fan. I am not wearing TY colors and a TY jersey. I am wearing C&C.

I think we lost a year of development as a team thanks to the TY experiment. Of course we've been trying to replace Buddy et al's leadership since they left and that wouldnt have changed much unless CJ started to step up and Jordan decided to stay. But the team might have been a better, more cohesive unit which would make them all better defensively today than they are now.

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

well, my gripe isn't really with TY though. That was his agenda when he got here and lon knew it.

I blame lon.

I would MUCH rather have seen this team ultimately fail as a TEAM than do what it did last year.

Yeah for Trae and all that sorta stuff but I am a Sooner fan. I am not wearing TY colors and a TY jersey. I am wearing C&C.

I think we lost a year of development as a team thanks to the TY experiment. Of course we've been trying to replace Buddy et al's leadership since they left and that wouldnt have changed much unless CJ started to step up and Jordan decided to stay. But the team might have been a better, more cohesive unit which would make them all better defensively today than they are now.

This team is 3 for 3 this season holding opponents to less than 1 point per possession. I see little evidence for the claim that this year's team would be better defensively if Trae hadn't been on last year's team. What I do know is that there would be 1 less NCAA banner hanging at OU without Trae.

 

[coolm]

banner shmanner - last year left people chapped about OU basketball. players included.

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

banner shmanner - last year left people chapped about OU basketball. players included.

"People" = "you"

 

[hoopsaustin]

I honestly do feel kinda "used" by TY as a fan . He stole a season from me for his own personal gain.

Dumbest post I've ever read on this board. Not surprised. :facepalm

 

[coolm]

"People" = "you"

uh hardly. I can name a long list of sooner fans who were not amused by last years' team. you may disagree with my conclusion, but don't live in absolute denial. last season was a trae-n wreck.

dumbest post you're ever read austin? then it's confirmed that you dont read while you type.

 

[BoulderSooner]

lots of info in the last 2 pages that is being presented as fact that is far from it ..

 

[thebigabd]

uh hardly. I can name a long list of sooner fans who were not amused by last years' team. you may disagree with my conclusion, but don't live in absolute denial. last season was a trae-n wreck.

dumbest post you're ever read austin? then it's confirmed that you dont read while you type.

Yea, thats his style coolm...

You can do a search with the word "moron" in it and he comes up dozens of threads calling media personalities, posters on the forums, people he disagrees with, etc morons, idiots, worsts posts he's ever seen, etc.

I think he actually posts something decent every once in awhile, but his normal instinct is to post useless garbage that doesn't contribute to the conversation at all if he disagrees with you. He doesn't know how to handle a different opinion.

 

[HPDrifter]

While people are on here dogging Trae, he's posting videos for his 1.1m Instagram followers basically saying how proud he is of our effort against Florida and also still referring to OU as "we". Trae is a great Sooner.

 

[skyvue]

While people are on here dogging Trae, he's posting videos for his 1.1m Instagram followers basically saying how proud he is of our effort against Florida and also still referring to OU as "we". Trae is a great Sooner.

Hear, hear! He did nothing to deserve the crap he's taken from a certain faction of Sooner fans.

 

[hoopsaustin]

While people are on here dogging Trae, he's posting videos for his 1.1m Instagram followers basically saying how proud he is of our effort against Florida and also still referring to OU as "we". Trae is a great Sooner.

Preach. Sounds like a terrible dude. I need a safe space