Mavs max 3 second rounders

[bocabull]

I know Matthews is not totally the max but it's close enough. Stars league. They are now building a team of max dimes. Going to be a disaster when Dirk is done and he is pretty much a dime now. Yes Jordan is a max player but not on a team with nothing but 3rd wheels.

In addition, who is going to handle the ball? lol Warriors are laughing at Mavs roster.

 

[NickZepp]

They do look like a disaster. They are basically doing what the Lakers tried to do the last several years. They really think JJ Barea is their PG?

 

[Eielson]

I'm having trouble finding official word on Matthews' contract, but did he really get $16M?

:facepalm

He wasn't worth that even before he tore his achilles. I thought he was getting a 4 year deal for 16M, and felt that was a decent deal for both sides.

 

[Sooner04]

Yes Jordan is a max player but not on a team with nothing but 3rd wheels.

You're talking Michael Jordan, right? Surely not DeAndre. I can't call a guy a "max" player when he can't play the game of basketball.

 

[bocabull]

Now they're after Jeremy Lin. lol Mavericks are Putting together the perfect 41-41 team.

 

[bocabull]

According the hoopshype Lou Williams is the 28th free agent and Wes Matthews is the 30th free agent. link

The Mavs paid Matthews $36 million more. lol Great job Cuban. ha ha

 

[thebigabd]

PG: Jeremy Lin
SG: Wes Matthews
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Dirk Nowitizki
C: DeAndre Jordan

That look right?

 

[bocabull]

They don't have the cap space to sign Lin and are trying to work a sign and trade with the Lakers. Not sure the Lakers have much incentive to help unless they get something worthwhile in return.

But yeah, the Mavericks lineup is set to be 2 undrafted guys, 2 second rounders and a 37 year old star. lol

 

[thebigabd]

They don't have the cap space to sign Lin and are trying to work a sign and trade with the Lakers. Not sure the Lakers have much incentive to help unless they get something worthwhile in return.

But yeah, the Mavericks lineup is set to be 2 undrafted guys, 2 second rounders and a 37 year old star. lol

I would say Matthews, Parsons, and Jordan are all legit players. But, I agree... its a "fight for 6-8 seed" type of roster.

 

[Eielson]

I would say Matthews, Parsons, and Jordan are all legit players. But, I agree... its a "fight for 6-8 seed" type of roster.

Dirk, Parsons, and Jordan is one of the best 3-4-5 trios in the league for as long as 37 y/o Dirk has something left in the tank. They fit really well together. Dirk may be running on fumes already, though, and Parsons-Jordan is not an intimidating duo to lead a team with.

Matthews is probably not legit after the injury, though, and certainly not for the price. Essentially what happened here, is Dallas scooped everybody's secondary players, and gave them primary pay. DJ was playing second-fiddle to CP3 and Blake, Parsons was playing second-fiddle to Harden and Howard, and Matthews was (when healthy) playing second-fiddle (at best) to Lillard and Aldridge. None of those teams even won championships, either. That's not how you build a team, Cuban. Nice try, though.

 

[bocabull]

One possibility for the Mavs in 2017 is having Blake Griffin opt out and go join his buddy Jordan in Dallas to replace Dirk. Sounds like CP3 annoys the heck out of them. Of course living in LA has allowed Blake numerous commercial endorsements that would disappear in Texas.

 

[Smash Williams]

Superstar players don't want to go to a bad team or even a team with a blank slate. You have to have one other superstar or a good cast of second- or third-tier talent that's already pretty competitive and may be one superstar away from getting over the top.

In spite of whatever they may say publicly, I'm sure Cuban and Carlisle are smart enough to realize that this Dallas team isn't a legitimate title contender as constructed. I think the idea is to add enough pieces now to keep the team fairly competitive (50-win, lower seed in the West) so that they remain attractive enough to make a run at superstar free agents down the line, as the cap increases the next couple of years should allow them to create enough cap space to sign that kind of player.

 

[bocabull]

Cuban is not smart. Name a good move he has made. He inherited Dirk, Nash, Finley, Don Nelson, Donnie Nelson and a brand new arena. He's pretty much underachieved with what he inherited.

Hiring Carlisle is by far his best move. His personnel moves have been pathetic.

 

[Eielson]

Superstar players don't want to go to a bad team or even a team with a blank slate. You have to have one other superstar or a good cast of second- or third-tier talent that's already pretty competitive and may be one superstar away from getting over the top.

In spite of whatever they may say publicly, I'm sure Cuban and Carlisle are smart enough to realize that this Dallas team isn't a legitimate title contender as constructed. I think the idea is to add enough pieces now to keep the team fairly competitive (50-win, lower seed in the West) so that they remain attractive enough to make a run at superstar free agents down the line, as the cap increases the next couple of years should allow them to create enough cap space to sign that kind of player.

I agree that Dallas is a more attractive destination if Jordan is protecting the rim and swallowing up all the boards. The problem is, Cuban sold him on becoming an all-around superstar that scores 20 points a game.

First off, it's a lie. There is no way the Mavs can get DJ 20 points a game without sabotaging the team. He just doesn't have it, but I can understand why he'd want to believe that. What happens when he realizes they lied to him, though? Is he going to smile and tell everybody he loves Dallas?

Second, what if he actually starts devoting his effort to offense? Part of why he's such a great defender and rebounder is because that's all he focuses on, and he's embraced his role as defensive captain. Rondo was a great defender when he first got into the league, but as he focused more and more on offense, his defense suffered. That's not uncommon, and what I'd expect from DJ.

 

[thebigabd]

Cuban is not smart. Name a good move he has made. He inherited Dirk, Nash, Finley, Don Nelson, Donnie Nelson and a brand new arena. He's pretty much underachieved with what he inherited.

Hiring Carlisle is by far his best move. His personnel moves have been pathetic.

DeAndre Jordan and Tyson Chandler were good moves... Tyson Chandler led to an NBA Championship, and they should have had 2.

 

[Smash Williams]

I agree that Dallas is a more attractive destination if Jordan is protecting the rim and swallowing up all the boards. The problem is, Cuban sold him on becoming an all-around superstar that scores 20 points a game.

First off, it's a lie. There is no way the Mavs can get DJ 20 points a game without sabotaging the team. He just doesn't have it, but I can understand why he'd want to believe that. What happens when he realizes they lied to him, though? Is he going to smile and tell everybody he loves Dallas?

Second, what if he actually starts devoting his effort to offense? Part of why he's such a great defender and rebounder is because that's all he focuses on, and he's embraced his role as defensive captain. Rondo was a great defender when he first got into the league, but as he focused more and more on offense, his defense suffered. That's not uncommon, and what I'd expect from DJ.

Jordan to Dallas is very similar to Howard to Houston. They're both Fegan clients who grew tired of being the whipping boy of an overbearing superstar, then were recruited by Chandler Parsons to join a Texas team where they would better fit in terms of personality. They were both sold on their low post games being featured in offenses that had played a much different style.

Howard seems happier despite not being the featured player in an offense that's nearly identical to the system he hated so much in LA. Likewise, Dallas probably figures that they'll run a few plays for Jordan while asking him to do mostly the same as what he did in LA, and he'll probably he happier because he's not getting blamed for everything by an a-hole teammate and the media.

 

[Smash Williams]

DeAndre Jordan and Tyson Chandler were good moves... Tyson Chandler led to an NBA Championship, and they should have had 2.

Getting Chandler in what amounted to a salary dump by Charlotte was a great move.

P.S. I love that ABD is citing the Chandler trade as a great move. What about signing Chris Kaman to a one-year deal?

 

[thebigabd]

Getting Chandler in what amounted to a salary dump by Charlotte was a great move.

P.S. I love that ABD is citing the Chandler trade as a great move. What about signing Chris Kaman to a one-year deal?

I was wrong.

 

[Eielson]

Jordan to Dallas is very similar to Howard to Houston. They're both Fegan clients who grew tired of being the whipping boy of an overbearing superstar, then were recruited by Chandler Parsons to join a Texas team where they would better fit in terms of personality. They were both sold on their low post games being featured in offenses that had played a much different style.

Howard seems happier despite not being the featured player in an offense that's nearly identical to the system he hated so much in LA. Likewise, Dallas probably figures that they'll run a few plays for Jordan while asking him to do mostly the same as what he did in LA, and he'll probably he happier because he's not getting blamed for everything by an a-hole teammate and the media.

That's very true, and I was actually thinking about the Howard situation as I wrote it. Another thing I was thinking about, was that despite Rondo's decline in defense, he's maintained his reputation. If Jordan's rebounds fell off, that would be noticeable, but I bet that even if Jordan's defense fell off over these next couple years, he'd maintain his reputation, and that's really all that matters in free agency.

 

[bocabull]

lol so after 15 years the best personnel move by Cuban was the trade for Chandler. Of course the other side of that trade was a couple Cuban mistakes named Erica Dampier and Matt Carroll.

And Cuban didn't resign Chandler who went and win defensive POY for the Knicks because he decided to give Brendan Haywood $55 million instead. haha

Cuban is terrible. Dirk was just that damn good.