Mavs max 3 second rounders

[Eielson]

2002 playoffs. Even though KG has been in the league 3 years longer and was hyped as the big ticket Dirk thoroughly dominated and embossed him. Averaged 33 & 16 for the series including 39 and 17 in the close out game.

You do realize that 39 is still a smaller number than 40, right? And you're talking about one game out of 39 matchups between the two as if it's a common occurrence.

 

[thebigabd]

2002 playoffs. Even though KG had been in the league 3 years longer and was hyped as the big ticket Dirk thoroughly dominated and embarrassed him. Averaged 33 & 16 for the series including 39 and 17 in the close out game. Total mismatch. KG is not in Dirks league.

And how stupid is it fior somebody to say the # 6 all time scorer who beat Lebron Dwade Bosh by himself is maybe only top 10 of his era. Ignorant.

Agree 100%.

Plus, you have to look at the skill-set too. Dirk is one of the most unique players in the world. Dirk has invented moves that other players now try to copy, and every big man with shooting skills is (unfairly) held to his standard. And nobody has come along to match what he can do, despite being a long list of next "Dirk Nowitzkis", there hasnt been anyone close.

He put that franchise on his back and won at the highest levels... he was unguardable.

 

[Eielson]

If we're just going to hand-pick games over the course of their obnoxiously long careers, how about we look at their matchups in the 2003-2004 season. That was one of the only years where KG had any help, and that help came in the form of some over-the-hill 33 and 34 year olds named Latrell Spreewell and Sam Cassell.

Here's the night where KG went 28/19/4 on 73.3% shooting against Dirk's 15/3/4 (did he really on have 3 rebounds??) on 38.5% shooting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200403030MIN.html

Or how about this one where KG went 35/10/10 on 50% shooting against Dirk's 15/7/1 on 30.8% shooting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200312180MIN.html

 

[sperry]

Agree 100%.

Plus, you have to look at the skill-set too. Dirk is one of the most unique players in the world. Dirk has invented moves that other players now try to copy, and every big man with shooting skills is (unfairly) held to his standard. And nobody has come along to match what he can do, despite being a long list of next "Dirk Nowitzkis", there hasnt been anyone close.

He put that franchise on his back and won at the highest levels... he was unguardable.

Skill sets??? KG averaged 25 points, 14 rebounds, 5 assists, 1.5 steals and 2.2 blocks one season.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

is boca really saying that dirk is a top 10 nba player of all time? really?

boca gonna boca

 

[Eielson]

Skill sets??? KG averaged 25 points, 14 rebounds, 5 assists, 1.5 steals and 2.2 blocks one season.

Yeah, I'm really not sure where he's going with this. Dirk can shoot, shoot, and shoot some more. That's really where Dirk's skillset starts and ends, and he's amazing at it, but he's not the all-around player KG is. Dirk isn't even an all-around offensive player, as the ball seems glued to his hand. In Dirk vs KG matchups, one of them has had 5 or more assists 20 times. Out of those 20, KG was that person 19 times.

Then of course, you have the fact that KG was the league-leading rebounder 4 years in a row, and won a DPOY to go along with his annual All-NBA Defensive 1st team awards.

 

[bocabull]

Dirk is a finals MVP who is going to pass Shaq for 6th place on the all time scoring list. A couple years ago Jordan was asked what current players would have dominated any era like they did then. He said Lebron, Kobe, Tim Duncan and Dirk.

I brought up the playoff series between Dirk & KG because greatness is measured in the playoffs not some random regular season game. That series in particular came at a time when KG was in his prime and Dirk was just entering his. KG was being declared the best by far and Dirk was ridiculed as soft and ignorantly called irk. Dirk didn't just beat KG. He effing smoked him. Put any doubt to rest who was superior. 39 & 17 in the close out game and said shut down this biatch. lol @ 39 points is not 40. Idiot.

 

[Eielson]

Dirk is a finals MVP who is going to pass Shaq for 6th place on the all time scoring list. A couple years ago Jordan was asked what current players would have dominated any era like they did then. He said Lebron, Kobe, Tim Duncan and Dirk.

Dirks has scored at a high level for a long time, and is still doing it at nearly 40 years of age. That's great, but nobody has questioned his ability to shoot. I'd also bet he's in the top 10 for points allowed.

You do realize how Jordan has done as a GM, right? He was a great player, but that clearly doesn't mean he knows talent when he sees it. Thanks for the good laugh!

:ez-laugh:

I brought up the playoff series between Dirk & KG because greatness is measured in the playoffs not some random regular season game. That series in particular came at a time when KG was in his prime and Dirk was just entering his.

Dirk was every bit as much in his prime as KG was. Statistically, that was the best year of Dirk's career. KG, on the other hand, was starting to enter his prime, but was better in the next 4 years of his career.

Dirk didn't just beat KG. He effing smoked him.

The Mavs beat the Timberwolves. To my knowledge, KG and Dirk didn't play a game of one on one. Dirks was backed by guys like Steve Nash and Michael Finley, while KG was backed by Wally Sczerbiak and Terrell Brandon. On what planet is that fair? I'm sure Rasho Nesterovic was a blast to play with down low.

39 & 17 in the close out game and said shut down this biatch.

I love that you keep throwing around Dirk's rebounding numbers as if they're super important, yet you ignore the fact that Kevin Garnett is one of the best rebounders of his era. Just for the record, Dirk was 33.3/15.7/0.7 that series, and KG was 24.0/18.7/5.0. KG put up big numbers, too. Regardless, I'm not too worried about the numbers somebody put up in 3 of his 143 playoff games (or 1200 total).

lol @ 39 points is not 40. Idiot.

Is anybody in disagreement that 39 is less than 40? Even if it wasn't, it's not a nightly occurrence, so you're exaggeration is still obnoxious.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

I'm sorry, I love both Dirk's career, and KG's, but anyone who says either is head & shoulders above the other isn't being objective.

Both were/are very unselfish players who suffered through years of less than stellar teams. Both won a ring when they added help. Dirk redefined the stretch 4 position, and became the best shooting big man the game ever saw. He could score at will on anyone, but gave up tons of easy buckets, and never really bought into rebounding/defending until the time period they actually became contenders.

KG redefined the defensive stretch 4 position. I will never forget how an undersized KG defended Shaq for a series when LA was in their prime with the Shaq/Kobe/Fox/Fisher led Lakers. KG is the only guy I ever saw hold his own against Shaq on the low block. Of course Shaq got off as he did against everyone back then, but an undermanned T'Wolves team gave LA all they wanted, and it was mainly because of KG.

KG was the best defensive forward in the league for many yrs. The distance between his defensive/rebounding ability, and Dirks, is far greater than the distance between their offensive ability when both were in their primes.....

Both were/are great players who carved out their own legacy early, with minimal help. I'm glad both won a ring because they exemplify what a team guy looks like. I would take either in a war, because they both gave their all to the team. Dirk was always good for the big shot, and KG was always good to defend the big shot.

OKC fans should love KG because he made that bum Kendrick Perkins look like a real defensive stopper in Boston. LOL......... Perk has lived off KG's efforts since he played with him in Beantown.