MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

[TEvans4Three]

Are you sure? Many, many teams are having the turnover we are, some are much worse. I have news for you, unless something changes, the turnover will accelerate every year, especially for teams with smaller NIL deals.

HS player is overlooked and signs with small school. He has a great freshman season, into the portal and moves up to P5. Another good season, into the portal for more money and trying to move up to blue blood or better school and more money.

Under this new system, why wouldn’t a great player use the portal as leverage for a better deal every year? If something doesn’t change, this is the new normal. OU isn’t immune and we are experiencing average turnover compared to all of CBB.

Here are the portal numbers again (For the Net Top 50)...as of like a week or so ago.

Oklahoma is the 2nd highest in portalers out and in.

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Texas Tech

9​

6​

7​

63​

6​

6​

27​

6​

5​

0​

6​

33.00​

18​

18​

23​

On3

18​

24​

Oklahoma

39​

4​

6​

68​

5​

5​

46​

6​

6​

0​

4​

51.00​

15​

17​

35​

On3

15​

21​

Iowa St

49​

7​

6​

20​

4​

6​

6​

3​

3​

2​

4​

25.00​

14​

15​

18​

On3

16​

19​

Wash St

61​

3​

2​

73​

2​

6​

44​

3​

4​

0​

6​

59.33​

8​

12​

39​

On3

8​

18​

Texas A&M

43​

7​

7​

19​

4​

5​

45​

3​

5​

0​

1​

35.67​

14​

17​

24​

On3

14​

18​

Tennessee

7​

1​

4​

4​

1​

5​

7​

3​

8​

0​

0​

6.00​

5​

17​

3​

On3

5​

17​

Utah

60​

4​

7​

18​

3​

3​

48​

3​

4​

1​

2​

42.00​

10​

14​

29​

On3

11​

16​

Miss St

57​

4​

4​

49​

5​

6​

31​

2​

3​

1​

3​

45.67​

11​

13​

32​

On3

12​

16​

St. John's

69​

4​

5​

98​

2​

0​

32​

9​

10​

0​

1​

66.33​

15​

15​

45​

247

15​

16​

TCU

44​

5​

7​

28​

1​

1​

42​

5​

4​

0​

3​

38.00​

11​

12​

25​

On3

11​

15​

Nebraska

141​

3​

3​

92​

4​

4​

33​

4​

4​

0​

4​

88.67​

11​

11​

48​

On3

11​

15​

Wake Forest

48​

4​

4​

90​

4​

2​

43​

4​

3​

0​

5​

60.33​

12​

9​

41​

On3

12​

14​

Pittsburgh

205​

1​

4​

67​

3​

5​

40​

2​

2​

0​

2​

104.00​

6​

11​

49​

On3

6​

13​

Arizona

2​

3​

7​

10​

2​

2​

4​

3​

4​

0​

0​

5.33​

8​

13​

2​

247

8​

13​

Illinois

15​

2​

1​

34​

3​

5​

13​

3​

6​

1​

1​

20.67​

8​

12​

16​

On3

9​

13​

North Carolina

31​

3​

3​

46​

1​

3​

8​

5​

7​

0​

0​

28.33​

9​

13​

21​

On3

9​

13​

Florida

59​

4​

3​

62​

4​

4​

29​

6​

5​

0​

1​

50.00​

14​

12​

33​

On3

14​

13​

New Mexico

162​

4​

3​

54​

1​

3​

22​

3​

4​

0​

2​

79.33​

8​

10​

46​

247

8​

12​

Kansas

6​

4​

4​

9​

1​

0​

19​

4​

8​

2​

0​

11.33​

9​

12​

7​

On3

11​

12​

UConn

17​

0​

3​

8​

3​

4​

2​

1​

4​

0​

0​

9.00​

4​

11​

6​

247

4​

11​

Marquette

42​

3​

6​

12​

1​

1​

14​

0​

4​

0​

0​

22.67​

4​

11​

17​

247

4​

11​

Cincinnati

29​

2​

4​

70​

3​

3​

37​

5​

3​

0​

1​

45.33​

10​

10​

31​

On3

10​

11​

Texas

16​

6​

4​

7​

2​

4​

30​

5​

2​

0​

1​

17.67​

13​

10​

14​

On3

13​

11​

Kentucky

5​

4​

2​

26​

1​

3​

18​

1​

4​

0​

1​

16.33​

6​

9​

13​

On3

6​

10​

Creighton

55​

1​

1​

17​

2​

2​

11​

3​

6​

0​

1​

27.67​

6​

9​

19​

247

6​

10​

Nevada

122​

3​

1​

37​

4​

6​

34​

0​

3​

1​

0​

64.33​

7​

10​

44​

On3

8​

10​

Alabama

30​

2​

1​

2​

2​

5​

9​

4​

4​

1​

0​

13.67​

8​

10​

10​

On3

9​

10​

Ohio St

26​

2​

3​

52​

3​

2​

49​

3​

3​

1​

2​

42.33​

8​

8​

30​

On3

9​

10​

Baylor

4​

2​

1​

15​

3​

2​

15​

2​

5​

0​

1​

11.33​

7​

8​

7​

On3

7​

9​

Auburn

11​

4​

4​

32​

1​

1​

5​

2​

3​

0​

1​

16.00​

7​

8​

12​

On3

7​

9​

Drake

82​

0​

1​

55​

1​

0​

47​

4​

0​

0​

7​

61.33​

5​

1​

43​

247

5​

8​

Wisconsin

24​

3​

0​

80​

2​

2​

21​

1​

1​

0​

5​

41.67​

6​

3​

28​

On3

6​

8​

Clemson

84​

2​

4​

60​

1​

2​

35​

4​

2​

0​

0​

59.67​

7​

8​

40​

On3

7​

8​

BYU

54​

2​

0​

85​

3​

5​

12​

3​

2​

0​

1​

50.33​

8​

7​

34​

On3

8​

8​

Indiana St

236​

1​

4​

93​

1​

3​

28​

1​

0​

0​

0​

119.00​

3​

7​

50​

247

3​

7​

Dayton

58​

2​

1​

78​

1​

2​

23​

2​

4​

0​

0​

53.00​

5​

7​

36​

247

5​

7​

Florida Atlantic

131​

2​

2​

13​

1​

1​

39​

0​

0​

0​

3​

61.00​

3​

3​

42​

On3

3​

6​

Boise St

29​

0​

2​

29​

2​

3​

26​

3​

1​

0​

0​

28.00​

5​

6​

20​

On3

5​

6​

Colorado St

28​

1​

0​

110​

2​

3​

25​

2​

2​

0​

0​

54.33​

5​

5​

37​

On3

5​

5​

Colorado St

28​

1​

0​

110​

2​

3​

36​

2​

2​

0​

0​

58.00​

5​

5​

38​

On3

5​

5​

Duke

12​

2​

3​

16​

3​

2​

10​

1​

0​

0​

0​

12.67​

6​

5​

9​

On3

6​

5​

Utah St

60​

1​

1​

18​

2​

0​

38​

3​

3​

0​

1​

38.67​

6​

4​

26​

On3

6​

5​

San Diego St

25​

3​

0​

14​

2​

2​

20​

2​

3​

0​

0​

19.67​

7​

5​

15​

247

7​

5​

Gonzaga

1​

2​

2​

6​

2​

0​

17​

3​

3​

1​

0​

8.00​

7​

5​

5​

247

8​

5​

Michigan St

36​

1​

2​

33​

0​

1​

24​

0​

1​

0​

0​

31.00​

1​

4​

22​

On3

1​

4​

St. Mary's

19​

0​

0​

11​

1​

1​

16​

0​

1​

0​

1​

15.33​

1​

2​

11​

247

1​

3​

Purdue

13​

1​

0​

5​

2​

2​

3​

1​

1​

0​

0​

7.00​

4​

3​

4​

On3

4​

3​

Villanova

8​

0​

1​

75​

0​

1​

41​

4​

1​

0​

0​

41.33​

4​

3​

27​

247

4​

3​

Houston

3​

2​

1​

1​

2​

1​

1​

2​

2​

0​

1​

1.67​

6​

1​

1​

On3

6​

2​

Grand Canyon

92​

106​

50​

82.67​

0​

0​

47​

247

0​

0​

 

[WTSooner]

Alabama just made a final 4 replacing 9 players and all of their assistant coaches as well.

NC State basically had an entire roster of new transfers.

More schools than not are having this level of turnover now.

Texas the last few years has been transfer U.

We literally had this discussion already, and the data was provided. We're on the bad side of this, on average.

And again, we aren't losing kids that are chasing a bag. You don't think Uzan stays if OU is 3-4 wins better and he wasn't sharing the rock with JM?

Winning and development would solve a lot of our "transfer" problems.

 

[NickZepp]

We literally had this discussion already, and the data was provided. We're on the bad side of this, on average.

And again, we aren't losing kids that are chasing a bag. You don't think Uzan stays if OU is 3-4 wins better and he wasn't sharing the rock with JM?

Winning and development would solve a lot of our "transfer" problems.

McCollum is/was chasing a bag

Hugley we overpaid for and let him go because he was gonna make less here. So chasing a bag

Oweh and Los both make more in their next locations than at Oklahoma.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

We literally had this discussion already, and the data was provided. We're on the bad side of this, on average.

And again, we aren't losing kids that are chasing a bag. You don't think Uzan stays if OU is 3-4 wins better and he wasn't sharing the rock with JM?

Winning and development would solve a lot of our "transfer" problems.

I agree with part of this. I think winning will help. You or I or anyone really knows about whether we're losing kids because they are chasing a bag...but it was pretty clearly laid out that Hughley was looking to get closer to home and making $$....JM was also one I read was looking to get paid but If UNC, Duke, Alabama, etc are losing kids then winning isn't the cure all.

If Uzan is leaving because he doesn't like sharing the ball that is selfish...its not on moser. Just my opinion.

I don't think we are losing all the kids due to $$...but I think we lose some due to $$. I also don't believe we are losing a huge number of kids because they hate Moser either. Part of it is just the nature of college basketball today. It's a mix of all of it.

 

[WichitaSooner]

McCollum is/was chasing a bag

Hugley we overpaid for and let him go because he was gonna make less here. So chasing a bag

Oweh and Los both make more in their next locations than at Oklahoma.

JM is chasing his unrealistic belief that he is an NBA draft pick. All you have to do is look at all the stuff his “manager” has been tweeting about him for 12 months. He flamed out in Norman/under Moser, so now he is off to another stop in another attempt to private that a tiny guard who doesn’t have a single NBA trait should be drafted.

 

[WTSooner]

JM is chasing his unrealistic belief that he is an NBA draft pick. All you have to do is look at all the stuff his “manager” has been tweeting about him for 12 months. He flamed out in Norman/under Moser, so now he is off to another stop in another attempt to private that a tiny guard who doesn’t have a single NBA trait should be drafted.

Agreed. I don't thin McCollum leaving has anything to do with NIL, and everything to do with finding a program that will showcase his NBA dream.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Agreed. I don't thin McCollum leaving has anything to do with NIL, and everything to do with finding a program that will showcase his NBA dream.

I agree to an extent, but I willbnever understand why you two won't accept the fact that NIL plays a significant impact today...no matter how many articles quoting college coaches saying so. I posted two in the last few days where they quoted college coaches' thoughts and amounts people were getting or asking for. Not an attack on ya'll...more a question why you refuse to admit NIL plays a factor in most movement (whether it's the main factor or not)

I agree about JM chasing an NBA dream but I guarantee NIL will play a factor on tge landing point....ESPECIALLY for a guy with an "agent" running things for him.

 

[WTSooner]

I agree to an extent, but I willbnever understand why you two won't accept the fact that NIL plays a significant impact today...no matter how many articles quoting college coaches saying so. I posted two in the last few days where they quoted college coaches' thoughts and amounts people were getting or asking for. Not an attack on ya'll...more a question why you refuse to admit NIL plays a factor in most movement (whether it's the main factor or not)

I agree about JM chasing an NBA dream but I guarantee NIL will play a factor on tge landing point....ESPECIALLY for a guy with an "agent" running things for him.

When we start getting guys like Zeke Mayo into our program, they excel, and then they want to leave to go to a KU for more NIL than we can pay them, I'll say that NIL is keeping OU from achieving my goals for the program.

I don't care about NIL as an excuse because I think we're getting plenty of talent on campus and wasting it. I don't know how much clearer I can be on that topic. Is it easier for OU to come up with an additional $2M for basketball NIL every year, or is it easier to find a coach that can build a roster, develop players, and win 22-25 games a year? I think the latter is MUCH easier, but that is simply my opinion.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I agree to an extent, but I willbnever understand why you two won't accept the fact that NIL plays a significant impact today...no matter how many articles quoting college coaches saying so. I posted two in the last few days where they quoted college coaches' thoughts and amounts people were getting or asking for. Not an attack on ya'll...more a question why you refuse to admit NIL plays a factor in most movement (whether it's the main factor or not)

I agree about JM chasing an NBA dream but I guarantee NIL will play a factor on tge landing point....ESPECIALLY for a guy with an "agent" running things for him.

I’ve never said it’s not a factor. I’ve said that I don’t think it’s THE reason every single time we lose a guy or miss on a target. And I think it’s unlikely to be the main reason that any of the four outgoing players are in the portal this year. If we were having on-court success and guys were still leaving, then I’d be more inclined to think that was the reason.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

+

When we start getting guys like Zeke Mayo into our program, they excel, and then they want to leave to go to a KU for more NIL than we can pay them, I'll say that NIL is keeping OU from achieving my goals for the program.

I don't care about NIL as an excuse because I think we're getting plenty of talent on campus and wasting it. I don't know how much clearer I can be on that topic. Is it easier for OU to come up with an additional $2M for basketball NIL every year, or is it easier to find a coach that can build a roster, develop players, and win 22-25 games a year? I think the latter is MUCH easier, but that is simply my opinion.

My honest take on NIL is that we are losing out on more upper level guys because we aren't as competitive in NIL than we are LOSING guys to NIL.

I know you don't like Moser...you've said it plenty...but I think finding a coach that develops guys over the long haul and keeps a roster together for 3-4 years is becoming more rare as time goes because of the portal...kids that don't get instant gratification, etc are leaving more and more.

I'm not pumping up Moser because he has his faults...and you and I both are not fond of his offense....but I don't think he's as at fault with some of the transfers as you do....but we don't have to agree on everything.

 

[BCSooners]

You tell us! After all, you coached college ball so we should all be bowing down to your knowledge, correct?

Good lord

 

[NickZepp]

UConn's top 2 scorers were both transfers

+

My honest take on NIL is that we are losing out on more upper level guys because we aren't as competitive in NIL than we are LOSING guys to NIL.

I know you don't like Moser...you've said it plenty...but I think finding a coach that develops guys over the long haul and keeps a roster together for 3-4 years is becoming more rare as time goes because of the portal...kids that don't get instant gratification, etc are leaving more and more.

I'm not pumping up Moser because he has his faults...and you and I both are not fond of his offense....but I don't think he's as at fault with some of the transfers as you do....but we don't have to agree on everything.

We don't have the NIL or consistent fan support to keep guys around in this NIL and free transfer era. I'm not even sure Tubbs or Sampson could do it although they were both more galvanizing so they would have a better shot here. But if the money ain't here it doesn't matter in the end.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

And we're not losing kids to the Portal over NIL. .

you know repeating everyday doesn’t make it so

 

[Speedy17]

I’ve never said it’s not a factor. I’ve said that I don’t think it’s THE reason every single time we lose a guy or miss on a target. And I think it’s unlikely to be the main reason that any of the four outgoing players are in the portal this year. If we were having on-court success and guys were still leaving, then I’d be more inclined to think that was the reason.

If you go look at the data, on court success doesn't mean people are staying anywhere in the current environment.

Oklahoma has 18 portal outs since 2021-2022.

Back to Back defending Champion Connecticut has 11.
Final 4 Alabama has 10
Elite 8 Illinois has 12
Elite 8 Tennessee has 17
Sweet 16 Iowa State has 15
Sweet 16 North Carolina has 13
Sweet 16 Arizona has 13
Sweet 16 Marquette has 11.

The game has changed and even the Blue Bloods are playing the game. For OU, it is tougher than most because the real big dog in Norman is Football and always will be. That is where OU will primarily spend NIL money.

 

[StoopsBros]

Pedulla followed this kid from North Texas (who's in the portal). He visited Memphis on Friday and plans to visit St. John's on Monday.

Aaron Scott Career Stats - NCAAM - ESPN

Complete career NCAAM stats for the St. John's Red Storm Guard Aaron Scott on ESPN. Includes points, rebounds, and assists.

www.espn.com

 

[WichitaSooner]

If you go look at the data, on court success doesn't mean people are staying anywhere in the current environment.

Oklahoma has 18 portal outs since 2021-2022.

Back to Back defending Champion Connecticut has 11.
Final 4 Alabama has 10
Elite 8 Illinois has 12
Elite 8 Tennessee has 17
Sweet 16 Iowa State has 15
Sweet 16 North Carolina has 13
Sweet 16 Arizona has 13
Sweet 16 Marquette has 11.

The game has changed and even the Blue Bloods are playing the game. For OU, it is tougher than most because the real big dog in Norman is Football and always will be. That is where OU will primarily spend NIL money.

The discussion we are having is how it’s impacting OU. I’m not going to beat a dead horse, I just don’t think our transfers have been due to NIL. As for some of the programs you mention, I think some of those guys leave because they are looking for more PT and/or have been processed.

 

[StoopsBros]

As expected

 

[TopherB560]

Pedulla followed this kid from North Texas (who's in the portal). He visited Memphis on Friday and plans to visit St. John's on Monday.

Aaron Scott Career Stats - NCAAM - ESPN

Complete career NCAAM stats for the St. John's Red Storm Guard Aaron Scott on ESPN. Includes points, rebounds, and assists.

www.espn.com

That kid can come with Pedulla and Garrison to Norman.

 

[WTSooner]

you know repeating everyday doesn’t make it so

It's typically reported on, or known from the offering schools, who is chasing a bag.

JM has been rumored to GT since basically the day he entered the Portal. Not one word about it being NIL related at all. But let me guess, GT is packing 2x or 3x what we are in bball NIL, right?

 

[hoopsaustin]

As expected

Meh