MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

IndySooner said:
Oh, it would be. And I'm really the only one that cared about the basketball. But I can spend a LOT less for a beach/resort vacation, even though I know Atlantis is amazing.
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I had a great time when I went in 2014…granted we had a better team.
 
WTSooner said:
I don't care what it does for you.

The difference between 20 wins and 22/23 wins is HUGE. One puts you squarely on the bubble. The other can get you a seed that says you should be winning your 1st round game.
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VERY quick research on my end, but I don't think there was a single P5/P6 conference team that won 22 or 23 games during the regular season last year that was left out of the NCAA Tournament. OU has won 20, 15, and 18 the past three seasons.

But there is a HUGE difference between the 18-20/21 win range, and the 22-23 win range. Makes all the difference.
 
WTSooner said:
I don't care what it does for you.

The difference between 20 wins and 22/23 wins is HUGE. One puts you squarely on the bubble. The other can get you a seed that says you should be winning your 1st round game.
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One puts us out. One puts us in and going home by Sunday in the first weekend. Barely getting in or one-and-done isn't a success either.

Maybe better than now but no one would be happy if that was our standard.

Sorry if I have a higher standard and realize in 2024, you can't achieve that standard without more investment into the program. Which BTW, is how you get a better coach.

Better coach=more $$$$ Better players=more NIL $$$$ Better players, better coach=more winning

The common theme is our basketball program needs more investment/support from the top, not solely a coach that squeezing out a couple of wins to get us to one--and-done.
 
WTSooner said:
VERY quick research on my end, but I don't think there was a single P5/P6 conference team that won 22 or 23 games during the regular season last year that was left out of the NCAA Tournament. OU has won 20, 15, and 18 the past three seasons.

But there is a HUGE difference between the 18-20/21 win range, and the 22-23 win range. Makes all the difference.
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and what does that quick research show on the NIL support for those P5/P6 teams that won 22 or 23 games? How many had less support than OU?
 
SoonerfanOU10 said:
I hardly post, just lurked for years. I consider myself the ultimate upbeat, positive person when it comes to OU basketball. I am currently not at present. Hopefully that changes as I want OU basketball to win a national championship in my lifetime more than almost any other sporting achievement.
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I used to be that way. The last few years of Lon bled into the current product and the well ran dry for me. I was upbeat for a few minutes this season, but we circled the drain at the end......as always. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Although it looks like the bottom may be coming into view.
 
MJSooner said:
One puts us out. One puts us in and going home by Sunday in the first weekend. Barely getting in or one-and-done isn't a success either.

Maybe better than now but no one would be happy if that was our standard.

Sorry if I have a higher standard and realize in 2024, you can't achieve that standard without more investment into the program. Which BTW, is how you get a better coach.

Better coach=more $$$$ Better players=more NIL $$$$ Better players, better coach=more winning

The common theme is our basketball program needs more investment/support from the top, not solely a coach that squeezing out a couple of wins to get us to one--and-done.
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If your "standard" is higher than what I listed, then you are asking OU to have a standard that they have really never been able to consistently maintain.

That seems kind of dumb.
 
Goldberg719 said:
It’s time for Porter and Co to just go young. Put what money you have to get young guys who didn’t get a ton of minutes and are looking for a chance (like cooper) or ones looking more offensive opportunity. One that comes to mind is that Iowa state PF. Dude hasn’t been talked about at all since entering but has a lot of potential.
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Seems like the right route to go
 
WTSooner said:
If your "standard" is higher than what I listed, then you are asking OU to have a standard that they have really never been able to consistently maintain.

That seems kind of dumb.
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Never been able to consistently maintain?!? Really??

From 1983 to 2016 doesn't count?

Very few of those years were we just hoping to get into the tournament. Getting in and getting a win was expected; anything more was celebrated.

But all this is getting off the point. We are losing kids who have visited or those who don't even give us a look because our AD and admin aren't supporting the program. And a lot of that means that we are consistently getting outbid, even for those kids that should be locks.

We aren't losing them solely because our coach fails to get us in the first four in.
 
I don’t think we should spend whatever $$$ we have on a center. Spend it all on guards and roll with Godwin, Northweather and Moore.

That’s our only chance to be competitive and it probably won’t work, but paying some overpriced big man to score 4 ppg isn’t going to help.
 
MJSooner said:
Never been able to consistently maintain?!? Really??

From 1983 to 2016 doesn't count?

Very few of those years were we just hoping to get into the tournament. Getting in and getting a win was expected; anything more was celebrated.

But all this is getting off the point. We are losing kids who have visited or those who don't even give us a look because our AD and admin aren't supporting the program. And a lot of that means that we are consistently getting outbid, even for those kids that should be locks.

We aren't losing them solely because our coach fails to get us in the first four in.
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Did you even read my post about my expectations?

1. Where did I say anything about being a fringe Tournament team barely getting in? 22-23 wins gets you in EVERY time.
2. My expectations/current standard is pretty much dead on what OU's program has been over the years when it's going "good". That is kind of the definition of a standard.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Duke lost five scrubs and two good players. They have the top class in the country coming in and five of the defections would never have seen the floor, and the other two guys likely would have seen their roles change significantly. And do you really think Duke, of all programs, is lacking NIL funds? If they get outbid for a player, e.g., Roach, it isn't because they can't afford him, it is likely because they simply don't think he is worth as much as he is asking for and they are confident they will be fine without him.
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So, essentially the kids left for more money. Doesn't matter if Duke thought they weren't worth it or not or even whether or not they could have afforded to pay them their number. The fact is, these kids left for more money. So, his point is accurate.
 
colston15 said:
I don’t think we should spend whatever $$$ we have on a center. Spend it all on guards and roll with Godwin, Northweather and Moore.

That’s our only chance to be competitive and it probably won’t work, but paying some overpriced big man to score 4 ppg isn’t going to help.
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I'd rather see us go take a shot at some small school guards that can fill it up at this point. If it fails, it won't really matter next year. Get some guards that can score it, run a guard-centric offense, and let's go.
 
SwitzersBoys said:
So, essentially the kids left for more money. Doesn't matter if Duke thought they weren't worth it or not or even whether or not they could have afforded to pay them their number. The fact is, these kids left for more money. So, his point is accurate.
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No, it isn't. Losing kids for money would be if you want to keep them but simply don't have the money to offer them. If you have the money but choose to let five benchwarmers leave because you have better players coming in, that is a roster decision made by the coaches.
 
WTSooner said:
I'd rather see us go take a shot at some small school guards that can fill it up at this point. If it fails, it won't really matter next year. Get some guards that can score it, run a guard-centric offense, and let's go.
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The issue is I think Moser is completely incapable of adapting his offense to his players.
 
Moore needs to get out while he can. Hopefully the young guys play enough next year to put together a highlight film so they can transfer after Moser gets fired.
 
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