MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

Lexsooner said:
Why is everyone up in arms over the pedulla kid he is ok but not a difference maker either.
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I've said from the beginning that there are many Pedullas in the portal every year, though not many are from the state of Oklahoma. Pedulla isn't a can't-miss prospect, but if we can't land him, it does concern me our ability to land those other players of similar caliber. It doesn't seem that we have brought them in. Hopefully we aren't caught off guard and had a plan in place to pivot. I also hope this isn't tied to Garrison, though I fear it may be.
 
WTSooner said:
If your "standard" is higher than what I listed, then you are asking OU to have a standard that they have really never been able to consistently maintain.

That seems kind of dumb.
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WT calling something else dumb is quite...something. (3rd ignore...I may be setting a record!)

Here is my solution to all that is going on, easy win win for everyone:

 
BoulderSooner said:
OU football NIL is as good or better then all but about 5 schools in America
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aTm
texas
Oregon
tOSU
Bama
UGA
Tennessee

Others that easily could be:
Penn State
USC
Ole Miss
ND

I'd be pretty shocked if our annual spending was top 10 in NIL for football.
 
WTSooner said:
aTm
texas
Oregon
tOSU
Bama
UGA
Tennessee

Others that easily could be:
Penn State
USC
Ole Miss
ND

I'd be pretty shocked if our annual spending was top 10 in NIL for football.
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Sounds like Arkansas will be there soon too if not already. Wal-Mart, Tyson's, JB Hunt, and now Jerry Jones offering to pay double to Kentucky recruits in basketball. I'm sure he would do something similar for football as well. We are in need of some big boosters and/or some state legislation to improve our NIL.
 
WTSooner said:
Did you even read my post about my expectations?

1. Where did I say anything about being a fringe Tournament team barely getting in? 22-23 wins gets you in EVERY time.
2. My expectations/current standard is pretty much dead on what OU's program has been over the years when it's going "good". That is kind of the definition of a standard.
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You sure about that? That 22-23 wins in a P6 conference gets you in EVERY time??

First Four out since NIL with full season and NCAA tournament:
  • FF Out in 2022- Texas A&M had 23 wins
  • FF Out in 2023- Pitt had 22 wins, NC State had 23 wins
  • FF Out in 2024- Pitt had 22 wins
 
SwitzersBoys said:
Sounds like Arkansas will be there soon too if not already. Wal-Mart, Tyson's, JB Hunt, and now Jerry Jones offering to pay double to Kentucky recruits in basketball. I'm sure he would do something similar for football as well. We are in need of some big boosters and/or some state legislation to improve our NIL.
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I think a lot of their basketball money is simply them deciding money goes further in basketball than football. We could offer the same caliber of NIL if we decided we wanted to siphon it away from football. We have no interest in doing that.
 
WichitaSooner said:
No, it isn't. Losing kids for money would be if you want to keep them but simply don't have the money to offer them. If you have the money but choose to let five benchwarmers leave because you have better players coming in, that is a roster decision made by the coaches.
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The point is kids everywhere are leaving for more money. You can't retain rosters anymore. I'm not trying to defend Porter, as I am done defending him, but I just don't think throwing a new young coach at this will fix anything long term until the other issues are corrected first.
 
colston15 said:
I don’t think we should spend whatever $$$ we have on a center. Spend it all on guards and roll with Godwin, Northweather and Moore.

That’s our only chance to be competitive and it probably won’t work, but paying some overpriced big man to score 4 ppg isn’t going to help.
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Here's what I'd do.

Assume this is true...

$800K for Garrison.
$350K for Pedulla

and let's say you have $500K for the last 3.

Total: $1.65M or close, whatever, or $330K each. Who the fucc knows. All a guessing game.

I'd use today as motivation for more money. I'd be meeting with Joe C right now (assuming they're both in Norman). If that doesn't work, fine, work with what's available.


1. TIME TO HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER.

If that means letting someone go, I'd have a suggestion or two but I won't say them publicly, lol. There's some dead weight on staff, for sure. Moser needs to put his pride aside and become more willing to adapt. It may be too late now, unfortunately, unless you can hold quick zoom calls and get them to Norman within a day or two (lol).

2. Absolutely do not add Kobe Elvis. Move on. Thanks for visiting, good luck at whatever mid major you'll attend.

I can't reiterate that enough. It could have maybe worked with Pedullla, probably not, but it doesn't work without Pedulla, IMO. Just move on. Start fresh.

3. GET BUCKET GETTERS FUCCING NOW (yeah, I'm still a little pissed, dude) - At least $800K here. 2 players or one really good player?

I don't have the complete list in front of me but you need scorers. Yes, you need defenders, passers, role players, the whole gambit. This team has no playmakers outside of Moore now.

Here are some kids I'd look at off the top of my head (not necessarily add, just look into, watch film, etc):


Brycen Goodine (Fairfield)
BJ Freeman (Milwaukee)
Jayden Stone (Detroit Mercy)
Anthony Dell'Orso (Campbell)
Matt Cross (UMASS)
Noah Reynolds (Green Bay)
Vasean Allette (Old Dominion)
Marcus Hill (Bowling Green)
Ken Evans (Jackson State)
Deivion Smith (Utah) - a bit more of a pipe dream here but you never know.
Issac McBride (Oral Roberts)
etc


4. Find another big - $300-400K here


This is where I'd really have to dig hard. The Cisse kid, who is leaving Ole Miss, couldn't come to OU, according to Trilly. Supposedly, it'll have to be Memphis or Oklahoma State (academically). Truthfully, although the Garrison is recruitment isn't "done", I think $800K is silly af for him. He lacks a great offensive skillset right now. He is still what I'd call a project and for a school with limited NIL, it would be a risky gamble. Just go find someone who can start in the SEC or compete with Godwin. Be cheap as you can be at this point.


5. Then we move on to role players - depending on how you do with #3 & #4, maybe $400K ish here for 2-3 players.

I'd have to know the leftover budget, etc. But I'm not as worried about the Kobe Elvises of the world. As long as you find a couple of truly impactful players (the best you can), you can fill out the rest of the roster. There are plenty of these types still available.


(very scatterbrained and lacking thorough organization at the moment....I'm still out kicking trash cans)
 
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cmd posted it first on Scoop...again, I'm writing long posts AND kicking trash cans. LOLOLOL. What a day.

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He's supposed to visit Arizona State, I think. Lusk maybe? I was DMed it as a question. Arizona State boards are dead af.

Regardless, some of the NIL stuff is probably true and he's not that good. MOVE THE FUCC ON. Do not increase the offer.
 
StoopsBros said:
Here's what I'd do.

Assume this is true...

$800K for Garrison.
$350K for Pedulla

and let's say you have $500K for the last 3.

Total: $1.65M or close, whatever, or $330K each. Who the fucc knows. All a guessing game.

I'd use today as motivation for more money. I'd be meeting with Joe C right now (assuming they're both in Norman). If that doesn't work, fine, work with what's available.


1. TIME TO HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER.

If that means letting someone go, I'd have a suggestion or two but I won't say them publicly, lol. There's some dead weight on staff, for sure. Moser needs to put his pride aside and become more willing to adapt. It may be too late now, unfortunately, unless you can hold quick zoom calls and get them to Norman within a day or two (lol).

2. Absolutely do not add Kobe Elvis. Move on. Thanks for visiting, good luck at whatever mid major you'll attend.

I can't reiterate that enough. It could have maybe worked with Pedullla, probably not, but it doesn't work without Pedulla, IMO. Just move on. Start fresh.

3. GET BUCKET GETTERS FUCCING NOW (yeah, I'm still a little pissed, dude) - At least $800K here. 2 players or one really good player?

I don't have the complete list in front of me but you need scorers. Yes, you need defenders, passers, role players, the whole gambit. This team has no playmakers outside of Moore now.

Here are some kids I'd look at off the top of my head (not necessarily add, just look into, watch film, etc):


Brycen Goodine (Fairfield)
BJ Freeman (Milwaukee)
Jayden Stone (Detroit Mercy)
Anthony Dell'Orso (Campbell)
Matt Cross (UMASS)
Noah Reynolds (Green Bay)
Vasean Allette (Old Dominion)
Marcus Hill (Bowling Green)
Ken Evans (Jackson State)
Deivion Smith (Utah) - a bit more of a pipe dream here but you never know.
Issac McBride (Oral Roberts)
etc


4. Find another big - $300-400K here


This is where I'd really have to dig hard. The Cisse kid, who is leaving Ole Miss, couldn't come to OU, according to Trilly. Supposedly, it'll have to be Memphis or Oklahoma State (academically). Truthfully, although the Garrison is recruitment isn't "done", I think $800K is silly af for him. He lacks a great offensive skillset right now. He is still what I'd call a project and for a school with limited NIL, it would be a risky gamble. Just go find someone who can start in the SEC or compete with Godwin. Be cheap as you can be at this point.


5. Then we move on to role players - depending on how you do with #3 & #4, maybe $400K ish here for 2-3 players.

I'd have to know the leftover budget, etc. But I'm not as worried about the Kobe Elvises of the world. As long as you find a couple of truly impactful players (the best you can), you can fill out the rest of the roster. There are plenty of these types still available.


(very scatterbrained and lacking thorough organization at the moment....I'm still out kicking trash cans)
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I trust you more than porter..
 
StoopsBros said:
Here's what I'd do.

Assume this is true...

$800K for Garrison.
$350K for Pedulla

and let's say you have $500K for the last 3.

Total: $1.65M or close, whatever, or $330K each. Who the fucc knows. All a guessing game.

I'd use today as motivation for more money. I'd be meeting with Joe C right now (assuming they're both in Norman). If that doesn't work, fine, work with what's available.


1. TIME TO HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER.

If that means letting someone go, I'd have a suggestion or two but I won't say them publicly, lol. There's some dead weight on staff, for sure. Moser needs to put his pride aside and become more willing to adapt. It may be too late now, unfortunately, unless you can hold quick zoom calls and get them to Norman within a day or two (lol).

2. Absolutely do not add Kobe Elvis. Move on. Thanks for visiting, good luck at whatever mid major you'll attend.

I can't reiterate that enough. It could have maybe worked with Pedullla, probably not, but it doesn't work without Pedulla, IMO. Just move on. Start fresh.

3. GET BUCKET GETTERS FUCCING NOW (yeah, I'm still a little pissed, dude) - At least $800K here. 2 players or one really good player?

I don't have the complete list in front of me but you need scorers. Yes, you need defenders, passers, role players, the whole gambit. This team has no playmakers outside of Moore now.

Here are some kids I'd look at off the top of my head (not necessarily add, just look into, watch film, etc):


Brycen Goodine (Fairfield)
BJ Freeman (Milwaukee)
Jayden Stone (Detroit Mercy)
Anthony Dell'Orso (Campbell)
Matt Cross (UMASS)
Noah Reynolds (Green Bay)
Vasean Allette (Old Dominion)
Marcus Hill (Bowling Green)
Ken Evans (Jackson State)
Deivion Smith (Utah) - a bit more of a pipe dream here but you never know.
Issac McBride (Oral Roberts)
etc


4. Find another big - $300-400K here


This is where I'd really have to dig hard. The Cisse kid, who is leaving Ole Miss, couldn't come to OU, according to Trilly. Supposedly, it'll have to be Memphis or Oklahoma State (academically). Truthfully, although the Garrison is recruitment isn't "done", I think $800K is silly af for him. He lacks a great offensive skillset right now. He is still what I'd call a project and for a school with limited NIL, it would be a risky gamble. Just go find someone who can start in the SEC or compete with Godwin. Be cheap as you can be at this point.


5. Then we move on to role players - depending on how you do with #3 & #4, maybe $400K ish here for 2-3 players.

I'd have to know the leftover budget, etc. But I'm not as worried about the Kobe Elvises of the world. As long as you find a couple of truly impactful players (the best you can), you can fill out the rest of the roster. There are plenty of these types still available.


(very scatterbrained and lacking thorough organization at the moment....I'm still out kicking trash cans)
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I don't share your malcontent for Elvis. I'm not saying I'm a huge fan of his, but I think he's a useful guy as a role player. 72% EFG on catch and shoot is ridiculous. Moser's offense may have many issues, but one thing it does do well is set up a lot of catch and shoot threes. We just haven't had the guys to make those shots since he's been here.

Definitely need to find a big, whether it is Garrison or someone else. We need to find a rim-running, rim protector. That's what Garrison is but I'm sure we can find another athlete that's a little raw for much cheaper if Garrison goes elsewhere.

Agreed with you on the bucket getters. We haven't really had a legit guy like that since Moser has been here. Umoja wasn't, Sherfield was probably the closest we've had to one, and McCollum was way too small. We need guys that can handle the ball and score/drive and kick. Not sure who is out there that fits that mold, but I'm sure there are plenty of options. Much easier to find skilled guards in the portal I'd wager than it is to find skilled bigs.
 
It can't help Porter/OU in these NIL negotiations that we're basically desperate. We need Scott and/or Elvis just to build any momentum. Why wouldn't they ask for more?

Who else are we going to give the money to? I know there are other (better?) players out there, but we don't seem interested.
 
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