MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

StoopsBros said:
I supported him until the tourney miss. Like full homer. "OU's trending up". Sort of true but it's not enough.

But I also know no one's paying his buyout. Come on, we all knew/know that. I'm not knocking the admin, just stating the obvious tendencies (fiscally conservative). Our best bet was for Moser to Calipari himself (parachute).
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I think DePaul was going to pay it. Or was going to try and pay it. And if they weren't, Joe C. could have lowered it to get Moser out the door.

If you mean nobody on the OU side would pay it right now, that may be true. I don't honestly expect him to be fired "right now" for a lot of reasons. The OU Athletic Department has the money to let him (Porter) go though. They absolutely do. Especially with the increase in funds from the SEC move. Again, what the school has and what our NIL situation are, are two completely separate buckets/issues.
 
colston15 said:
The majority are rooting for him. We don’t want OU basketball to suck.

But it’s ok to say it sucks. We’re in a bad place and there’s no hope in sight.

We have one decent portal commit and lead for ZERO others, that we know of.
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Agreed.

No one is saying it doesn't suck or look bleak from what we can see as fans. As the great Bill Withers once said(sung), "Ain't No Sunshine"(pumpers) round here anymore.

But that is different than what has been posted of those who wish we would bottom out, pull all NIL money and support, or those who say supporting the success of Moser (which also means the success of the team) is just looking foolish. A new coach isn't happening right now, even if deserved, so no reason to keep harping on it.

Realizing that and moving on and wishing for success is not foolish. And one can do that and still realize it sucks right now
 
If an asteroid hit LNC, I wouldn't care, at this point. If those whose job it is to care don't, then why should I?
 
skyvue said:
The day I make my decision about where to live based solely--or even primarily--on taxes, you can put me six feet under. I'm done.
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My wife's uncle was in finance and lived in upstate NY before retirement. Bi-level home, 1500sf (?) one car garage on a postage stamp in a cul-de-sac. $10,000+ a year in property taxes. He researched for a retirement area for years prior and settled on DE. Him and his wife now live in a 2000sf, one story, open concept new build on 1 acre, 30 minutes from the beach. $500 a year for property taxes. Smart move.
 
Eielson said:
In football, I think it lasts. For big names, I also think it lasts. If reports are true of role players getting 500K...I can't imagine that is sustainable.
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That's my thought. I think KU, UK, ect. will keep pumping $$ into basketball, but I don't see football schools pumping in $3-4 mil a year on basketball. Others have said they just move the money around, which makes sense and I believe them. I just have a hard time grasping the numbers the players are getting.
 
WTSooner said:
So when exactly did Joe C. stop caring about basketball?

And Joe C. isn't the only one that matters. Nobody else cares about it? The President doesn't care about it? NONE of the donors care about it?

A BIG deal was made at the time we hired Porter that he met with Joe C. to make sure the support and resources were in place. It's been rumored the same conversation happened at the end of the season when Porter was flirting with DePaul, and Porter AGAIN liked what he heard enough to stick around.

Much like nearly everything else that gets discussed on this board, our NIL issues are being VASTLY overblown.
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Football is king. We dont have the support like other blue blood football schools for basketball.

Frustrating to say the least.
 
WichitaSooner said:
I think it is perfectly reasonable and fair for any fan to realize after three years that the best thing for this program would be for Moser to no longer be our coach. We all know that isn't going to happen now, and that we are stuck with him for another year. I would love to make the NCAA tourney next season -- it would be my first choice in a heartbeat. But if that doesn't happen (and it is extremely likely that it won't), I don't want another bubble season that could give Joe cover to keep him. So, in order, my preference would be:

1.) Make the tourney and be pleasantly surprised that Moser got the job done
2.) Go something like 15-17 and have Joe make the move the day after we get eliminated from the SEC tourney
3.) Go 19-13, miss the tourney, and endure another season of Moser.
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Guess I'm wired differently.

I cannot imagine any scenario my preference would be for OU basketball to lose more games than they win, or root for failure more than success. I would trade all future softball, golf, and gymnastic championships, and even a football NC, for one chance to hoist the NC trophy while listening to One Shining Moment.

And BTW, in scenario 3, I think Moser would be gone. Deservedly so. But I would never root for that as it would mean missing the tourney.
 
WTSooner said:
If we miss out on all of those guys.....Pedulla, Garrison, Overton, Scott, and Godfrey, how does Moser keep his job?

Those of you that have supported him this entire time look straight up foolish. Dude is clowning you and clowning our program.
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Why would he lose his job? If you miss on all of those guys it isn't Moser's doing.
 
Goldberg719 said:
Cisse on campus at OSU yesterday. They’re gonna bring him back. We can still get Garrison just do your job Porter.
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What is "Porter's job"?
If Garrison wants to stay close to home, Moser can't move the campus closer to Garrison's home.
If he wants $$$, Moser can't write a check that won't clear.
So what do you want PM to do?
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Why would he lose his job? If you miss on all of those guys it isn't Moser's doing.
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Nothing is his fault. I've seen this same argument used during games. "It's not the coach's fault if the players turn the ball over or make dumb decisions. It's not the coach's fault if the players aren't ready at the start of the game/second half." Truly, he is Teflon Moser for some posters.
 
TSSR said:
Makes me think about to Josh_M over at SS saying it wasn't sustainable. When it's clearly sustainable. One of the dumbest takes I've seen on NIL in the past 4 years.
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It isn't sustainable because for most teams it isn't going to produce the results needed to sustain it.
Unless donors are OK with spending millions on mediocre teams.

The high end players will continue to be high. But if Ole Miss spends 4 MM for doesn't make the tourney or is a first round exit, are the donors going to keep paying that much for mediocre results? I doubt it. They certainily could but i doubt it
 
StoopsBros said:
I supported him until the tourney miss. Like full homer. "OU's trending up". Sort of true but it's not enough.

But I also know no one's paying his buyout. Come on, we all knew/know that. I'm not knocking the admin, just stating the obvious tendencies (fiscally conservative). Our best bet was for Moser to Calipari himself (parachute).

I championed Will Wade (when the DePaul stuff was happening). I know, he has baggage, and I get why others don't want that. I'm so tired of the roster mismanagement, though. It became a glaring issue with Lon and it has been an issue for 3-4 years under Moser. It's been a staple for 5 years at least (since Buddy?). Wade would have brought in dudes and an influx of NIL (self-NIL and some excitement, maybe). There's no way he'd lose Pedulla to Ole Piss (JMO)...assuming Wade would have wanted him.

I'm firmly of the opinion now...that Moser's done and what we're witnessing now are the vapors of his OU career. Sadly, again, it's not going to happen today. We'll have to endure another long season. $6M reasons, plus piss poor timing, why Moser will be in Norman for another season.

At the same time, I'm going to hope I'm wrong, and I'm cheering for a roster miracle. I want Moser to succeed because ultimately, I don't hate the guy, and I don't actually care who the damn coach is as long as they're winning games. Hire Dawn Staley if that means OU is getting to the tourney/having a chance to make a run.
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I definitely agree that Wade would actually have probably 3 to 4, maybe even all 5 spots filled because he can close on kids in the portal. He's doing it at McNeese State now and won 22 games there. Granted, level of play is different but got that team in the tournament. The guy wanted back in the SEC and was fighting to get the Arkansas job until they pulled Cal from Kentucky. Whoever in C&C or in the compliance department reading the numbers for NIL are off based on what the market is. OU, now, have lost 3 guys, potentially 4 because Moser couldn't close out a vision of the team and the NIL numbers aren't where they need to be.
 
WTSooner said:
I think DePaul was going to pay it. Or was going to try and pay it. And if they weren't, Joe C. could have lowered it to get Moser out the door.

If you mean nobody on the OU side would pay it right now, that may be true. I don't honestly expect him to be fired "right now" for a lot of reasons. The OU Athletic Department has the money to let him (Porter) go though. They absolutely do. Especially with the increase in funds from the SEC move. Again, what the school has and what our NIL situation are, are two completely separate buckets/issues.
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I think we mostly agree. They could, for sure. If the right people wanted it done. It would be terrible timing but at this point, unless a miracle happens, OU's going to have a frustrating season. It might as well be with a new coach building for the future instead of delaying it for another season.

I think I've said it in the past, I type so many words so it's hard to remember. My opinion isn't so much that the admin/people in control don't care about basketball. I simply think they have no idea what supporting basketball in today's era truly means (they should know, it's their job(s)). The same people want to take OU basketball 4 miles off campus while telling us it's the only choice doable. It's unimaginative and goes against what 90%+ of programs are doing. I'm not going to call for any (admin) firings. I'll let everyone else do that but I can't help but wonder what life would be like under more creative leadership.
 
daqman said:
What is "Porter's job"?
If Garrison wants to stay close to home, Moser can't move the campus closer to Garrison's home.
If he wants $$$, Moser can't write a check that won't clear.
So what do you want PM to do?
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Not be a terrible in-game coach. Not play an offensive system that is painful to watch and doesn't maximize the strengths of his players. Not wait till late Feb. to start our best player. Not waste a year of development for his highest rated recruit. Not narrow in on a few portal targets and then be left with no obvious plan B. Not print shirts with "DCO" and then play a passive defense even though guys like Waldo, Moore, and Oweh had more than enough talent and athleticism to, you know, actually create offense from defense.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Nothing is his fault. I've seen this same argument used during games. "It's not the coach's fault if the players turn the ball over or make dumb decisions. It's not the coach's fault if the players aren't ready at the start of the game/second half." Truly, he is Teflon Moser for some posters.
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I'm glad you finally understand this
 
Yall that think we don't have other players in the plan are crazy too. Need to step away from the edge of insanity
Again, just because it isn't blasted on social media doesn't mean pedulla and BG are the only targets. I'm sure the coaching staff has a long list of wants and are meeting around the clock on buiklding the roster
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Yall that think we don't have other players in the plan are crazy too. Need to step away from the edge of insanity
Again, just because it isn't blasted on social media doesn't mean pedulla and BG are the only targets. I'm sure the coaching staff has a long list of wants and are meeting around the clock on buiklding the roster
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Every once in a while, I agree with you.
 
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