MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

WichitaSooner said:
Not be a terrible in-game coach. Not play an offensive system that is painful to watch and doesn't maximize the strengths of his players. Not wait till late Feb. to start our best player. Not waste a year of development for his highest rated recruit. Not narrow in on a few portal targets and then be left with no obvious plan B. Not print shirts with "DCO" and then play a passive defense even though guys like Waldo, Moore, and Oweh had more than enough talent and athleticism to, you know, actually create offense from defense.
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Don't respond to my posts crybaby.
We were discussing signing Garrison, and how PM could make that happen.
So go cry in your pillow alone.
 
IndySooner said:
Every once in a while, I agree with you.
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Having a list of wants isn't the same as actually doing a good job of identifying the best fits for those wants and getting them on campus to visit. And working around the clock -- I think most coaches work hard. Some just work better/smarter than others.
 
daqman said:
Don't respond to my posts crybaby.
We were discussing signing Garrison, and how PM could make that happen.
So go cry in your pillow alone.
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But you contribute so much to the board, how can I possibly not reply to such brilliance?

As for Garrison -- funny how many times the narrative changes. I thought OSU was one of the only places people would admit has worse NIL than us. Now money is being tossed in as possible reason we may lose him?
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Yall that think we don't have other players in the plan are crazy too. Need to step away from the edge of insanity
Again, just because it isn't blasted on social media doesn't mean pedulla and BG are the only targets. I'm sure the coaching staff has a long list of wants and are meeting around the clock on buiklding the roster
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Really? When do they plan on having them visit?

I get most of what happens takes place behind the scenes, but we’re seeing almost nothing that inspires confidence.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Yall that think we don't have other players in the plan are crazy too. Need to step away from the edge of insanity
Again, just because it isn't blasted on social media doesn't mean pedulla and BG are the only targets. I'm sure the coaching staff has a long list of wants and are meeting around the clock on buiklding the roster
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Agree with you there may be plenty of other targets. And just because we don't know about them, doesn't mean there aren't interactions going back and forth.

But to @StoopsBros point, and as I have said too, the coaching staff and admin is not playing the game the same way "the market" is playing it. Not just from the amount of NIL, but social media usage, coach's tweets, or hype. Not saying they all need to be like Roy Manning when he was here, but almost nothing to promote OU basketball. That lack of usage tells me they probably aren't on the same level personally either. Add that combined with the lack of visits, and it becomes almost derelict in how they've played the portal. We should have 2-3 times the number of kids on campus. Having more also makes it appear there is a demand. A kid can visit now and he has leverage as they know no one else seems to competing for their spot. Gotta make it feel like there is competition as much as showing love and importance to each kid.

No doubt their "portal board" has more than 5 names on it, but it still appears what they've done isn't enough as it's not working as well as it should. The results show it.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Having a list of wants isn't the same as actually doing a good job of identifying the best fits for those wants and getting them on campus to visit. And working around the clock -- I think most coaches work hard. Some just work better/smarter than others.
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Well I wasn't addressing you so and I never said having a list is the same as doing a good job

But if anyone thinks that the only activity the coaches are doing is visible on social media, I think that is crazy.
And it is crazy to think a d1 coaching staff doesn't have more resources and hours put into forming this roster than fans on a message board.
And it is crazy to think the staff is fine with mediocrity
I'd guarantee that the staff wants to win worse than we want them to win
 
colston15 said:
Really? When do they plan on having them visit?

I get most of what happens takes place behind the scenes, but we’re seeing almost nothing that inspires confidence.
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I don't know and I don't care
And just remember than some kids don't necessarily care about visits. A lot of communication and talks happen without a visit
 
TopherB560 said:
I definitely agree that Wade would actually have probably 3 to 4, maybe even all 5 spots filled because he can close on kids in the portal. He's doing it at McNeese State now and won 22 games there. Granted, level of play is different but got that team in the tournament. The guy wanted back in the SEC and was fighting to get the Arkansas job until they pulled Cal from Kentucky. Whoever in C&C or in the compliance department reading the numbers for NIL are off based on what the market is. OU, now, have lost 3 guys, potentially 4 because Moser couldn't close out a vision of the team and the NIL numbers aren't where they need to be.
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Yeah, earlier ITT I called the Belzer dude a clown (C&C). He literally said most "power" schools will be operating with a budget of $1.6M this upcoming season. Imagine the admin and coaches listening to him. They'd be at a severe disadvantage. Meanwhile, here in reality, we're seeing some kids get $1.4M (or even $850K for Pedulla). Even if the numbers are inflated a bit, there's just no way the average "power" program is operating with only $1.6M. That's probably the average for an A10 school. Heck, I bet that's about what Grand Canyon is spending.

Wade is never going to be hired at OU. I know that. It's more about what he represents; adding really good basketball talent.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Well I wasn't addressing you so and I never said having a list is the same as doing a good job

But if anyone thinks that the only activity the coaches are doing is visible on social media, I think that is crazy.
And it is crazy to think a d1 coaching staff doesn't have more resources and hours put into forming this roster than fans on a message board.
And it is crazy to think the staff is fine with mediocrity
I'd guarantee that the staff wants to win worse than we want them to win
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Again, who is disputing that they want to win? I see this all the time -- "he wants to win so he clearly will make decisions that he thinks give him the best chance to succeed and keep his job." No one is suggesting he that wants to do a crappy job. We are saying that he IS doing a crappy job.
 
BCSooners said:
Am I wrong thinking that this type of $$$ being thrown around can't last? I just don't see how donors can keep spending this type of money just to see their college field a team.
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Agreed. Donating to build a facility forever (often with naming recognition) is vastly different than paying some mercenary for 1 season. And it is prolly AT LEAST 50% that the player will portal again away at some point too. Its a joke. It will be funny when viewers quit caring/watching (like me even) and the profits dry up and the donors quit donating for rentals and the sports collapses from its own weight.
 
hoopsaustin said:
Agreed. Donating to build a facility forever (often with naming recognition) is vastly different than paying some mercenary for 1 season. And it is prolly AT LEAST 50% that the player will portal again away at some point too. Its a joke. It will be funny when viewers quit caring/watching (like me even) and the profits dry up and the donors quit donating for rentals and the sports collapses from its own weight.
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Ratings are only going up since NIL started. For every person who quits watching (or threatens to quit), many more are jumping on board.
 
WichitaSooner said:
Again, who is disputing that they want to win? I see this all the time -- "he wants to win so he clearly will make decisions that he thinks give him the best chance to succeed and keep his job." No one is suggesting he that wants to do a crappy job. We are saying that he IS doing a crappy job.
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There are those basically calling the staff out as lazy and not putting in the work needed...all because it isn't blasted over social media.
To me that is equivelent of saying he doesn't really care about winning or doing a good job
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
There are those basically calling the staff out as lazy and not putting in the work needed...all because it isn't blasted over social media.
To me that is equivelent of saying he doesn't really care about winning or doing a good job
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I read that more as people questioning whether he is doing an effective job of reaching out to players and suggesting that he might not be in tune with the best way to recruit the portal.
 
hoopsaustin said:
Agreed. Donating to build a facility forever (often with naming recognition) is vastly different than paying some mercenary for 1 season. And it is prolly AT LEAST 50% that the player will portal again away at some point too. Its a joke. It will be funny when viewers quit caring/watching (like me even) and the profits dry up and the donors quit donating for rentals and the sports collapses from its own weight.
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Put me in the bucket of it can't last. For a variety of reasons. Something will give eventually. I'm just not sure when that eventually is.

Maybe it'll take the SEC/Big 10 breaking away and coming up with their own rules and limits. Maybe donors will eventually get tired of it. Maybe that donor money being steered towards the kids instead of the program/infrastructure will eventually become a problem. But it will shift at some point.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
correlation without causation...or whatever the phrase is.

There isn't really a sound reason of what NIL has to do with viewership
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But there is absolutely NO evidence that the popularity of college sports is decreasing, even though some people don't like NIL or the portal.
 
WichitaSooner said:
But you contribute so much to the board, how can I possibly not reply to such brilliance?

As for Garrison -- funny how many times the narrative changes. I thought OSU was one of the only places people would admit has worse NIL than us. Now money is being tossed in as possible reason we may lose him?
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You contribute nothing but tears. Lots of them.
It was said from the beginning that Garrison wants to stay in Stillwater. No one "tossed out" money being the reason PM doesn't get him.
Keep shedding those tears.
 
WichitaSooner said:
But there is absolutely NO evidence that the popularity of college sports is decreasing, even though some people don't like NIL or the portal.
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Not yet. Just a matter of time though.
It might be pretty hard to tell though as the casuals will still watch and the die bards will become casuals.

I’m not sure how ratings work either but there are definitely a lot more options for watching games now as well. So that could explain higher numbers.
 
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