MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

Boom Soon said:
Porter Moser is not lazy. I’m sure he is working his tail off. The dude is just in over his head.

Let’s keep perspective here.
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Or, he is simply lacking in funding/support. One could argue that he essentially won the recruiting battles on Scott, Pedulla and the HS post that committed to Providence, but ended up losing all of those due to simply being outbid. Is that on PM?? I'm not saying PM has done everything correctly, but TBF, Scott was ours until SJ came up with a last second NIL offer that he couldn't turn down. If I'm PM...I'm tired of that being the reason for losing recruits. Is NIL the case in every situation? No...but with those 3, it seems to be the main driver.
 
WichitaSooner said:
So, in order, my preference would be:

1 (a). Make the tourney and be pleasantly surprised that Moser got the job done and another school comes in and hires moser for their program and pays OU our buyout
1(b). Make the tourney and be pleasantly surprised that Moser got the job done
2.) Go something like 15-17 and have Joe make the move the day after we get eliminated from the SEC tourney
3.) Go 19-13, miss the tourney, and endure another season of Moser.
4.) Go something like 15-17 and and endure another season of Moser, because we wont pay the buyout...
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Fixed it for you.

He aint the guy for us, unless its a total 180 - like a 27-30 win, sec title, sweet 16 season, even then id be hesitant to keep him based on his body of work. And i would figuratively die if JC extended his contract..
 
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BCSooners said:
That's my thought. I think KU, UK, ect. will keep pumping $$ into basketball, but I don't see football schools pumping in $3-4 mil a year on basketball. Others have said they just move the money around, which makes sense and I believe them. I just have a hard time grasping the numbers the players are getting.
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My opinion is if you want to be a big football program, it will be at the expense of every other program (especially non-revenue). In the longer term, perhaps programs can be elite in football and basketball but I would imagine that that would be at the expense of all non-rev sports. Yes, I understand that football and basketball would have to split from the ncaa in that scenario, which is just a matter of time in my opinion.
 
MJSooner said:
Guess I'm wired differently.

I cannot imagine any scenario my preference would be for OU basketball to lose more games than they win, or root for failure more than success. I would trade all future softball, golf, and gymnastic championships, and even a football NC, for one chance to hoist the NC trophy while listening to One Shining Moment.

And BTW, in scenario 3, I think Moser would be gone. Deservedly so. But I would never root for that as it would mean missing the tourney.
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I would give multiple football 'ships for a bball batty. Im bball first through and through, or i was before the con that is "NIL"
 
daqman said:
What is "Porter's job"?
If Garrison wants to stay close to home, Moser can't move the campus closer to Garrison's home.
If he wants $$$, Moser can't write a check that won't clear.
So what do you want PM to do?
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Get a real alternative starting 5 big man for the first time in his career at OU (no offense to Groves bc he was close..).
 
hoopsaustin said:
Fixed it for you.

He aint the guy for us, unless its a total 180 - like a 27-30 win, sec title, sweet 16 season, even then id be hesitant to keep him based on his body of work. And i would figuratively die if JC extended his contract..
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Like this very much!
 
How much are these numbers getting inflated? Like are we really giving Elvis 300k, or going to give Scott? I mean there was the rumored 1.4 mill to roach but he said on twitter it wasn't even close or true.
 
Red.Tornado said:
How much are these numbers getting inflated? Like are we really giving Elvis 300k, or going to give Scott? I mean there was the rumored 1.4 mill to roach but he said on twitter it wasn't even close or true.
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I think it is like a Blevins' 80% BS imo.

300k jobs dont just fall out of the sky. Esp that quickly after previously being only the price of full ride scholarships (Unless the schools/collectives are going to start selling and making the monies back from ACTUALLY selling/using their "NILs" and having that stuff in contract). Just my .02
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Well I wasn't addressing you so and I never said having a list is the same as doing a good job

1. But if anyone thinks that the only activity the coaches are doing is visible on social media, I think that is crazy.
2. And it is crazy to think a d1 coaching staff doesn't have more resources and hours put into forming this roster than fans on a message board.
3. And it is crazy to think the staff is fine with mediocrity
4. I'd guarantee that the staff wants to win worse than we want them to win
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Sounds like you're aiming this at myself or maybe @TEvans4Three

I'm not one to argue all too much, lol.

But yeah, duh.

1. This staff is anti-social media. Staunchly. Or anti-using social media in a way that's visible to us. I know they're recruiting mostly out of our sight. Instead of having public excitement, we're stuck with guys like Glibert DMing Bob P or we're stuck with Trilly when he has anything in regards to an OU target. Yay and that's kind of the point too. If we can't share in the excitement, or be allowed to know (some of) what they're doing, accusations of doing a poor job will be prevalent (based on what is known - they're getting their asses kicked right now).

On the topic of social media....DOES IT HURT THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM? Very little (from what I can tell). DOES IT HELP THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM? Very much so. I'd argue that it's a very critical component of their program. I don't get why the MBB staff is against it but you know, it's their funeral, so to speak.

2. Do you think I'm serious when I say I could do better? Heck no. Could I help? Maybe, maybe not. I couldn't be a college head coach, I know that. Could I sit in an office, help keep things organized, and maybe help in some way? IDK, probably a little. My point with that talk is.....what they've been doing for 3+ years now hasn't worked well (or fully). This cycle, so far, any of us could have landed Elvis (it was more about the OU/SEC brand than anything....his next choice was likely Charleston) and struck out on Overton, Pedulla, Scott, and Garrison (not over but you know what's going to happen). And let's be realistic here, just because a dude is working at OU officially, it doesn't 100% make him a better basketball mind than some of us (not saying myself, speaking in general terms). There are God-awful GAs, coaches, staffers all over the place that are only coaching because they can't do much else. Some couldn't scout or coach their way out of a paper bag. I'm not talking about Moser here. Moser knows the damn game. Is every OU coach/staffer elite at what they do? I'd argue no and I've argued that OU needs a GM, for a reason.

3/4. Do I think the coaches want to win? Yes. Moser is a fiery competitor. That much is evident by his visible personality. All we have to do is watch one presser. Do I think they know how to win at this level (B12 now SEC)? No. For 3+ years, what Moser has shown me is he can't construct a roster, and keep them, that will get to the tournament. It's not a question on intentionally having dysfunction but there's clearly dysfunction. I've said this a ton but I think Moser is better mid major HC and roster assembler. He can't win at the high major level enough and he doesn't know how to assemble the right kind of roster....so yes, Moser wants to win but his stubbornness or poor methods end up winning out in the long run.
 
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hoopsaustin said:
Thus far...
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I doubt anyone is going to change other side’s mind in the Portal Thread but people have said the same things for decades about sports regarding franchise relocation, free agency, sex scandals, mythical national champions, conference expansion whatever. It continues to grow or at least occupy a privileged position in the American entertainment landscape.

America loves sports, both professional and college. I’d argue college is maybe even more insulated since thousands of people spend their formative years on a campus. Maybe NIL is fundamentally different than the past “crises” but seems like the same old moral panic.
 
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