MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

[mict085]

I’m big on second chances. Kids make mistakes, sometimes really bad ones.

I’d put him on a short leash if after spending some time with him and seeing if he seems sincere

I think it’d be worth our due diligence but you better turn over every rock and know everything. No surprises. Plus, you could get him cheap.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I’m big on second chances. Kids make mistakes, sometimes really bad ones.

I’d put him on a short leash if after spending some time with him and seeing if he seems sincere

Every kid can seem sincere during a short visit to campus. And some are, no doubt. But I'm sure KU thought Arterio Morris was sincere, and he was barely on campus before getting in much more serious trouble. I would draw a hard line as a coach and not consider any player who had been convicted or pled guilty to any physical violence against a woman. Not saying people shouldn't get to be productive members of society, but getting paid/a scholarship to represent a school is entirely different.

 

[MJSooner]

If it weren't for his domestic violence, this is the juco kid you'd want....but yeah, not going to be someone you can add. Former 5 star. Leads juco in scoring.



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Second in scoring, an Okie from Muskogee. Has offers from Siena, Southern Indiana, San Jose State, and Prairie View. He should take the San Jose State offer if it's still valid. Siena isn't...fired coach. Oral Roberts should be beating his door down...maybe even Tulsa.

And this goes to my earlier point... if a kid who is talented at that level is in a JUCO in 2024, it's not because someone missed him or didn't scout JUCOs. It's because he had an issue in his past- grades, criminal, attitude, etc.- that kept him from a prep school<college or small school<D1 portal.

I suppose you might find one or two diamond in the roughs in JUCOs, but you probably can find 10x that many, or more, spending the same amount of energy in the portal.

Guarantee if word got out that our staff was spending time scouting JUCOs and were missing on commits from the portal, there is a vocal group who would want them fired.

 

[TEvans4Three]

And this goes to my earlier point... if a kid who is talented at that level is in a JUCO in 2024, it's not because someone missed him or didn't scout JUCOs. It's because he had an issue in his past- grades, criminal, attitude, etc.- that kept him from a prep school<college or small school<D1 portal.

I suppose you might find one or two diamond in the roughs in JUCOs, but you probably can find 10x that many, or more, spending the same amount of energy in the portal.

Guarantee if word got out that our staff was spending time scouting JUCOs and were missing on commits from the portal, there is a vocal group who would want them fired.

I might look into the JUCO success either tonight or tomorrow.

Perhaps looking at the top 25 JUCO prospects from last year and seeing how they did this year for comparison.

 

[MJSooner]

I might look into the JUCO success either tonight or tomorrow.

Perhaps looking at the top 25 JUCO prospects from last year and seeing how they did this year for comparison.

I know you are the research and stat king who would have more evidence than my anecdotal reporting, but there aren't many since NIL and free transfers.

There have been a handful or a few that have done okay at the P6 D1 level but most of the JUCO transfers are going to mid-majors or small colleges, or their best success is their second transfer from JUCO from the transfer portal. Like Waldo. Tyron Grant-Foster who started at JUCO, went to KU and was one of the stars at GCU. But they went to D1 and it was their second stop were they flourished. Alondes Williams is the perfect example.

Kedrian Johnson to WVA comes to mind as a JUCO that did well. But plenty of flops too. We should know as Maewin was a top 5 JUCO out of Navarro.

Those are just a sampling of the top of my head. But the point is still the same- scouting JUCOs is not going to find the next Larry Johnson or Mookie Blaylock. Crap, I doubt it even finds the next Corey Brewer or Quannas White. That level of player is being found in the portal 99% of the time. That is where the coaches can be more efficient.

 

[Eielson]

Domestic violence? Hard pass.

You want good culture?

 

[TEvans4Three]

I know you are the research and stat king who would have more evidence than my anecdotal reporting, but there aren't many since NIL and free transfers.

There have been a handful or a few that have done okay at the P6 D1 level but most of the JUCO transfers are going to mid-majors or small colleges, or their best success is their second transfer from JUCO from the transfer portal. Like Waldo. Tyron Grant-Foster who started at JUCO, went to KU and was one of the stars at GCU. But they went to D1 and it was their second stop were they flourished. Alondes Williams is the perfect example.

Kedrian Johnson to WVA comes to mind as a JUCO that did well. But plenty of flops too. We should know as Maewin was a top 5 JUCO out of Navarro.

Those are just a sampling of the top of my head. But the point is still the same- scouting JUCOs is not going to find the next Larry Johnson or Mookie Blaylock. Crap, I doubt it even finds the next Corey Brewer or Quannas White. That level of player is being found in the portal 99% of the time. That is where the coaches can be more efficient.

I am so sorry everyone for what is about to transpire.

I have compiled the Top50 2023 JUCO players' stats for this year based on their D-I results.

A few things to note before looking at the list:
-This list is from JUCOrecruiting.com
-2022 had 25 players from the Top50 NOT go D-I (Would have made my night so much easier)
-2024 has 37 uncommitted to D-I schools, that could change
-2023 had all but 1 go D-I in the Top100. More an exception than a rule I would think
-Please note the schools that are getting these guys as well, not many Power5 at all

Here is the list and I will post my excel screenshot. (Green players being potential, Yellow meh, unmarked...wouldn't xtweet at/contact)

RANKING

NAME

HT.

PO.

SCHOOL

COMMITTED

G

GS

PPG

RPG

APG

FG%

FG3%

FT%

eFG%

PER

W/S

Notes

Year

1

Curt Lewis

6'5

G

John A Logan

Missouri

23​

2​

2​

1.4​

0.6​

29.3​

23.3​

54.5​

35.3​

7.7​

0​

JR

2

Christian Coleman

6'9

F

South Plains

UAB

35​

7​

7.7​

4.5​

0.5​

54.6​

62.5​

54.6​

18.1​

1.9​

JR

3

Trey Fort

6'4

G

Howard

Mississippi St

20​

7​

5​

1.8​

0.5​

38.2​

34.9​

64.3​

50.6​

14.3​

0.6​

JR

4

Alejandro Vasquez

6'4

G

Salt Lake CC

UAB

34​

25​

11.1​

3.4​

1.1​

44​

39.4​

80.9​

50.8​

17.9​

2.4​

JR

5

Addison Patterson

6'6

G

Tallahassee CC

Northwestern St

Not on NW St, last played 2020

6

Jaquan Scott

6'8

F

Salt Lake CC

Mississippi St

11​

0​

1.2​

1.5​

0.4​

40​

0​

20​

40​

6.2​

0​

JR

7

Daveon Thomas

6'2

G

Kilgore

Cincinnatti

Not Found in SR-DB

8

Malachi Davis

6'4

G

Tallahassee

Arizona St

7​

0​

0.6​

0.3​

0​

16.7​

0​

100​

16.7​

-11.9​

-0.2​

JR

9

Yaxel Lendeborg

6'9

C

Arizona Western

UAB

35​

31​

13.8​

10.6​

2.1​

51.3​

33.3​

80​

53.3​

26.1​

5.1​

JR

10

Kasean Pryor

6'10

F

Northwest Florida

South Florida

32​

21​

13​

7.9​

1.8​

44.7​

35.2​

81.5​

51​

23.1​

4.1​

29 pts v. Tulsa in last game

JR

11

Chad Baker-Mazara

6'6

G

Northwest Florida

Auburn

12

Robert Whaley

6'5

F

CSI

UNLV

35​

9​

10​

3.7​

2.2​

45.2​

41.8​

87.6​

53.5​

21.1​

4.1​

Started last 9 games of the year

JR

13

Jadrian Tracey

6'6

G

Florida Southwestern

Oregon

36​

22​

7.6​

3.6​

1.8​

41.5​

35.9​

77.8​

49.2​

11​

1.8​

Temu Soares

JR

14

Melvin Council Jr

6'5

G

Monroe

Wagner

33​

27​

14.9​

5.7​

3.5​

38.6​

26.5​

74.8​

41.9​

16.8​

3.3​

WAGNER

JR

15

Jason Edwards

6'2

G

Dodge City

North Texas

34​

22​

19.1​

2.4​

1.4​

42.5​

35​

80.7​

50.8​

19.2​

4.1​

Solid last 5 games for UNT

SO

16

Greg Gordon

6'5

G

Dyersburg St

Iona

24​

24​

16​

7.3​

1.3​

54.8​

32.6​

51.6​

57.1​

29.5​

2.9​

Injury, then leaving Iona

JR

17

Marcus Hill

6'2

G

Southern Union

Bowling Green

34​

34​

20.5​

5​

2.6​

44.3​

28.9​

74​

46.6​

19.3​

3.9​

JR

18

Nate Meithof

6'5

F

CSI

Oregon St

No Stats

19

Caleb Johnson

6'5

G

Vincinnes

Jacksonville St

28​

8​

4.8​

2.3​

0.7​

42.5​

16.7​

76.7​

44.7​

13.2​

1.3​

JR

20

Dajion Humphrey

6'4

G

Garden City

Bowling Green

32​

13​

5.7​

2.1​

0.9​

34.5​

31.5​

70.5​

44.9​

6.9​

1.1​

SR

21

Blake Butler

6'5

G

East Mississippi

Louisiana

15​

0​

6.1​

2.1​

0.7​

41.3​

36.8​

66.7​

50.7​

13.8​

0.6​

JR

22

Dominique Daniels

5'9

G

San Bernadino Valley

Cal Baptist

21​

21​

19.2​

1.5​

2.9​

40​

36.3​

84.5​

48.8​

18.5​

2.8​

Cal Baptist

23

Aundre Polk

6'9

F

Garden City

Oakland

10​

0​

0.6​

0.7​

0​

28.6​

100​

28.6​

-1.7​

0​

JR

24

Malek Abdelgowad

6'10

C

South Plains

Murray State

19​

0​

3.5​

2.7​

0.3​

51​

78.9​

51​

14​

0.6​

JR

25

Corey Camper JR

6'4

G

Tyler

UTEP

34​

24​

8.4​

2.6​

1.3​

40.6​

31.1​

71.2​

47​

10.7​

2.1​

26

Keyondre Young

6'9

F

Triton

DePaul

16​

0​

3​

1.6​

0.2​

29.4​

23.3​

78.6​

36.3​

6.9​

-0.2​

JR

27

Isaiah Moses

6'

G

CSI

UC Riverside

33​

30​

12.2​

2.9​

3.8​

39.9​

32.9​

84.6​

47.5​

14.7​

2.2​

JR

28

Enoch Kalambay

6'5

G

Indian Hills

WKU

34​

8​

6.2​

4.6​

1.2​

49.7​

22.2​

66.7​

51​

13.7​

1.8​

JR

29

Kiree Huie

6'9

C

Odessa

Idaho St

34​

32​

11.3​

5.8​

0.7​

53.6​

0​

58.7​

53.6​

19.1​

2.4​

IDAHO ST - Yaya

JR

30

Tyson Brown

6'9

C

Florida Southwestern

Rhode Island

32​

16​

4.3​

4.1​

0.3​

57.3​

55.1​

57.3​

14.7​

1.1​

JR

31

Jaden Harris

6'2

G

South Plains

East Tennessee State

32​

21​

7.3​

2.7​

0.8​

37.3​

36.7​

81.6​

45.9​

8.6​

0.8​

JR

32

Lado Laku

6'10

C

Indian Hills

Portland State

29​

5​

2.2​

2.5​

0​

65.8​

75​

65.8​

19.1​

0.9​

JR

33

Always Wright

6'3

G

NEO A&M

Rhode Island

24​

4​

2.2​

1.4​

1.9​

36.5​

31.8​

61.5​

43.3​

5.8​

0.1​

Nice Name

SO

34

Keonte Jones

6'5

G

Midland

CSUN

34​

31​

11.4​

6.9​

2.2​

53.6​

33.3​

64.6​

56.3​

19.4​

4​

JR

35

Dozier Kintavious

6'1

G

Gadsden St

Grambling St

36​

30​

13​

3​

1​

44.6​

32.2​

76.2​

49.7​

18.4​

2.8​

JR

36

Tuburu Naivalurua

6'7

F

Garden City

Oakland

35​

1​

3.3​

3.3​

0.3​

50.5​

100​

50​

51.1​

16.3​

1.3​

JR

37

Aaron Franklin

6'5

F

Hutchinson

Milwaukee

20​

6​

4.1​

3.8​

0.6​

56.5​

42.1​

66.7​

62.9​

13.3​

0.8​

SO

38

Doug Young

6'1

G

Midland

Quinnipiac

34​

0​

6.3​

1.5​

1.2​

38.3​

35.3​

76.5​

45.6​

9.5​

0.8​

JR

39

Carlous Williams

6'7

F

Pearl River

Tulsa

31​

25​

5.1​

4.2​

0.8​

47.4​

32.3​

45.8​

55.3​

7.7​

1.1​

JR

40

KJ Debrick

6'10

C

John A Logan

Cleveland St

5​

0​

4.4​

4.6​

0.6​

57.1​

0​

85.7​

57.1​

23.2​

0.3​

Awful Name

JR

41

Oscar Cluff

6'9

C

Cochise

Washington St

35​

23​

7​

4.4​

1.2​

53.8​

100​

66​

54.1​

17.5​

2.5​

JR

42

Chris Okeke

6'9

C

Tallahassee

FIU

Not Found in SR-DB

43

Koron Davis

6'7

G

LA Southwest

Louisville

No Stats

44

Mykel Robinson

6'7

F

Ranger

Fresno St

No Stats

45

Bradley Douglas

6'2

G

Florida Southwestern

UALR

34​

14​

9.9​

3.4​

2.5​

41.5​

36.7​

68.6​

50​

14.2​

2.2​

JR

46

Don McHenry

6'2

G

Indian Hills

WKU

34​

34​

15.1​

3.4​

2.4​

46.1​

36.2​

85.9​

51.7​

17.6​

3.3​

Needs to cut hair

JR

47

Julian Mackey

6'4

G

NEO A&M

Georgia State

27​

0​

5​

1.5​

0.9​

34.9​

26.4​

83.9​

42.2​

13.2​

0.6​

JR

48

Jamal West Jr.

6'5

F

Clarendon

Nicholls St

34​

33​

13.4​

7.4​

2.1​

50.3​

18.5​

69.1​

51.1​

17.5​

2.9​

NICHOLLS ST

JR

49

Quimari Peterson

6'1

G

John A Logan

ETSU

35​

35​

13.5​

4.5​

3.7​

39.3​

28.6​

71.6​

43.5​

16.3​

3​

8 of 24 for his 27 pt game

JR

50

Ismail Habib

6'1

G

South Plains

Portland St

28​

25​

9​

2.4​

2.8​

36.9​

36.6​

75​

47.6​

10.6​

1.4​

SO

 

[StoopsBros]

Been such a slow day.

 

[Seymore Cox]

I don't know that I think Garrison is THAT good on defense (yet). But I'm certainly not saying he isn't or can't be. He was a freshman, so there is some project-ability there.

We'll see in time.

I agree. The guy from UCF destroyed him in the last OSU game. However he’s better than OU’s bigs.

 

[Seymore Cox]

Yeah, Dickinson's offense makes that a different scenario all together.

Like you said, I see both sides of it, just not sure what Garrison's true ceiling is, especially offensively. And not sure PM's offense will take advantage of what he does well.

Bill Self doesn’t like coaching Dickinson. I bet he’d take Garrison over a soft player like Dickinson, even tho Dickinson is 3 times a better scorer.

 

[TEvans4Three]

One thing I would like to make clear on the stats I posted above.

I think there are a few diamonds in the rough that can be good fillers...however, if we are not evaluating the 1000s of players in the portal from solid programs and proven track record and take a JUCO as a first priority, our coaching staff has failed in every aspect of evaluation.

You take a P5/G5 guy over a JUCO guy. JUCO is a last resort option.

In no sane world is anyone taking a JUCO prospect over Garrison. It should never happen at a team wanting to be a Top-25 program.

Things were different pre-portal. No one is sitting a season out anymore. That was a big reason for JUCO

 

[okcsportsfan]

what are the chances they get Garrison? Does the OSU hire move the needle?

 

[Seymore Cox]

One thing I would like to make clear on the stats I posted above.

I think there are a few diamonds in the rough that can be good fillers...however, if we are not evaluating the 1000s of players in the portal from solid programs and proven track record and take a JUCO as a first priority, our coaching staff has failed in every aspect of evaluation.

You take a P5/G5 guy over a JUCO guy. JUCO is a last resort option.

In no sane world is anyone taking a JUCO prospect over Garrison. It should never happen at a team wanting to be a Top-25 program.

Things were different pre-portal. No one is sitting a season out anymore. That was a big reason for JUCO

Juco is making a sight comeback.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Juco is making a sight comeback.

For who? UAB, USF, North Texas, Bowling Green, and WKU...sure.

JUCO guys making an impact at P5 schools?

 

[StoopsBros]

So far, nothing points to OU recruiting Northern Colorado player Saint Thomas, the former Loyola player. Should OU? Maybe, I love the kid's game. Would be a great replacement for Oweh.

Anyway, he might be a package deal, I'm not sure, but his girlfriend is in the portal. I can't say I've watched one second of Hannah's games but her stats are pretty good.

Hannah Simental - Colorado State Rams Guard - ESPN

View the profile of Colorado State Rams Guard Hannah Simental on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

www.espn.com

 

[StoopsBros]

The combo of who's recruiting Ivy-Curry and Pedulla being in the portal...has me thinking OU + Ivy-Curry is probably trending down. Not ready to say it's officially over but close.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Juco is making a sight comeback.

For who? UAB, USF, North Texas, Bowling Green, and WKU...sure.

JUCO guys making an impact at P5 schools?

For kicks and giggles. I took 4 conferences, went with the top 6 teams of each and 7 deep. These are all the JUCO guys for those schools and where they are:

Team	Conf	How Many?	When?	Who?
Uconn	Big East	0​
Marquette	Big East	0​
Creighton	Big East	0​
Seton Hall	Big East	0​
St John's	Big East	0​
Providence	Big East	0​
Houston	Big12	0​
Iowa St	Big12	0​
Baylor	Big12	0​
Texas Tech	Big12	0​
BYU	Big12	1​	19-20	2nd, Spencer Johnson
Kansas	Big12	0​
Tennessee	SEC	0​
Auburn	SEC	1​	22-23	3rd, Chad Baker-Mazara
South Carolina	SEC	0​
Kentucky	SEC	0​
Alabama	SEC	1​	21-22	6th, Nick Pringle
Florida	SEC	0​
North Carolina	ACC	0​
Duke	ACC	0​
Virginia	ACC	0​
Pittsburgh	ACC	1​	21-22	7th, Federicko Federicko
Clemson	ACC	0​
Wake Forest	ACC	0​

 

[Goldberg719]

So far, nothing points to OU recruiting Northern Colorado player Saint Thomas, the former Loyola player. Should OU? Maybe, I love the kid's game. Would be a great replacement for Oweh.

Anyway, he might be a package deal, I'm not sure, but his girlfriend is in the portal. I can't say I've watched one second of Hannah's games but her stats are pretty good.

Hannah Simental - Colorado State Rams Guard - ESPN

View the profile of Colorado State Rams Guard Hannah Simental on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

www.espn.com

You really are a stalker, sheesh.

 

[StoopsBros]

 

[BoulderSooner]

getting interesting