MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

SwitzersBoys said:
If you don't think we are losing kids to NIL, you are kidding yourself. We are losing out on HS kids, transfers, and current players to better NIL deals every year. I agree that Porter gets some of them blame, but it doesn't matter who's coaching until the NIL situation improves.
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We are not losing current players to much better NIL deals.

Who? North Texas? Georgia Tech? Wichita State? VCU? George Washington (Schroder shot 7.7% from three this year, LOL).

When is the last time OU lost a transfer to a better school? You have to go back to Manek. Hill took the UNLV bag. That's it. You can't spin that.
 
BoulderSooner said:
likely true 2 years ok when Manek played there ..

last year and this Bacot was close to 1 mil
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You don't know what Bacot is getting, but what we do know is that most of his NIL is from outside/third party partnerships. And I doubt UNC set all of those up for him either. Again, that is the way NIL is supposed to work. Not who can collect the most cash to hand over to players for doing absolutely nothing other than playing basketball at their favorite school.
 
skyvue said:
I don't know who sent out the talking points, but we are reading the same thing over and over.

The football-centric fan base, the "shoddy" arena--these are nothing new. NIL definitely has had an impact but I've yet to see anyone say definitively how much OU has in this area (no disrespect to rumor mongers on Twitter and Discord--I'm sure they serve a very important purpose). Some continue to insist that we're not just a bit behind in NIL but disastrously so. And yet Moser keeps attracting players to Norman and they keep leaving within a season or two.

If our NIL is that bad, not to mention our arena, our fan base and our AD, how did Moser convince those guys to sign with us in the first place? Something doesn't make sense here. I'm not saying we have five-star talent, but we'd have been better if Gibson, Harkless, Hill and, as it turns out, Mason had stayed. We could have used Noland off the bench this season (I know, I know--but he had a decent season). We'd have been a helluva lot better if Moser had convinced two or three more guys to stay his first time around. Many have written off Oweh and Uzan, but what if they just weren't well-coached?

In short, when the heck is Moser responsible for any of this? Other teams aren't losing players at the rate we are. And we're not seeing significant growth (see: Oweh, Uzan) in our guys before they invariably leave.

Are there other factors at play? Yes, undeniably so. But Moser has yet to get the most out of a team and every spring guys cut and run, and very few of them--if any--are getting monster deals elsewhere. But the talking-points crowd keep letting Moser off the hook, blaming everything and everyone but him.

He was hired to do a job and he knew what he was getting into. He knew about the arena, he knew about the fanbase, he knew about the focus on football. The portal and NIL are challenges faced by every other coach at every other university. No one's expecting miracles but he can't even get us in the freaking tournament.

But sure--the arena, the fans, Joe C, the football team, the portal, NIL. They're all keeping a great coach down. We're lucky to have him.
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And the agenda on that handful of posters is also similar- get rid of Moser- NOW- and our problems will be solved and we'll get back into the tournament and start having success. We know because we had good coaches, all much better than Moser, who did it before. Every. Single. Post. On every thread. Repeats the same theme.

Look, I am not Moser's biggest fan. I've made my criticisms on this board and others. I do like a lot about him and want him to succeed, but if Joe C had made a change right at the end of the season, I wouldn't have been upset. But that may not be a fix as my biggest issue with the FIRE MOSER crowd is they fail to recognize the real problem.

Sure, a better coach could have squeezed out a few more wins, maybe even made the tournament, possibly even winning a game. But the real problem with the state of our program is we're not getting a "better coach", or at least keeping him, until our admin, BMDs, AD, and University president decide to commit, actually go all-in, to the basketball program. On NIL. On an arena. On student involvement. On butts in the seats. On marketing. On fan and donor relations. On scheduling. On staff. On gameday experience. ALL THE ABOVE. Until we get to that point, we will keep flirting with success, maybe making the tournament here and there, even possibly a run to the Sweet 16.. but the success of the mid-'80s, or early 2000s, will only be a part of our history. Further and further removed.

Too many fans, IMO, think simply hiring a better coach will bring OU back to the basketball glory days. But college basketball changed in 2021. It sucks, but it's the world we play. Additionally, until the people making decisions realize this and adapt, we will continue to fight to fall to mediocrity and disappoint the fans.

And the portal and supporting the portal IS a big part of that. Whether or not we like it, want to admit it, or think it's right. If you want to be a fan, just have to accept it.
 
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MJSooner said:
And the agenda on that handful of posters is also similar- get rid of Moser- NOW- and our problems will be solved and we'll get back into the tournament and start having success. We know because we had good coaches, all much better than Moser, who did it before. Every. Single. Post. On every thread. Repeats the same theme.

Look, I am not Moser's biggest fan. I've made my criticisms on this board and others. I like some things about him and want him to succeed, but if Joe C had made a change right at the end of the season, I wouldn't have been upset. But that may not be a fix as my biggest issue with the FIRE MOSER crowd is they fail to recognize the real problem.

Sure, a better coach could have squeezed out a few more wins, maybe even made the tournament, possibly even winning a game. But the real problem with the state of our program is we're not getting a "better coach", or at least keeping him, until our admin, BMDs, AD, and University president decide to commit, actually go all-in, to the basketball program. On NIL. On an arena. On student involvement. On butts in the seats. On marketing. On fan and donor relations. On scheduling. On staff. On gameday experience. ALL THE ABOVE. Until we get to that point, we will keep flirting with success, maybe making the tournament here and there, even possibly a run to the Sweet 16.. but the success of the mid-'80s, or early 2000s, will only be a part of our history. Further and further removed.

Too many fans, IMO, think simply hiring a better coach will bring OU back to the basketball glory days. But college basketball changed in 2021. It sucks, but it's the world we play. Additionally, until the people making decisions realize this and adapt, we will continue to fight to fall to mediocrity and disappoint the fans.

And the portal and supporting the portal IS a big part of that.
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This is correct.

I'm not Porter's biggest fan. I was skeptical when he was hired. But as long as he's coaching with an OU logo on his shirt, I want him to succeed. He's our coach until he's not.

There are structural issues that go beyond the coach. Are there better coaches? Yes. We could have won a few more games in the past three years and made a couple of tournaments. Are there worse coaches? For sure.

But as this post so correctly states, the world changed in 2021 for revenue sports. We've struggled to adapt in football, and we're struggling even more to adapt in men's basketball.
 
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For those thinking that the transfer rule will be reigned in, the opposite is likely to happen. The proposed rule that the NCAA council will vote on next week would actually allow unlimited transfers without having to sit out a season.
 
StoopsBros said:
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was at KSU prior to transferring to USF.

Like how strong he goes to the rim- AND finishes. That would be a nice change. LOL. Also has good vision in the paint to dish to the cutters. Nice for a wing.

Stats show he elevated his 3PT% to 39% on 5.5 attempts per game. Gets to the line for 3 attempts per game and improved to 80% last year.

A good pick up if we can reel him in, and good size if Pedulla is at the point.
 
WTSooner said:
Again, we aren't losing guys because of NIL. The guys we lost we're losing for one of the following reasons:

1. Don't like Moser or the staff.
2. Don't feel like they are getting developed.
3. Didn't develop and got pushed out or to the bench.

I don't think we've lost a single player that Moser and OU just really didn't want to lose. That includes JM this year.
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Here is my issue...and this is no knock on you because I'm not trying to argue....but you already have it on your mind and decided that every guy leaving is leaving because they dislike Moser and/or he isn't "developing" them.. NIL isn't a factor in your mind. I think NIL is more of a factor in us losing out on kids (portal and high school) than it is on guys leaving here though.

In your mind NIL and the ability to transfer out whenever you like can't possibly be a factor. Your dislike for Moser is at the forefront of every thought and every transfer.


I don't disagree with every thought you have and I definitely believe some of that could be a factor for SOME guys. It's just natural that there are going to be a couple of guys on every team that are unhappy. It's like you working a corporate job....some guts are simply going to dislike the boss. But I fully believe that the portal PLUS NIL plays a factor for more guys than you think....I also think the AAU generation are quick to want things their way or they will just switch teams...its like that for these kids today on travel ball...that is filtering into college with the portal...now they can do it and $$ is involved too.

I think it's is a combination. I don't, in any way, think there are mass defections simply because of "winning" or "development"....if someone leaves here and averages 8 ppg more 6 months later somewhere else it isn't due to development..it is more likely just a better system/style fit....no development.

Moser can definitely do some things better though.
 
WTSooner said:
We are not losing current players to much better NIL deals.

Who? North Texas? Georgia Tech? Wichita State? VCU? George Washington (Schroder shot 7.7% from three this year, LOL).

When is the last time OU lost a transfer to a better school? You have to go back to Manek. Hill took the UNLV bag. That's it. You can't spin that.
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“Losing kids to NIL” is t just about who leaves your team. It’s about who doesn’t sign or who doesn’t even give OU a second thought
 
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