National Title Game was an Abomination and Emblamatic of All That's Wrong

[thebigabd]

It was unbelievably boring, thats for sure.

 

[Shooterms]

I've suffered permanent hearing loss in the "clank" frequency range.

 

[NormanPride]

This game sucked. College basketball is mediocre. Teams don't work on fundamentals.

If you want teams to develop a midrange jumper, start letting the bigs stand their ground a bit when a small guard runs at them and flails. No call there (or better yet call a charge) and the guard learns pretty quick to not run into that big man. So either don't call that foul when Kemba Walker runs into Lurch-the-white-giant and flails his arms in his best Dwyane Wade imitation, or call a carry when he runs full tilt at the basket and pushes the ball from the side. When they stopped doing that, basketball died.

 

[thebigabd]

If you want a mid-range jumper and want offense to flow more smoothly, create more space by extending the 3pt line a little more, add a charge circle, and give them 6 fouls instead of 5, and don't officiate the games so tightly.

Ive seen a teams best player pick up a foul or two by the 14-15 minute mark in the first half and have to sit for the entire freakin half! Anyone who watches college basketball see's this happen on an extremely regular basis.

Give them an extra foul, and this years "emphasis" should be on calling less fouls instead more fouls. Every year the refs have a new emphasis, something to call more often. How bout this, let them play basketball and call less fouls.

Add a freakin charge circle, extend the 3pt line to encourage a mid-range game and create more space, and there ya go.

 

[Section31]

This game sucked. College basketball is mediocre. Teams don't work on fundamentals.

If you want teams to develop a midrange jumper, start letting the bigs stand their ground a bit when a small guard runs at them and flails. No call there (or better yet call a charge) and the guard learns pretty quick to not run into that big man. So either don't call that foul when Kemba Walker runs into Lurch-the-white-giant and flails his arms in his best Dwyane Wade imitation, or call a carry when he runs full tilt at the basket and pushes the ball from the side. When they stopped doing that, basketball died.

:clap:clap

 

[WTSooner]

If you want a mid-range jumper and want offense to flow more smoothly, create more space by extending the 3pt line a little more, add a charge circle, and give them 6 fouls instead of 5, and don't officiate the games so tightly.

Ive seen a teams best player pick up a foul or two by the 14-15 minute mark in the first half and have to sit for the entire freakin half! Anyone who watches college basketball see's this happen on an extremely regular basis.

Give them an extra foul, and this years "emphasis" should be on calling less fouls instead more fouls. Every year the refs have a new emphasis, something to call more often. How bout this, let them play basketball and call less fouls.

Add a freakin charge circle, extend the 3pt line to encourage a mid-range game and create more space, and there ya go.

Go watch the NBA then. You just described it to a T.

 

[thebigabd]

Go watch the NBA then. You just described it to a T.

I do watch the NBA.

But, if you take NBA rules and floor spacing and apply it to the college game, it will make the college game better. Don't you want the college game to be better?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Horrible coaching by Brad Stevens.

Yes, coaches are responsible for shot selection.

BS. Butler has open shots but couldn't make them. And there weren't all 3s. They couldn't make anything. Wasn't about coaching.

 

[WTSooner]

I do watch the NBA.

But, if you take NBA rules and floor spacing and apply it to the college game, it will make the college game better. Don't you want the college game to be better?

That is your OPINION that it makes the college game better. I don't agree that it does.

Out of all your suggestions, the only one I might want to see the college game add would be the circle in the lane. And even that, I don't remember there being a ton of charges called under the hoop.

The just moved the 3 point line back. If you keep moving it back, it's going to hurt the game. These aren't pros playing. Most college players are just that, college players. At some point, you move the line back enough that 3 point shooting is ineffective for most players. I certainly don't want to see that.

And 6 fouls? Come on. The NBA gives six fouls in part b/c they play a longer game. 5 fouls is plenty for a 40 minute game. You don't want to see a star player sitting on the bench? Teach him to defend without fouling. Sure, sometimes there are bogus foul calls, but my guess is that more often then not, if a player is sitting, they deserve to be sitting.

Just b/c some fans want to see this midrange game that everybody talks about with such reverance, doesn't mean we all do. I see plenty of midrange game. The best player in last night's game is a great guard that doesn't shoot many 3's. He must be doing something right in the midrange game.

College basketball is not broke. There is more parity b/c of the one and dones, and some of those smaller schools have learned how to play at a pace that lets them compete against the studs. I say more power to them. Last night just happened to be a game between two teams that slow it down, work their offense, play above average defense, and happened to both be off the mark shooting. It happens. This time, it just happened in the NC game. Big deal.

 

[colston15]

I do watch the NBA.

But, if you take NBA rules and floor spacing and apply it to the college game, it will make the college game better. Don't you want the college game to be better?

No, I don't want to watch them play isolation basketball for 40 minutes.

NBA rules wouldn't make the college game better, it'd make it more like the pros.

If you want to make the college game better while at the same time improving pro basketball, make kids stay in college for three years. I can guarantee that would improve the product on both levels.

 

[WTSooner]

If you want to make the college game better while at the same time improving pro basketball, make kids stay in college for three years. I can guarantee that would improve the product on both levels.

While I agree it would improve basketball, I just don't see it being legal. You cannot tell people that they have to stay in college for so many year, forgoing an NBA paycheck. Right to work, right to earn a living, and all that jazz. I just don't see how they can get around that.

 

[colston15]

While I agree it would improve basketball, I just don't see it being legal. You cannot tell people that they have to stay in college for so many year, forgoing an NBA paycheck. Right to work, right to earn a living, and all that jazz. I just don't see how they can get around that.

Well they would have the option to skip college entirely, of course. But once they're in college, they stay for three years. Although clearly it's not illegal to make them go to school, the rule in place already does that.

That's what pisses me off about people who go on and on about how much better the NBA product is! Of course the NBA product is better! They have guys that should be starring in college playing in the NBDL.

The only thing the one and done rule does is give scouts a year to evaluate guys against top competition.

Guys like Josh Selby, Willie Warren and Avery Bradley aren't any more ready to be pros than you or I. If they stayed in college three years everyone would benefit, including Willie, Avery and Josh.

 

[thebigabd]

No, I don't want to watch them play isolation basketball for 40 minutes.

You realize that point guards in the NBA routinely collect double digit assists, right? The best passers in the world play in the NBA, and most play as a team better than any college team ever thought about playing.

Even big guys, shooting guards, and big scorers collect a bunch of assists because of the floor spacing and attention they receive. Sure, they score a lot, but these guys are team players.

People who think the NBA is just about iso and being selfish must not actually watch the games. These guys are unbelievably skilled and the floor spacing, charge circle, and other rules in place allow them to play really high quality basketball every game.

And 6 fouls? Come on. The NBA gives six fouls in part b/c they play a longer game. 5 fouls is plenty for a 40 minute game. You don't want to see a star player sitting on the bench? Teach him to defend without fouling.

Ive been watching basketball since 1995 and its pretty rare to not have to sit someone down for extended periods of time because they have 2 or 3 fouls, lol. Talk about killing the flow.

Out of all your suggestions, the only one I might want to see the college game add would be the circle in the lane. And even that, I don't remember there being a ton of charges called under the hoop.

You ever watched Texas A&M or OSU play a game? They take charges with their heads in the net about 5 times a game, lol. A lot of smaller teams do this team as well. They added the imaginary line, but it was pretty ineffective as one might imagine.

If you want to make the college game better while at the same time improving pro basketball, make kids stay in college for three years. I can guarantee that would improve the product on both levels.

No you can't, it would hurt the NBA. To these guys, basketball is their job. You cant deny a grown man the right to go work. Players who jump to the NBA have done just fine. The NBA wants the best young players. They have the people and system in process to develop talent a lot better than the college game can.

The NBA needs to do a better job of telling kids who have no chance that they have no chance. This would force them to Europe or to college.

College basketball is not broke.

I agree, but it could be a lot better.

 

[colston15]

You realize that point guards in the NBA routinely collect double digit assists, right? The best passers in the world play in the NBA, and most play as a team better than any college team ever thought about playing.

Even big guys, shooting guards, and big scorers collect a bunch of assists because of the floor spacing and attention they receive. Sure, they score a lot, but these guys are team players.

It's still isolation basketball. Heck, now that Sloan is gone i'm not sure there's a team besides the Lakers that runs a true offense.

 

[colston15]

No you can't, it would hurt the NBA. To these guys, basketball is their job. You cant deny a grown man the right to go work. Players who jump to the NBA have done just fine. The NBA wants the best young players. They have the people and system in process to develop talent a lot better than the college game can.

The NBA needs to do a better job of telling kids who have no chance that they have no chance. This would force them to Europe or to college.

So the NBA needs players like Willie and Selby more than college? Really? And what better way to tell them they aren't ready than by making them go to school?

 

[campbest]

Biggest thing between the NBA and college game (which Gordon Hayward alluded to last night) is the ability to get physical with guards on the perimeter. In college, and Butler employs this strategy every game, cutters can be bumped and handchecking is rampid. NBA is willing to give everyone an extra foul, but you better not be bumping and handchecking on drives, it's an automatic foul.

Comparing the two styles IMO is pointless, the rules exist for different reasons. College basketball is more of the traditional form, the rules are in place to keep basketball at its truer form (not saying it does, just giving an explanation). All you need to know about the NBA is a quote from David Stern, "We're not in the basketball business, we're in the entertainment business."

 

[thebigabd]

It's still isolation basketball. Heck, now that Sloan is gone i'm not sure there's a team besides the Lakers that runs a true offense.

I just don't agree with that at all.

San Antonio, LAL, Portland, Denver, Orlando, Boston, Dallas, OKC, Indiana, and several others play pretty pure offense.

 

[Northbase]

BS. Butler has open shots but couldn't make them. And there weren't all 3s. They couldn't make anything. Wasn't about coaching.

This. and the initial post of this thread= stupidity

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

BS. Butler has open shots but couldn't make them. And there weren't all 3s. They couldn't make anything. Wasn't about coaching.

this. how many times in a row in the second half - when they were still ahead - did butler come down and launch a three? id say at least six times. and butler was afraid to shoot a layup. too many times they drove underneath only to pass it out beyond the arc. i know they were getting shots blocked but you just cant surrender the inside. that 18-0 difference in the paint was embarrassing. and please dont say it was great defense. remember when nova beat georgetown? what did they shoot, like 70%. georgetown played great defense and still got beat. that was just lousy shooting last night.

i dont exactly know how you want the college game to be more like the nba but i dont want it. thats one reason i was drawn to the women years ago. they playt a game that more resembles basketball. college is becoming too much of a jump over someone and get on sportscenter. what do you want to do. let them travel, palm, push off, and forget about defense? imo the problem with college is the same as the pros. you have players that havent developed the basic skills to a point that they can do the job. the kids dont stay in college long enough to learn fundamentals and then by the time they get to the nba its too late to learn. even when you get to the aau level theres not the teaching that should be going on. even at that level its all about the show and getting noticed. i always felt that those spurs teams did so well because they had guys that played four years in colllege - robinson, duncan, elliot, johnson, kerr come to mind. and you can forget about the three year rule. its a good idea but nba ecexcs have already admitted it wont pass.

billy packer was on rome today and he said hes glad he wasnt doing the game last night because he would have had to say what he saw and he would feel bad for the kids.

 

[campbest]

billy packer was on rome today and he said hes glad he wasnt doing the game last night because he would have had to say what he saw and he would feel bad for the kids.

I wish he would have been too...so we could all be reminded on how truely awful of a commentator he is.