NBA Draft 2010

[One More Rebound]

Pick is protected, I believe.

Clipper's pick is definitely protected-even The Clippers aren't that dumb...

 

[NickZepp]

We got a future Clippers first round pick. Basically if they win the lottery next year or maybe get a top 5 pick we probably won't get it.

 

[Max Power]

At least he didn't go to the other LA team that has the rapist and that crazy psycho Artest.

He didn't rape her. Kobe doesn't have to rape anybody, He's Kobe F'n Bryant. She wanted the fame of sleeping with him then taking his money and it failed

 

[coolm]

He didn't rape her. Kobe doesn't have to rape anybody, He's Kobe F'n Bryant. She wanted the fame of sleeping with him then taking his money and it failed

yes, since he's famous we'll assume the bad intent from her.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Max Power]

yes, since he's famous we'll assume the bad intent from her.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Or since it went to court and he was acquitted. I guess little facts like that are lost on ya

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So, the Thunder traded:

#18 Eric Bledsoe
#21 Craig Brackins
#26 Quincy Pondexter
#32 Dexter Pittman
#51 Magnum Rolle
Cash Considerations

Got Back:

#11 Cole Aldrich
#31 Tibor Pleiss
#57 Ryan Reid
Daequan Cook
Maurice Peterson
A Future First Round Pick (Clippers)
Cash Considerations


Did I miss anything?

I just read that we also got that D leaguer back latavius or something

 

[Tony]

Or since it went to court and he was acquitted.

He most certainly was not.

 

[Shooterms]

Or since it went to court and he was acquitted. I guess little facts like that are lost on ya

Or, since it never went to court, because, for a reason none of us know including you, the girl decided not to cooperate any further with the prosecution. I guess little facts like that are lost on ya.

I don't know if Kobe is guilty of rape. I don't know if the girl is guilty of just trying to trump up a charge and get some money. Here is one thing I do know. You don't know those things, either.

Here is something you should probably consider about life. There are women who don't care if a guy is a wealthy, celebrated sports star.

 

[Tony]

Here is something you should probably consider about life. There are women who don't care if a guy is a wealthy, celebrated sports star.

To expound on this a moment, the idea that a person who is famous or rich cannot possibly rape someone is a pernicious myth that only serves to discourage victims from coming forward, particularly when assaulted by powerful men. This knee-jerk victim blaming is what people are talking about when they talk about a rape culture.

Kobe Bryant, BTW, has acknowledged that he believes the women never viewed their sexual encounter as consensual.

 

[Cheno]

I don't know if Kobe is guilty of rape. I don't know if the girl is guilty of just trying to trump up a charge and get some money. Here is one thing I do know. You don't know those things, either.

Correct. So shouldn't you have a problem with the poster that started it and called Kobe a "rapist"? Or do you just have a problem with the guy that said Kobe wasn't a rapist?
Funny how that works.

 

[Tony]

Correct. So shouldn't you have a problem with the poster that started it and called Kobe a "rapist"? Or do you just have a problem with the guy that said Kobe wasn't a rapist?
Funny how that works.

Not really. Not everyone lives in a world where every time anything is said on a message board, everyone must announce their opinion on it, and if they don't it is an implicit endorsement of what has been said.

 

[Shooterms]

Correct. So shouldn't you have a problem with the poster that started it and called Kobe a "rapist"? Or do you just have a problem with the guy that said Kobe wasn't a rapist?
Funny how that works.

Funny how what works?

I think my post said that I don't know if Kobe was a rapist. That would seem to mean that I disagree with someone asserting that he is a rapist, especially since I said that the poster didn't know that either. I'm sorry if my implication was not strong enough for your tastes but what I was trying to say is that there are only 2 people who know if a rape occurred that night and I don't believe either of them post on the OUHoops forum.

I don't have the time to post every time I disagree with someone on a message board. Even if I did have the time, I wouldn't spend it that way. In the future, it might help if you understood that the absence of my expressly posting an opinion on one side, doesn't mean, by default, that I'm on the other side.


Edit: Upon further thought, what exactly were you trying to express might be my motivation for not directly confronting the poster who called Kobe a racist? I'm really curious what assumption you were making about my motivation for not doing so.

 

[paulsboutique]

I missed the first round last night. Where did TMG end up?

 

[MercedeSooner]

He didnt.

 

[Shooterms]

He didnt.

I don't know Paul and I've never been to his boutique, but I'm guessing there was a healthy dose of sarcasm intended.

 

[Dem Coltz]

BTW, I wouldn't say Kobe "acknowledged" he thought the encounter wasn't consensual. That was contained in a statement released by his attorney, part of an agreement with the accuser to drop the criminal case and it was in conjunction with an undisclosed settlement. The circus atmosphere that surrounded his life in the year+ after that incident was ridiculous. Everything he said on the record until that statement directly contradicts it; he repeatedly said it was consensual between them. But then, in order to settle, that statement gets released. Does it sound like he just then realized she didn't want sex that night, or does it sound like that was what he needed to say to get rid of the circus? Ever compromised, or said what someone else wanted, to get out of something? I have. If it took making that statement to get some semblance of sanity back, I bet most people would do so whether they believed it or not.

Shooterms is right, no one really knows or can know what happened that night. Based on all the evidence available to the public, my opinion is he didn't rape her, and sadly I tend to think she may have had dishonest intentions behind her actions. Just my opinion, I realize I know only what has been released. I also think OJ Simpson is a murderer though the court says he wasn't. SoonerDan apparently thinks Kobe is a rapist, or at least calling him a rapist on a message board is no big deal.

Cheno isn't saying that everyone has to always post any time they disagree on a message board. But he does point out: until someone stupidly said Kobe doesn't rape women because he doesn't need to (awful logic), Tony and Coolm and Shooterns didn't see anything in this thread so wrong they needed to speak up. Even though someone had casually referred to Kobe as the "rapist". Like I said, it doesn't show you agree or disagree with SoonerDan. But when you DO reply to Dren's nonsense, it shows you disagree so much with that you have to speak up. So Dren's screwed up logic offends you, but SoonerDan's logic doesn't offend you enough to speak up. So you either think Kobe is a rapist, might be a rapist (and thus it's OK for others to call him a rapist), or you are used to hearing him called a rapist enough you don't bat an eye at this point. Based on the evidence known, I would say all of those are pretty wrong. This is what people mean when they talk about message board culture. That's what it means Shooterms.

 

[boksooner]

Or maybe it's because Dren made a factually inaccurate statement, when he said that Kobe was acquitted in court. Calling Kobe a rapist might be in poor taste, but it is unknowable. Saying he was acquitted in court is a factually inaccurate statement worthy of correction.

 

[Shooterms]

BTW, I wouldn't say Kobe "acknowledged" he thought the encounter wasn't consensual. That was contained in a statement released by his attorney, part of an agreement with the accuser to drop the criminal case and it was in conjunction with an undisclosed settlement. The circus atmosphere that surrounded his life in the year+ after that incident was ridiculous. Everything he said on the record until that statement directly contradicts it; he repeatedly said it was consensual between them. But then, in order to settle, that statement gets released. Does it sound like he just then realized she didn't want sex that night, or does it sound like that was what he needed to say to get rid of the circus? Ever compromised, or said what someone else wanted, to get out of something? I have. If it took making that statement to get some semblance of sanity back, I bet most people would do so whether they believed it or not.

Shooterms is right, no one really knows or can know what happened that night. Based on all the evidence available to the public, my opinion is he didn't rape her, and sadly I tend to think she may have had dishonest intentions behind her actions. Just my opinion, I realize I know only what has been released. I also think OJ Simpson is a murderer though the court says he wasn't. SoonerDan apparently thinks Kobe is a rapist, or at least calling him a rapist on a message board is no big deal.

Cheno isn't saying that everyone has to always post any time they disagree on a message board. But he does point out: until someone stupidly said Kobe doesn't rape women because he doesn't need to (awful logic), Tony and Coolm and Shooterns didn't see anything in this thread so wrong they needed to speak up. Even though someone had casually referred to Kobe as the "rapist". Like I said, it doesn't show you agree or disagree with SoonerDan. But when you DO reply to Dren's nonsense, it shows you disagree so much with that you have to speak up. So Dren's screwed up logic offends you, but SoonerDan's logic doesn't offend you enough to speak up. So you either think Kobe is a rapist, might be a rapist (and thus it's OK for others to call him a rapist), or you are used to hearing him called a rapist enough you don't bat an eye at this point. Based on the evidence known, I would say all of those are pretty wrong. This is what people mean when they talk about message board culture. That's what it means Shooterms.

That's a pretty solid analysis, but misses a couple of things I didn't point out before.

I honestly didn't see SoonerDan's post. It is at the bottom of the first page and I missed it. I had to go back and read it after Cheno posted. I knew that someone had asserted that Kobe was a rapist, but I didn't read it in context. What initially offended me and got my attention was dren's notion that Kobe can't be a rapist because he is Kobe Bryant. Because of the ire that provoked in me, I didn't read the quoted assertion that SoonerDan posted. If I had read that first, I'd have hammered that logic in similar fashion. I just didn't see it. I'm guilty of scanning pages too fast, but not of bias. SoonerDan's classification of Kobe as a rapist is indefensible and ignorant.

That being said, I still find it a tall notion to assume that I deemed it okay to consider Kobe a rapist but not okay to deem the girl a liar/extortionist. I felt like, by referring to both assertions serially, i.e. "I don't know if Kobe is a rapist" and "I don't know if the girl is a liar (paraphrasing)" It would seem fairly clear that I think both assertions are equally suspect.

If Cheno thought I wasn't clear enough on that, it seems like it would have been simple to say "wait, do you think it is fair to call Kobe a rapist". I would have said that I didn't and that would have been that. Instead, Cheno seems to have drawn a conclusion about what I think because I did not expressly criticize SoonerDan.

I'd still like to know what, exactly, he was trying to say about me with the snide "funny how that works" comment.

 

[Tony]

BTW, I wouldn't say Kobe "acknowledged" he thought the encounter wasn't consensual.

Neither would I. In fact, I didn't.

So you either think Kobe is a rapist, might be a rapist (and thus it's OK for others to call him a rapist), or you are used to hearing him called a rapist enough you don't bat an eye at this point.

No. None of these things encompass my views.

 

[Cheno]

Cheno isn't saying that everyone has to always post any time they disagree on a message board. But he does point out: until someone stupidly said Kobe doesn't rape women because he doesn't need to (awful logic), Tony and Coolm and Shooterns didn't see anything in this thread so wrong they needed to speak up. Even though someone had casually referred to Kobe as the "rapist". Like I said, it doesn't show you agree or disagree with SoonerDan. But when you DO reply to Dren's nonsense, it shows you disagree so much with that you have to speak up. So Dren's screwed up logic offends you, but SoonerDan's logic doesn't offend you enough to speak up. So you either think Kobe is a rapist, might be a rapist (and thus it's OK for others to call him a rapist), or you are used to hearing him called a rapist enough you don't bat an eye at this point. Based on the evidence known, I would say all of those are pretty wrong. This is what people mean when they talk about message board culture. That's what it means Shooterms.

Exactly.

Calling Kobe a rapist might be in poor taste, but it is unknowable. Saying he was acquitted in court is a factually inaccurate statement worthy of correction.

To me you don't call someone a rapist unless they've been convicted...which makes it a factual statement. It's not a claim to be made lightly. If Kobe was a rapist he'd probably be in jail or have been convicted. Right? When the fact is the DA dismissed the case. Dismissed it.

I'd still like to know what, exactly, he was trying to say about me with the snide "funny how that works" comment.

I meant that more in general about how athletes are typically viewed as guilty just because a charge is made. When that is the situation the easiest thing in the world is to make a false claim trying to get paid. This girl's friend stated the girl said she wanted to go to an Eminem concert in Denver to try and get with him. In fact her friend was going to testify for the defense that she had a long time plan to sleep with a celebrity to get him to "pay up". Shortly after the lady wanted to settle. Coincidence? I don't think so. Funny thing is when you look at all the facts in the case it doesn't add up to rape. It adds up to someone getting paid. She got paid. That's a fact.