NCAA board does not recommend changes to transfer waiver process

[WTSooner]

you actually believe this?

He shot 38% from the field, and 26% from three.

So yes, that statement, at least pertaining to last year, was 100% correct. Those were his AVERAGES, and those averages weren't good. That means he had several games that were worse, and some that were better. On average, he wasn't efficient enough on offense to be considered a consistent threat. Throw in the 2.5 turnovers/game, and his offensive efficiency was a net negative over the season. Simply scoring 15 ppg doesn't mean squat when you don't do it efficiently. And net year, he isn't going to have Doolittle getting as much attention. Other teams aren't going to defend Kur the way they had to defend Doolittle. That is going to make Reaves job even tougher next year.

 

[WTSooner]

Put another way, in the 19 games OU played once Big 12 play started (includes MSU game), only 5 times in 19 games did Reaves score his average of 15 ppg or more (I was nice and gave him credit for the two 14 point games he had).

That is the definition of inconsistent.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Put another way, in the 19 games OU played once Big 12 play started (includes MSU game), only 5 times in 19 games did Reaves score his average of 15 ppg or more (I was nice and gave him credit for the two 14 point games he had).

That is the definition of inconsistent.

You can apply the adjective inconsistent to him if you like, but the fact that he has the potential to go off like he did against TCU affects the way teams will defend us. Are defenses going to pay more attention to him and leave someone else open? Are they going to concentrate on Manek or Reaves? How do they effectively defend both of them? Would it be nice if he got his 15 ppg every night instead of 30 one night and 0 the next? Sure. But I suspect players that are somewhat inconsistent are more common than those that are consistently contributing the same number of points every game.

 

[WTSooner]

Are they going to concentrate on Manek or Reaves? How do they effectively defend both of them?

They same way they effectively defended both of them PLUS Doolittle this year?

Even with those three.....two 15 ppg guys and one 16 ppg guy (I believe), we were still somewhere between 45-55 in Ken Pom's offensive efficiency. D was around 25. It was our offense that held us back last year. And the year before. And I believe the year before.

 

[thebigabd]

I don't even need to reply, WTsooner did it for me. He is spot on.

 

[stormspencer]

I don't even need to reply, WTsooner did it for me. He is spot on.

If Gibson isn't eligible, I think the key to the season offensively is Harmon....whether it's scoring or distributing. He has to make an impact.

Agree with you as far as our pecking order in the conference with the exception of TCU. I think they battle ISU and KSU to stay out of the cellar. They simply lost too much from what was a pretty average team.

 

[thebigabd]

If Gibson isn't eligible, I think the key to the season offensively is Harmon....whether it's scoring or distributing. He has to make an impact.

Agree with you as far as our pecking order in the conference with the exception of TCU. I think they battle ISU and KSU to stay out of the cellar. They simply lost too much from what was a pretty average team.

I would be way more comfortable with TCU's roster than OU's.... more complete, and deeper. They should be better. They were super young around Bane last year, but have more talent top to bottom this year.

 

[BCSooners]

I would be way more comfortable with TCU's roster than OU's.... more complete, and deeper. They should be better. They were super young around Bane last year, but have more talent top to bottom this year.

So they lose 3 starters including their best player, they were 16-16, 7-11, 45th SOS. OU loses 2 starters including their best player, OU went 19-12, 9-9, 21st SOS. Neither team has an impact player in their recruiting class to help right away, unless Gibson gets eligible for OU.

I don’t see how they’ll be better with or without Gibson.

 

[CoachTalk]

He shot 38% from the field, and 26% from three.

So yes, that statement, at least pertaining to last year, was 100% correct. Those were his AVERAGES, and those averages weren't good. That means he had several games that were worse, and some that were better. On average, he wasn't efficient enough on offense to be considered a consistent threat. Throw in the 2.5 turnovers/game, and his offensive efficiency was a net negative over the season. Simply scoring 15 ppg doesn't mean squat when you don't do it efficiently. And net year, he isn't going to have Doolittle getting as much attention. Other teams aren't going to defend Kur the way they had to defend Doolittle. That is going to make Reaves job even tougher next year.

You think he'll repeat those numbers?

shooters like him, yes below avg %, open things up. Perception is reality at time and basketball is no different. Defenses keyed on him, that wont change next year.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I would be way more comfortable with TCU's roster than OU's.... more complete, and deeper. They should be better. They were super young around Bane last year, but have more talent top to bottom this year.

You loved their team this season, too.

 

[CoachTalk]

I would be way more comfortable with TCU's roster than OU's.... more complete, and deeper. They should be better. They were super young around Bane last year, but have more talent top to bottom this year.

No way TCU is better on paper or not.

 

[skyvue]

I would be way more comfortable with TCU's roster than OU's.... more complete, and deeper. They should be better. They were super young around Bane last year, but have more talent top to bottom this year.

Sounds a lot like "hope" to me. As usual, you're willing to give other teams the benefit of the doubt but not OU.

 

[CoachTalk]

Sounds a lot like "hope" to me. As usual, you're willing to give other teams the benefit of the doubt but not OU.

Ding ding ding. Winner.

 

[Speedy17]

Sounds like Bieniemy might just be staying a Sooner next year.

There are discussions within the Bieniemy camp about possibly coming back to Oklahoma. If he does then that gives OU Reaves, Manek, Harmon, and Bieniemy back as starters and the rest of the reserves as well. I think this team really improves if this is the case.

 

[WTSooner]

Sounds like Bieniemy might just be staying a Sooner next year.

There are discussions within the Bieniemy camp about possibly coming back to Oklahoma. If he does then that gives OU Reaves, Manek, Harmon, and Bieniemy back as starters and the rest of the reserves as well. I think this team really improves if this is the case.

If JB comes back, and the other transfers aren't eligible this year.....you think we really improve?

Gonna have to disagree. Having JB is we don't have the transfers is better than not having him, but I don't see that changing much. And he isn't guaranteed to start. Especially after bailing on his team.

 

[thebigabd]

Sounds a lot like "hope" to me. As usual, you're willing to give other teams the benefit of the doubt but not OU.

They were talented but too young last year, and got screwed by really high level transfers, and ended up with a gigantic glaring hole at power forward. Their power forward was 6'4''. They have filled that hole with a very good player, and will now have one of the better front-courts in the league.

Allow me to demonstrate.

PF: Kevin Easley (6'7'' 225 - RS Sophomore)
-Was the Southern Conference Freshman of the Year while at Chattanooga… Led the Mocs in scoring at 14.2 points per game while also averaging 6.7 rebounds and shooting 44.4 percent from the field and 39.7 percent from 3-point range… Tied for second on the team with 47 made 3-pointers

C: Kevin Samuel (6'11'' 250 - Junior)
-Started every game as a sophomore. Averaged 10.0 points and a team-best 8.4 rebounds per game… Blocked 2.7 shots per game, which ranked first in the Big 12 and 11th in the NCAA… Had 85 blocked shots, the second-best in program history

PF: Mickey Pearson (6'7'' 200- RS Freshman)
-Another versatile and athletic forward. Can shoot the 3 and is a great athlete. They considered pulling his redshirt this year but kept him on. This guy is going to be a good player.

PF: Jaedon LeDee (6'9'' 235)
-Transfer from Ohio State. Played in 30 games… Became eligible on Nov. 18. Serviceable backup forward.

PF: Diante Smith (6'7'' 200 - Sophomore)
-Very talented and skilled forward. Can shoot jumpers, great athlete. Bright future. Played in all 30 games as a true freshman.

That frontcourt will be really good... You've got Samuel who is a great rebounder and shot blocker, then 2-3 guys around him that are all skilled, versatile players.

Factor in Nembhard, USC transfer and McDonalds All-American Charles O'Bannon, Francisco Farabello, PJ Fuller, and a pretty good incoming freshman recruiting class and they are looking pretty good.

They have more talent on paper than OU does, they have more recruiting star power than OU has.. They have better post players and better post depth. They have a more complete lineup than OU does.

Mike Miles - 4 star
PJ Fuller - 4 star
Francisco Farabello - 4 star
Charloes Obannon - 5 star
Kevin Samuel - 4 star
RJ Nembhard - 4 star

The other thing you guys are forgetting is how their roster got messed up going into last year, and they had to play 3-4 true freshman heavy minutes. Kendric Davis was a good player, transferred. Kuat Noi was a good player, transferred.

They were supposed to have:

PG: Kendric Davis
SG: Desmond Bane
SG: RJ Nembhard
PF: Kuat Noi
C: Kevin Samuel

Noi averaged like 15 a game, and Davis transferred to SMU and averaged 14 points and 7 assists per game. Those are two huge losses. TCU was on a path of being one of the better teams in the league before getting ambushed by Davis and Noi.

Their path is more promising than OU's right now... there is no doubt about it. I think PJ Fuller is gonna be a star, Farabello is gonna be a pain with his shooting, Nembhard is a good all around guard, and the front-court is really good. We will see on O'bannon, he was a a MCDAA but did nothing at USC.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Although I disagree on the starters....

PG: Harmon
SG: Reaves
SG: Williams
PF: Manek
C: Kuath

That's pretty much a guarantee at this point... Hill will be needed to backup the 3 and 4 positions.

hill has played 0 min at the 4 so far at OU

 

[CoachTalk]

They were talented but too young last year, and got screwed by really high level transfers, and ended up with a gigantic glaring hole at power forward. Their power forward was 6'4''. They have filled that hole with a very good player, and will now have one of the better front-courts in the league.

Allow me to demonstrate.

PF: Kevin Easley (6'7'' 225 - RS Sophomore)
-Was the Southern Conference Freshman of the Year while at Chattanooga… Led the Mocs in scoring at 14.2 points per game while also averaging 6.7 rebounds and shooting 44.4 percent from the field and 39.7 percent from 3-point range… Tied for second on the team with 47 made 3-pointers

C: Kevin Samuel (6'11'' 250 - Junior)
-Started every game as a sophomore. Averaged 10.0 points and a team-best 8.4 rebounds per game… Blocked 2.7 shots per game, which ranked first in the Big 12 and 11th in the NCAA… Had 85 blocked shots, the second-best in program history

PF: Mickey Pearson (6'7'' 200- RS Freshman)
-Another versatile and athletic forward. Can shoot the 3 and is a great athlete. They considered pulling his redshirt this year but kept him on. This guy is going to be a good player.

PF: Jaedon LeDee (6'9'' 235)
-Transfer from Ohio State. Played in 30 games… Became eligible on Nov. 18. Serviceable backup forward.

PF: Diante Smith (6'7'' 200 - Sophomore)
-Very talented and skilled forward. Can shoot jumpers, great athlete. Bright future. Played in all 30 games as a true freshman.

That frontcourt will be really good... You've got Samuel who is a great rebounder and shot blocker, then 2-3 guys around him that are all skilled, versatile players.

Factor in Nembhard, USC transfer and McDonalds All-American Charles O'Bannon, Francisco Farabello, PJ Fuller, and a pretty good incoming freshman recruiting class and they are looking pretty good.

They have more talent on paper than OU does, they have more recruiting star power than OU has.. They have better post players and better post depth. They have a more complete lineup than OU does.

Mike Miles - 4 star
PJ Fuller - 4 star
Francisco Farabello - 4 star
Charloes Obannon - 5 star
Kevin Samuel - 4 star
RJ Nembhard - 4 star

The other thing you guys are forgetting is how their roster got messed up going into last year, and they had to play 3-4 true freshman heavy minutes. Kendric Davis was a good player, transferred. Kuat Noi was a good player, transferred.

They were supposed to have:

PG: Kendric Davis
SG: Desmond Bane
SG: RJ Nembhard
PF: Kuat Noi
C: Kevin Samuel

Noi averaged like 15 a game, and Davis transferred to SMU and averaged 14 points and 7 assists per game. Those are two huge losses. TCU was on a path of being one of the better teams in the league before getting ambushed by Davis and Noi.

Their path is more promising than OU's right now... there is no doubt about it. I think PJ Fuller is gonna be a star, Farabello is gonna be a pain with his shooting, Nembhard is a good all around guard, and the front-court is really good. We will see on O'bannon, he was a a MCDAA but did nothing at USC.

I can’t wait to see those 4 pf and center all ply at once.

Who do actually root for in college basketball?

 

[thebigabd]

I can’t wait to see those 4 pf and center all ply at once.

Who do actually root for in college basketball?

OU and Tulsa. Why?

 

[WichitaSooner]

They were talented but too young last year, and got screwed by really high level transfers, and ended up with a gigantic glaring hole at power forward. Their power forward was 6'4''. They have filled that hole with a very good player, and will now have one of the better front-courts in the league.

Allow me to demonstrate.

PF: Kevin Easley (6'7'' 225 - RS Sophomore)
-Was the Southern Conference Freshman of the Year while at Chattanooga… Led the Mocs in scoring at 14.2 points per game while also averaging 6.7 rebounds and shooting 44.4 percent from the field and 39.7 percent from 3-point range… Tied for second on the team with 47 made 3-pointers

C: Kevin Samuel (6'11'' 250 - Junior)
-Started every game as a sophomore. Averaged 10.0 points and a team-best 8.4 rebounds per game… Blocked 2.7 shots per game, which ranked first in the Big 12 and 11th in the NCAA… Had 85 blocked shots, the second-best in program history

PF: Mickey Pearson (6'7'' 200- RS Freshman)
-Another versatile and athletic forward. Can shoot the 3 and is a great athlete. They considered pulling his redshirt this year but kept him on. This guy is going to be a good player.

PF: Jaedon LeDee (6'9'' 235)
-Transfer from Ohio State. Played in 30 games… Became eligible on Nov. 18. Serviceable backup forward.

PF: Diante Smith (6'7'' 200 - Sophomore)
-Very talented and skilled forward. Can shoot jumpers, great athlete. Bright future. Played in all 30 games as a true freshman.

That frontcourt will be really good... You've got Samuel who is a great rebounder and shot blocker, then 2-3 guys around him that are all skilled, versatile players.

Factor in Nembhard, USC transfer and McDonalds All-American Charles O'Bannon, Francisco Farabello, PJ Fuller, and a pretty good incoming freshman recruiting class and they are looking pretty good.

They have more talent on paper than OU does, they have more recruiting star power than OU has.. They have better post players and better post depth. They have a more complete lineup than OU does.

Mike Miles - 4 star
PJ Fuller - 4 star
Francisco Farabello - 4 star
Charloes Obannon - 5 star
Kevin Samuel - 4 star
RJ Nembhard - 4 star

The other thing you guys are forgetting is how their roster got messed up going into last year, and they had to play 3-4 true freshman heavy minutes. Kendric Davis was a good player, transferred. Kuat Noi was a good player, transferred.

They were supposed to have:

PG: Kendric Davis
SG: Desmond Bane
SG: RJ Nembhard
PF: Kuat Noi
C: Kevin Samuel

Noi averaged like 15 a game, and Davis transferred to SMU and averaged 14 points and 7 assists per game. Those are two huge losses. TCU was on a path of being one of the better teams in the league before getting ambushed by Davis and Noi.

Their path is more promising than OU's right now... there is no doubt about it. I think PJ Fuller is gonna be a star, Farabello is gonna be a pain with his shooting, Nembhard is a good all around guard, and the front-court is really good. We will see on O'bannon, he was a a MCDAA but did nothing at USC.

Their path is brighter than ours?? They haven’t made the tourney in multiple years, we own them head to head, and they are in the bottom three of most projections for next season that I’ve seen. Other than that, they are definitely on a rocket ship to the top of the standings.