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Can't speak on the Crutchfield part.
I fully believe it's a tournament birth or bust for PM. Pretty confident about that.
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I fully believe it's a tournament birth or bust for PM. Pretty confident about that.
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Updated list of candidates:
-Ryan Odom (VCU - KP 33 - 19-5)
-Eric Olen (UC San Diego - KP 50 - 20-4)
-Jerrod Calhoun (Utah State - KP 52 - 21-3)
-Ben McCollum (Drake - KP 61 - 22-2)
-Ross Hodge (North Texas - KP 64 - 17-6)
-Richard Pitino (New Mexico - KP 35 - 20-4)
-Bucky McMillan (Samford KP 96 - 19-6)
-Bryce Drew (Grand Canyon - KP 94 - 17-6)
-Mike Byington (Vanderbilt - KP 48 - 17-6)
-Will Wade (McNeese St - KP 71 - 18-6)
-Bryan Hodgeson (Arkansas St - KP 89 - 18-7)
Any that jump out to you all as a "YES!"? Or a Top 3, ordered 1-3?
-Ryan Odom (VCU - KP 33 - 19-5)
-Eric Olen (UC San Diego - KP 50 - 20-4)
-Jerrod Calhoun (Utah State - KP 52 - 21-3)
-Ben McCollum (Drake - KP 61 - 22-2)
-Ross Hodge (North Texas - KP 64 - 17-6)
-Richard Pitino (New Mexico - KP 35 - 20-4)
-Bucky McMillan (Samford KP 96 - 19-6)
-Bryce Drew (Grand Canyon - KP 94 - 17-6)
-Mike Byington (Vanderbilt - KP 48 - 17-6)
-Will Wade (McNeese St - KP 71 - 18-6)
-Bryan Hodgeson (Arkansas St - KP 89 - 18-7)
Any that jump out to you all as a "YES!"? Or a Top 3, ordered 1-3?
Of that group, I like Odom, McCollum, McMillan, Drew, and Wade.
Odom would be my first choice. Wade won't happen. Drew's Vanderbilt run is definitely a reason for pause -- maybe he's just a mid-major maestro.
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sign me up for Pitino
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My personal (not sourced) top 3 in no order:
- Ben McCollum (Drake) proven winner, may be able to navigate the lower NIL budget efficiently. Negatives: No P5 experience.
- Richard Pitino (New Mexico) good evaluator, and Pitino connection. Negatives: not great success at P5
- Will Wade (McNeese St) He can help raise NIL budget, winner, and SEC experience. Negatives: Compliance blah blah blah and will a bigger job go after him this cycle?
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1 - Ben McCollum - dude waited at NW Missouri State on the right job and killed it there, is doing well at Drake.
2 - Bucky McMillan - He's literally coaching in his home neighborhood. Not sure if he'd leave the state of Alabama for OU, but Bama and Auburn aren't opening up any time soon (though if Nate Oats eventually goes from Bama to UNC, Bucky will be a player for the Bama job). He needs to get a call from us, though.
3 - Ross Hodge - reasonably local, would come cheap. We missed out on the last North Texas coach, to our detriment.
The UC San Diego coach is intriguing. This is their first year to be eligible for the tournament after moving up from D-II. Probably too big a jump from the Big West to the SEC.
Mark Byington just went to Vandy this year after doing well at James Madison. OU is a lateral move for him at this time.
Will Wade isn't coming to OU as long as Joe C. is doing the hiring. Plus, Greg Sankey had shadowbanned him from the SEC...not sure if that's still the case. The power school that does hire him will win big, though.
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for the record I would hire Will Wade tomorrow .. (but as long as joe C is the AD that would never happen)
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There's a Twitter/X account by the handle of Curry Hicks Sage. He's a guy in New York that specializes in dirt on coaching searches. He's pretty well plugged in nationwide. On his Twitter Spaces, he suggests that you could do a lot worse than a young guy that's coached junior college in Texas. They do more with less, are constantly retooling rosters, and compete against tough opponents. Ross Hodge coached at both Paris and Midland.
Not saying we should hire him, but the new paradigm of college hoops involves massive roster turnover with few players staying more than one or two years with NIL and the portal.
Interesting. Also sounds like you don't even have to be able to recruit anymore, you just have to have NIL money. So, get a guy who can really coach, preaches some sort of identity(and can actually get it out of his players), and hopefully OU and donors can respond with NIL, eventually
. Personally i'd like a guy like Buzz(maybe not Buzz, LIKE Buzz) who preaches defense and physicality. Like it or not, those things travel. Can OU for once in my lifetime be the team that out athletes and out physicals someone else? Been a loooooong time feels like.
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We had quite a few teams beat from an athleticism/length standpoint last year, but CW chose to neutralize that by playing the most passive defensive system imaginable. Could have been a very good, attacking defense with guys like Moore, Soares, Oweh, plus Los and even Cooper. And we certainly never win the physical battle.Interesting. Also sounds like you don't even have to be able to recruit anymore, you just have to have NIL money. So, get a guy who can really coach, preaches some sort of identity(and can actually get it out of his players), and hopefully OU and donors can respond with NIL, eventually
Can OU for once in my lifetime be the team that out athletes and out physicals someone else? Been a loooooong time feels like.
I'm tired of ragging on Moser. I don't dislike him as a person other than the fact he has sucked here at OU and honestly I really only care about his coaching abilities and his ability to actually win here. He seems like a nice guy otherwise, and if he hopefully moves on I wish him success. That being said my worst nightmare is for him to have just enough success the rest of this season to stay and we're right here at this time next year b***** about the exact same crap.
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I have no idea what kind of person he is. IMHO people always make the mistake of thinking they can judge that based on seeing someone on TV. Unless someone is a complete, over-the-top jerk like Hurley (or Hurley), it's hard to tell. I can't stand his sideline demeanor, but even that is something I could tolerate if he was doing a good job for us.
I agree fully that him staying after another close-but-no-cigar season is worst case scenario.
1. McCollum
2. Odom
3. Pitino (Joe C is too square for this)
4. Wade (See above)
OU is a better job than Drake, of course, but McCollum could rightly believe he can get a better job than OU 1-2 years from now.
We are going to have to make a tangible commitment to NIL funding that gets us to middle of the road in the SEC to upgrade our HC, or we should just keep Moser.
19-12/20-11 with him is mediocre, but it’s not close to rock bottom. We could easily become Oklahoma State, or worse, without some real changes and a worse coach.
Agree, pretty much. Except that nobody could argue Lon was a real good guy morally, ethically, etc and I loved the way he won from about year 2 through Buddy leaving. However, as cold as this may seem towards the end of his tenure I wanted him gone as he let things slide and it was very frustrating.. I hated that it happened that way, and i'm glad he didn't actually get fired. But I was glad he was gone from the perspective I wanted OU to win at the highest level and it wasn't headed in that direction, at all.
I guess for me the sweet spot is having a coach with good character, it's easier to get behind people like that. I don't want a blatant cheater or somebody who caves his girlfriend's face in like Chris Beard. But honestly beyond that I couldn't care less. I have no idea what kind of people Tubbs and Sampson were, but they are two of my favorite OU coaches all time in any sport... Just the way it goes I guess.
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My thing with the end of Lon’s tenure is that while I was disappointed we had taken a step back, I also knew it was very likely we would regress under a new coach. A lot of people underestimate how difficult it is to do what he did. Making the tourney all but two years, one of which was in his first year after taking over a mess, isn’t easy, especially at a non-blue blood. Very few coaches could do that.
Now, we are in the opposite situation, where I feel like there are a lot of good coaches who would surpass what Moser has done. When you look at some of the guys hired in the past couple years, you realize how many are lapping Moser. I was all for hiring Moser so I’ll be the first to say that I didn’t see this four year run of bad to mediocre basketball, but the sample size is more than big enough at this point to realize that he just isn’t cut out for the job.
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The Shark disagrees with ya…. Just need a few hot tubs…
