New Coach

steverocks35 said:
And yet we’ve had 3 hall-of-fame coaches the last 40 years. Tubbs, Sampson, and Kruger. It amazes me that the basketball program at OU is held in higher esteem outside Sooner world than inside.
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That was in the past, pre-NIL era. Ou in the NIL era is still behind the top 40 or so programs in terms of fans/donors/arena competitiveness. Coaches and their agents know this.
 
TINY said:
That was in the past, pre-NIL era. Ou in the NIL era is still behind the top 40 or so programs in terms of fans/donors/arena competitiveness. Coaches and their agents know this.
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We were behind in arena, donors, and fan support even when Tubbs and Sampson were here. You guys act like we’re just a poverty program nobody would ever want to coach. It’s just not true.
 
steverocks35 said:
We were behind in arena, donors, and fan support even when Tubbs and Sampson were here. You guys act like we’re just a poverty program nobody would ever want to coach. It’s just not true.
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In the "anything goes, pay for play" era we are in now, OU is the most far behind program in the SEC, by far.
 
steverocks35 said:
We were behind in arena, donors, and fan support even when Tubbs and Sampson were here. You guys act like we’re just a poverty program nobody would ever want to coach. It’s just not true.
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Not really, you're saying an arena opened in 1975 was a problem by the early to mid 80s? And frequent sellouts and standing room only crowds for both coaches on occasion aren't "behind" others. No, we've never had a full arena for most every game like some blue bloods, but most others don't either.
 
It wasn't long ago that Texas Tech's arena was practically vacant. I'm not saying OU has great crowd support or anything like that. But a team that is 3-10 in conference is going to struggle to fill the arena in some locations -- even locations that have a fanatic attitude when they are winning. This isn't a chicken-or-egg dilemma -- the answer here is easy for our fan base. Win meaningful games at home and people will usually start coming.
 
steverocks35 said:
We were behind in arena, donors, and fan support even when Tubbs and Sampson were here. You guys act like we’re just a poverty program nobody would ever want to coach. It’s just not true.
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The LNC was built in 1975 and it was already outdated during Tubbs’ run?

NIL is a completely different ballgame. $ and top talent has never been more correlated.
 
Agree with Steverocks. LNC sucks as a basketball arena and has since the day it opened. Lot more fun and environment in games at the old Fieldhouse.

Agree with Dutch as well: It is now just a money game -- period. It seems to me this benefits OU's chances of winning a national championship assuming we have the money to spend. Just like Missouri and other mid level football programs that have never been able to break into the blue blood stranglehold on championships and elite players, might now have a chance due to being able to out recruit blue blood with money. If we have the money, and I don't know if we do, we should be able to overcome any and all obstacles to obtaining the kind of players necessary to win at any level. It is all about the money, and not about facilities, tradition, relationships etc.
Historically, the odds of us ever being able to consistently compete with Kentucky, UCLA or Kansas in basketball was really hardly nothing more than an illusion. (same an except for one or two unique teams we put together). I don't see why we can't compete now with superior NIL. Any coach should be able to be pretty successful given the right players.
 
steverocks35 said:
It was actually. It was never a good basketball venue.
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Well you would have a hard time telling that to the thousands of fans during those eras. I know it's better to have the fans as close to the floor as possible, but in the last 4 decades I've never sat at a game and thought boy this is just too far away. I get it we need to update our arena situation for appearance and recruiting sake, but to say the Lloyd Noble has put us behind others ever since it was built is just wrong. It has served it's purpose I guess, but it didn't put us behind anyone in the Tubbs or Sampson eras.
 
Sooner Season said:
Well you would have a hard time telling that to the thousands of fans during those eras. I know it's better to have the fans as close to the floor as possible, but in the last 4 decades I've never sat at a game and thought boy this is just too far away. I get it we need to update our arena situation for appearance and recruiting sake, but to say the Lloyd Noble has put us behind others ever since it was built is just wrong. It has served its purpose I guess, but it didn't put us behind anyone in the Tubbs or Sampson eras.
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It was an okay arena, definitely not ideal for basketball, when it was built, but It was nearly 20 years old and absolutely obsolete by the time Tubbs stepped down.
 
steverocks35 said:
It was an okay arena, definitely not ideal for basketball, when it was built, but It was nearly 20 years old and absolutely obsolete by the time Tubbs stepped down.
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Good on Sampson and Kruger for getting us to the Final Four with an obsolete arena I guess.
 
steverocks35 said:
My initial point was that we can still get a great coach despite our limitations. Also our program is more esteemed outside sooner nation.
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This I hope you are correct about. I'm just afraid NIL is going to doom us to the outside the top 25 club and the make the tournament once every few years (hopefully) club.
 
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