Other College BBall Thread 2024-5

[WichitaSooner]

Ou beat scar by 20. It was not close at all.

Uzan was better at ou as a freshman than he has been this year. His numbers are almost identical to his sophomore year at ou.

Again, this isn’t remotely true. Look at his win share. Look at his advanced metrics. Look at his defensive metrics. I posted the link but I know some of you are so entrenched in your views that facts don’t matter.

As for our game, we trailed in the second half against S Carolina, while they were missing a starter and key sub. Not quite the same as Houston leading by 24 at half, winning by 34, and making Utah look like a high school team.

 

[cmdsooner]

Love these posts where people expose how little they know about the sport. Apparently advanced stats are beyond your comprehension.

You mean the Providence and S. Carolina teams that we struggled to beat? We wouldn’t even be able to beat Utah Community College by 34.

Yeah, we should all look to you & your infinite basketball wisdom to set us straight. Judging by the way you present yourself on this site, I very seriously doubt you’ve spent much real time around the game besides complaining from your couch or the bleachers.

You brought up his improvement in the turnover department. His turnover percentage improved more from year 1-2 at OU than it did from last year to this year, but there’s not a chance in hell you’d ever point that improvement out because it works against that axe you’re grinding relentlessly.

Advanced defensive numbers are almost always going to look better when you’re on a great defensive team, and advanced individual defensive statistics are always flawed.

My issue with you is that your shtick sucks. You can’t talk about anything without it being a shot at OU. It’s old. You’re annoying. Everyone knows where you stand. It is completely fine to have the feelings you do about the current situation but you struggle to give a take, even about other teams, without it being a veiled dig at OU. It’s exhausting to pick through this site because of your disingenuous drivel.

 

[TINY]

Again, this isn’t remotely true. Look at his win share. Look at his advanced metrics. Look at his defensive metrics. I posted the link but I know some of you are so entrenched in your views that facts don’t matter.

As for our game, we trailed in the second half against S Carolina, while they were missing a starter and key sub. Not quite the same as Houston leading by 24 at half, winning by 34, and making Utah look like a high school team.

The stats are what they are. They are almost identical year over year.

Ou won the game against scar by 20 points. That’s a fact.

 

[WichitaSooner]

The stats are what they are. They are almost identical year over year.

Ou won the game against scar by 20 points. That’s a fact.

With respect to your first paragraph, you are either intentionally lying or you simply refuse to look at the advanced stats.

I’ll get the “we beat South Carolina by 20” banner printed. I’ll make sure it’s a talking point for the “we got screwed by the committee” folks.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Yeah, we should all look to you & your infinite basketball wisdom to set us straight. Judging by the way you present yourself on this site, I very seriously doubt you’ve spent much real time around the game besides complaining from your couch or the bleachers.

You brought up his improvement in the turnover department. His turnover percentage improved more from year 1-2 at OU than it did from last year to this year, but there’s not a chance in hell you’d ever point that improvement out because it works against that axe you’re grinding relentlessly.

Advanced defensive numbers are almost always going to look better when you’re on a great defensive team, and advanced individual defensive statistics are always flawed.

My issue with you is that your shtick sucks. You can’t talk about anything without it being a shot at OU. It’s old. You’re annoying. Everyone knows where you stand. It is completely fine to have the feelings you do about the current situation but you struggle to give a take, even about other teams, without it being a veiled dig at OU. It’s exhausting to pick through this site because of your disingenuous drivel.

It’s not a veiled dig at OU. I’m not hiding it. It’s a very direct comment on Moser and his failure with Los and Oweh. Our coach pissed away two really good players who are good enough to start on top 10 teams. Both of them could make the FF this season and it wouldn’t be a surprise. Seeing as how CW has said time and again that the key to his program building approach is retaining players for four years and building around the core guys, his failure with those two is arguably the biggest setback we have had. It’s why we are having to debate which of our unathletic guards should be starting, or whether Forsythe should be playing more. These are not issues we would have to think about if he had gotten more out of two guys who became day one starters on far better teams. If you want to judge Los solely by his three-point percentage, go for it. I guess that means Fears sucks, since he is the worst shooter on our team.

 

[TINY]

With respect to your first paragraph, you are either intentionally lying or you simply refuse to look at the advanced stats.

I’ll get the “we beat South Carolina by 20” banner printed. I’ll make sure it’s a talking point for the “we got screwed by the committee” folks.

I’m looking at the only stats that matter. PPG, shooting %, RPG, APG, etc.. His stats are almost identical year over year against comparable schedules. You can try to refute that but it doesn’t make it less true.

Once again you bring up a straw man argument about scar. I never said anything other than it wasn’t a close game. You said it was a close game. No one on earth except for you thinks a 20 point game is close.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

With respect to your first paragraph, you are either intentionally lying or you simply refuse to look at the advanced stats.

I’ll get the “we beat South Carolina by 20” banner printed. I’ll make sure it’s a talking point for the “we got screwed by the committee” folks.

Florida nearly just lost to them. Just saying

And you have yet to post the advanced stats that show such vast improvement.

You like to use basic stats when they suite you and ignore advanced stats when they don’t. And vice versa

 

[CanadaSooner23]

Arkansas finally broke through and got a win. The talent is there for them to go on a run, even without Boogie Fland. This will be a quality road win if we can find a way.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Uzan is having a better year in adv stats than in his previous 2 at OU. (PER, W/S, ORtg and DRtg)

 

[WaymanFan]

Uzan is having a better year in adv stats than in his previous 2 at OU. (PER, W/S, ORtg and DRtg)


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He' a junior now. His stats are expected to be better regardless of what school he plays for. After seeing him play a few times with Houston this season, I wouldn't say he's noticeably better under the coaching of Sampson. Mild improvement overall, but nothing unexpected. Oweh is the guy who has taken that proverbial "next step". I really wish we still had him.

 

[snydrosooner]

Uzan is having a better year in adv stats than in his previous 2 at OU. (PER, W/S, ORtg and DRtg)


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Those advance stats are going to be biased based on team and role. Like all stats can be. An all star player in nba on a bad team will have great ppg and such but bad advanced as team is no good.

With that said, eye test matters. Games I have watched of Houston, Los seemed little more under control and playing in the system. I am not sure how to compare to previous years on that. Did mosier not control him in the system? Did Los not understand or choose not to always play within system? A easier system? More mature player? Sampson better coach? Many factors plays a part.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Uzan is having a better year in adv stats than in his previous 2 at OU. (PER, W/S, ORtg and DRtg)


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the shooting numbers are still pretty bad this year for him ..

 

[The_Banker]

Uhhh @StoopsBros, not an OU/moser hater here, but +154 for a win/win doesn’t sound to bad…

 

[SunshinePumper]

Uhhh @StoopsBros, not an OU/moser hater here, but +154 for a win/win doesn’t sound to bad…

That line probably moves quite a bit based on Saturday - a win and you won't get better odds to be on us to make the tournament. If we lose then you can buy the dip on OU making it

 

[The_Banker]

That line probably moves quite a bit based on Saturday - a win and you won't get better odds to be on us to make the tournament. If we lose then you can buy the dip on OU making it

Exactly, the hedging possibilities are endless.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Uzan is having a better year in adv stats than in his previous 2 at OU. (PER, W/S, ORtg and DRtg)


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Can you compare Uzan this year to Miles and Kobe this year?

Would Los even start for this OU team?

 

[WichitaSooner]

I’m looking at the only stats that matter. PPG, shooting %, RPG, APG, etc.. His stats are almost identical year over year against comparable schedules. You can try to refute that but it doesn’t make it less true.

Once again you bring up a straw man argument about scar. I never said anything other than it wasn’t a close game. You said it was a close game. No one on earth except for you thinks a 20 point game is close.

So you know better than NBA scouts and people who make their living in basketball? I assume you think that in baseball, the three Triple Crown categories are all that matter even though it's been known for years now that there are a million stats that better capture a player's value?

The improvement is stark. His offensive and defensive ratings are MILES better. And he already is worth more win shares this season in just over half a year than he was in 32 games last season.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So you know better than NBA scouts and people who make their living in basketball? I assume you think that in baseball, the three Triple Crown categories are all that matter even though it's been known for years now that there are a million stats that better capture a player's value?

The improvement is stark. His offensive and defensive ratings are MILES better. And he already is worth more win shares this season in just over half a year than he was in 32 games last season.

Better? OK I can get behind that.
Miles better? LOL

 

[WichitaSooner]

Better? OK I can get behind that.
Miles better? LOL

His offensive rating has gone from 99 to 121 and his defensive rating from 102.6 to 89.6. Those are massive jumps.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Uhhh @StoopsBros, not an OU/moser hater here, but +154 for a win/win doesn’t sound to bad…

I think we were around -450 to make it a couple weeks ago. If I had a FD account, it would have been a no-brainer to bet "no" at that point. Like you say, you would either win the bet and a good amount of money, or lose the bet and get to see us in the tourney.