OU/K-State

[Sweetest OU Girl]

That is interesting Syb.

Why do you think her minutes decline so much against this one team?

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Make sense:

https://admin.xosn.com/pdf9/3213370.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=31000&

The five starters are playing at least 24 minutes per game (conference play).
Maddie is next with 15.
Vivi is next with 10.5. Nobody else has ten.

Maddie leads the team in blocks---as a reserve. She is scoring almost as much as Sharane who has 177 more minutes. She is third on the team in FG%, behind posts, Kaylon and Vivi. She is second on the team in 3pt %. She and Gioya are tied for third in free throw % (excluding Shaya's one for one). In non-conference play, Maddie averaged nine minutes per game. In conference play, that is fifteen.

Recent minutes:
21--at Texas
17--at WV
22--IS
3---KS
7---at Baylor
21--TCU
23--at IS
1---at KS
Does that look like her minutes are declining? It does look like she doesn't get to play against Kansas State.

Heres what I think.. I just really believe Sherri is really hard on Maddie cause she is trying to mold her into becoming great. I think that cause I don't see her being held to the same expectations as everyone else. Goiya had 6 turnovers and fouled out again- which, your trying to get her going again, so maybe you roll with it, I get that. But everyone else on the team had 3 to's, and Lenesia came in and did the same thing as Maddie--- they all came back and played. For me, It doesn't make sense not to play Maddie more against a zone, she is the best passer and she shoots 46% from 3- She can turn defense into offense so they can't set up. And she can play the high post. I just feel like she is trying to make her reach another level, and holds her to a higher standard that she has not met yet. Its a risk as a coach, but she must feel she can take it.

I that think cause one, I see we have a 6'2 guard that can move, run, pass, shoot, D-UP and play 4 positions. and no. 2, At some pt. as a women's basketball coach, you have to look around ask "Ok. why is Uconn so great?" X's and O's, yeah- but I've heard Sherri speak for years, she is very sharp so, I feel we have that. Great players/recruits, yeah- But as we have seen time and again, thats not all there is to it. The most important thing they have is those 12 players all push each other to get to the next level. They don't play, until they play perfectly. Maybe Sherri is catching on to that, and maybe she sees her youth and depth as an opportunity to ask more. EVERYONE from Tubbs to Me (The shameless blog poster ) sees her talent. They see the upside, and potential. And Sherri is ALWAYS- very- in tuned with the things going on around her-- she can't possibly be missing the things we see from Maddie. If I'm right, I just hope it works. If I am wrong, then I have no explanation why you yank a freshman with that much talent.

Just my take on the situation.

 

[rocjunkie]

Maddie's biggest problem is she just doesn't shoot the ball when she is open, however, Kansas State is a zone defensive team, they are difficult to drive against, so you really need zone busters to open things up. Peyton did that last night, every one else just did not shoot well. After Maddie's two turnovers in a minute, Sherri probably didn't intend to sit Maddie, but decided to go with the winning hand on the floor. I won't give up on her, I think she will be very valuable in the next three games against the man to man. Just my opinion.

 

[22dupree]

Has anyone heard or figured out what Mitte's technical foul was all about?

It seemed very strange considering the events on the court at the time.

Maybe the edge of his shoe was on the court. No, being on the court can't possibly be a technical since WWW camps out near the free throw line most of the game...



when the ball is in play....



on her end of the court.

According to the KState broadcasters, Mitte wanted a 3-seconds violation on ViVi, but didn't get one. He did a bit of yelling, pointing towards the lane and held up seven fingers for the official - and got T'd up.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Maddie's biggest problem is she just doesn't shoot the ball when she is open, however, Kansas State is a zone defensive team, they are difficult to drive against, so you really need zone busters to open things up. Peyton did that last night, every one else just did not shoot well. After Maddie's two turnovers in a minute, Sherri probably didn't intend to sit Maddie, but decided to go with the winning hand on the floor. I won't give up on her, I think she will be very valuable in the next three games against the man to man. Just my opinion.

Also, even though Maddie is a familiar fixture on the team, she has less than one full season's experience. Physically, she probably still isn't close to 100%. She's still learning.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Maddie's biggest problem is she just doesn't shoot the ball when she is open, however, Kansas State is a zone defensive team, they are difficult to drive against, so you really need zone busters to open things up. Peyton did that last night, every one else just did not shoot well. After Maddie's two turnovers in a minute, Sherri probably didn't intend to sit Maddie, but decided to go with the winning hand on the floor. I won't give up on her, I think she will be very valuable in the next three games against the man to man. Just my opinion.

Well, I totally agree with that being Maddies biggest problem. But when she does fire she hits as good as anybody- she knocked down 2 at Iowa State- finished with 10 pts in 20 mins. And then, Lenesia hasn't hit a jumper or a 3 all season?? so Idk, thats just my theory. I put that talent and the minutes together and they don't add up to me- I think she is going to ask for more from her until she steps up. Just like Geno does. Cite- Breanna Stewarts first season? high risk- high reward approach, but I kinda like it. And she must feel like she can take it.

 

[sybarite]

Heres what I think.. I just really believe Sherri is really hard on Maddie cause she is trying to mold her into becoming great. I think that cause I don't see her being held to the same expectations as everyone else. Goiya had 6 turnovers and fouled out again- which, your trying to get her going again, so maybe you roll with it, I get that. But everyone else on the team had 3 to's, and Lenesia came in and did the same thing as Maddie--- they all came back and played. For me, It doesn't make sense not to play Maddie more against a zone, she is the best passer and she shoots 46% from 3- She can turn defense into offense so they can't set up. And she can play the high post. I just feel like she is trying to make her reach another level, and holds her to a higher standard that she has not met yet. Its a risk as a coach, but she must feel she can take it.

I that think cause one, I see we have a 6'2 guard that can move, run, pass, shoot, D-UP and play 4 positions. and no. 2, At some pt. as a women's basketball coach, you have to look around ask "Ok. why is Uconn so great?" X's and O's, yeah- but I've heard Sherri speak for years, she is very sharp so, I feel we have that. Great players/recruits, yeah- But as we have seen time and again, thats not all there is to it. The most important thing they have is those 12 players all push each other to get to the next level. They don't play, until they play perfectly. Maybe Sherri is catching on to that, and maybe she sees her youth and depth as an opportunity to ask more. EVERYONE from Tubbs to Me (The shameless blog poster ) sees her talent. They see the upside, and potential. And Sherri is ALWAYS- very- in tuned with the things going on around her-- she can't possibly be missing the things we see from Maddie. If I'm right, I just hope it works. If I am wrong, then I have no explanation why you yank a freshman with that much talent.

Just my take on the situation.

I think there is something to this. It is interesting that she would remark about the chemistry between Peyton and Maddie, that they just get it, and then bench Maddie for 39 minutes. I won't try to understand their relationship. I wonder if Maddie has one side that might bother Sherri. Against TCU, when Maddie went to the free throw lane late in the game, she was joking with the official and reached out to tap him on the arm, almost flirtatiously. Maddie was having fun, and I wonder if Sherri thinks she kids around too much. It's obvious that Maddie has fun on the floor, as well as on the bench. I've seen her apparently kid Sherri.

 

[MsProudSooner]

I think there is something to this. It is interesting that she would remark about the chemistry between Peyton and Maddie, that they just get it, and then bench Maddie for 39 minutes. I won't try to understand their relationship. I wonder if Maddie has one side that might bother Sherri. Against TCU, when Maddie went to the free throw lane late in the game, she was joking with the official and reached out to tap him on the arm, almost flirtatiously. Maddie was having fun, and I wonder if Sherri thinks she kids around too much. It's obvious that Maddie has fun on the floor, as well as on the bench. I've seen her apparently kid Sherri.

That reminds me of Courtney's first post OU/Texas press conference. She mentioned that she was happy that Erika Arrarian hit a 3 and Sherry looked at her like she'd grown a 3rd eye in the middle of her forehead.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

On Peyton. Why did she transfer? He doesn't seem like the kind of coach that would let a player like her get away.

 

[SoonerNorm]

If Maddie would have played as many minutes as Gabbi in conference play and if she maintained the same turnover ratio as she has now, she would have more than twice as many turnovers as Gabbi has. Not good.

As a coach, if you are trying to get the team to cut down on turnovers, you cannot tolerate 2 turnovers in 1 minute of play, especially from a reserve. Someone said Sherri was going to the bench on Maddie's second turnover before the ball landed out of bounds. I think any coach would have done the same thing.

The first thing Maddie has to do to stay in games is cut down on mistakes.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

If Maddie would have played as many minutes as Gabbi in conference play and if she maintained the same turnover ratio as she has now, she would have more than twice as many turnovers as Gabbi has. Not good.

As a coach, if you are trying to get the team to cut down on turnovers, you cannot tolerate 2 turnovers in 1 minute of play, especially from a reserve. Someone said Sherri was going to the bench on Maddie's second turnover before the ball landed out of bounds. I think any coach would have done the same thing.

The first thing Maddie has to do to stay in games is cut down on mistakes.

True but her two T/O were a spoonful in the ocean. There were plenty committing more that didn't get yanked. Of course I've never really been able to wrap around her teams consistantly tossing the ball away.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

If Maddie would have played as many minutes as Gabbi in conference play and if she maintained the same turnover ratio as she has now, she would have more than twice as many turnovers as Gabbi has. Not good.

As a coach, if you are trying to get the team to cut down on turnovers, you cannot tolerate 2 turnovers in 1 minute of play, especially from a reserve. Someone said Sherri was going to the bench on Maddie's second turnover before the ball landed out of bounds. I think any coach would have done the same thing.

The first thing Maddie has to do to stay in games is cut down on mistakes.

I completely agree. She needs to cut down on mistakes, and I think thats what Sherri is really asking from her.

We all have to admit though, not many players trying to make as many plays as Maddie by passing the ball. Most of the time Gabbi crosses half court, sets up the play- kicks it to guard- then gets bk on D when its over.

And of course, I gotta throw the variables at you Norm . That number you threw out there is assuming that she wouldn't tighten up if she played that many minutes, which I feel she would. And by that calculation, she also would be averaging 13 to gabbis 7 a game- if she played that much . And thats a number that probably rises if she's in the flow for longer stretches.... But she does need to tighten up, theres no question.

I just think that Sherri wants to be hard, and ask more from her. Tough Love.

 

[SoonerNorm]

True but her two T/O were a spoonful in the ocean. There were plenty committing more that didn't get yanked. Of course I've never really been able to wrap around her teams consistantly tossing the ball away.

I suspect if her two turnovers would have been spread out over 5 minutes or longer, Sherri might have reacted differently. We also don't know what discussions Sherri has had with Maddie lately about turnovers. I wouldn't be surprised if Sherri has been on Maddie during practice and she decided to send a message as soon as the 2 quick turnovers occurred.

 

[sybarite]

Most of Maddie's turnovers are made while trying to make something happen. A lot of our turnovers are just plain stupid, made from not paying attention. I have no idea why Sherri benched Maddie for something that LaNesia has done consistently for about fifteen games. Sharane commits at least two turnovers per game trying to dribble into traffic. It is interesting that she could do that last year, but she can't this year---at all. Gioya tends to make ill-advised passes in every game. Vivi and Kay Kay lose the ball twice per game trying to dribble, or even just pass it back out to a guard. But, Maddie's turnovers are a problem? Really?

Our five starters average 28.56 minutes per game. If Maddie were to average that, she would be averaging 11.15 points per game in conference play, fourth behind Peyton, Gioya, and Kaylon. She would have 4.35 rebounds, again fourth on the team. She would have 20.94 blocks, almost twice what anyone else has (Kay Kay has 11). She would have 15.23 steals, which would be third. So, statistics suggest that she does more than just turn it over.

As I said after the TCU game, I was becoming suspicious that I kept seeing Maddie charged with turnovers that she didn't make, nor not be credited with assists, or not get credit for blocks. So, I checked. I was correct. I haven't checked to see if the scorekeeper was that incorrect on everyone. But, I hardly think turnovers are that big of an issue with Maddie, compared to what she brings to the table.

When Maddie comes in, it is usually to replace either Sharane or Gioya. When Sharane is hitting a bunch of threes, I can see keeping Maddie on the bench. Usually, that isn't happening. When Gioya is going well, I can see keeping Maddie on the bench. Usually, that isn't happening all that much recently. But, Maddie is the insurance policy against failures by either. LaNesia needs a year on the bench, period.

We don't have anyone on the team that can disrupt the other team like Maddie can. She was a pain in the neck to TCU, blocking shots and passes. Peyton is good at steals. They kind of excel at defending the passing lanes. Maddie is further along than I thought she would be this year. I find negativity toward Maddie to be curious.

 

[rocjunkie]

On Peyton. Why did she transfer? He doesn't seem like the kind of coach that would let a player like her get away.

Peyton did not fit in with "gangsta" crowd at A&M. She was kind of an outcast so to speak because she really didn't have any thing in common with her team mates. I think Coach Blair is a class guy, and wanted the best for her, so gave her his blessing to transfer. She was and is good friends with Nicole and it came down to OU and A&M during her recruitment. I am glad she came here in the long run, I only hope Nicole can regain her focus and be more of a factor for this team, she has the talent, maybe she can get back the desire.

 

[sybarite]

Nicole isn't exactly gone. She gets her minutes, and she usually contributes a three. She is 7 for 18 in conference play, which is 38.9% from three. That isn't exactly a cripple.

I suspect that Nicole is a bit of a victim of a situation in which we have been trying to find fits this year. I think she was to have been the sixth man. Her defense has limited her more than her offense. When she is in the game, she at least tries to get rebounds, and seems to get tips if not rebounds.

I think we'll be a bit more defined next year, and Nicole may find a niche in which she can thrive for her senior year. We didn't even know who our scorers would be this year. Then, Gioya stepped up. When she receded, Peyton stepped up. Going into a game, I have little idea who will step up. I never would have thought Sharane would hit that many threes as she did against ISU. Nicole may inherit Sharane's position. Who are you going to put there? McKenna, Maddie? I don't think Sherri wants Maddie at a permanent four.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Most of Maddie's turnovers are made while trying to make something happen. A lot of our turnovers are just plain stupid, made from not paying attention. I have no idea why Sherri benched Maddie for something that LaNesia has done consistently for about fifteen games. Sharane commits at least two turnovers per game trying to dribble into traffic. It is interesting that she could do that last year, but she can't this year---at all. Gioya tends to make ill-advised passes in every game. Vivi and Kay Kay lose the ball twice per game trying to dribble, or even just pass it back out to a guard. But, Maddie's turnovers are a problem? Really?

Our five starters average 28.56 minutes per game. If Maddie were to average that, she would be averaging 11.15 points per game in conference play, fourth behind Peyton, Gioya, and Kaylon. She would have 4.35 rebounds, again fourth on the team. She would have 20.94 blocks, almost twice what anyone else has (Kay Kay has 11). She would have 15.23 steals, which would be third. So, statistics suggest that she does more than just turn it over.

As I said after the TCU game, I was becoming suspicious that I kept seeing Maddie charged with turnovers that she didn't make, nor not be credited with assists, or not get credit for blocks. So, I checked. I was correct. I haven't checked to see if the scorekeeper was that incorrect on everyone. But, I hardly think turnovers are that big of an issue with Maddie, compared to what she brings to the table.

When Maddie comes in, it is usually to replace either Sharane or Gioya. When Sharane is hitting a bunch of threes, I can see keeping Maddie on the bench. Usually, that isn't happening. When Gioya is going well, I can see keeping Maddie on the bench. Usually, that isn't happening all that much recently. But, Maddie is the insurance policy against failures by either. LaNesia needs a year on the bench, period.

We don't have anyone on the team that can disrupt the other team like Maddie can. She was a pain in the neck to TCU, blocking shots and passes. Peyton is good at steals. They kind of excel at defending the passing lanes. Maddie is further along than I thought she would be this year. I find negativity toward Maddie to be curious.

And obviously doubling stats is about as inexact of a science as there is-- I think she would score more than 11 a game if she played 30 per.

She is obviously held to much a higher standard than the other players. From Gabbi to Peyton- I have seen them make the exact mistakes that Maddie has made, and they haven't sat for 39 mins combined the entire season. But what do you do as a coach, when you have a player that is tough, and very, very, talented but, not quite there yet? That comes down to your philosophy. I do give credit to Coach Coale cause it appears, not everyone is coached the same. Some players are "nurtured" if need be, and some players "natured"- if need be. Maddie is being "Natured". That is what Geno does to his players. (Again, Stewart the prime example)

Another think to think about is, we are not beating the Huskies this year. Would you rather just give Maddie a position cause she is arguably our most talented player? Or would you rather make her become what she can be first, (like Stewart) and then she can win the position on her own? I'd choose the latter. For 8 straight months after the season she will have one thing on her mind and Im betting that won't be, lets party.

But, who knows. Maybe our coaches are just unworthy...

And maybe something did happen at Iowa State they didn't like? or at practice? She didn't sub until 3 mins left in the first half, which makes no sense- she had a pretty decent game at Iowa State from what I could tell. But whatever the case, IMO. there is a deeper level to this, she is too good- and this has happened more than once.

Pure Speculation, of course.

 

[sybarite]

Maybe she wouldn't give them the recipe for Pretzel salad.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Maybe she wouldn't give them the recipe for Pretzel salad.

lol at this pt, we can't rule out anything.

 

[womenssports]

Peyton did not fit in with "gangsta" crowd at A&M. She was kind of an outcast so to speak because she really didn't have any thing in common with her team mates. I think Coach Blair is a class guy, and wanted the best for her, so gave her his blessing to transfer. She was and is good friends with Nicole and it came down to OU and A&M during her recruitment. I am glad she came here in the long run, I only hope Nicole can regain her focus and be more of a factor for this team, she has the talent, maybe she can get back the desire.

You mean she was the only White player and did not feel comfortable.